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bulhead19
09-30-2011, 09:30 AM
I have a chance to buy a 2003 Ford F350 diesel for a good price. $8000 with 110,000 miles on it. Anyway I never owned a diesel before and am not to familiar with them. So my question is, Does anyone have experience with these engines? How do they hold up? Good power? hows the gas mileage? Thanks for any input I greatly appreciate it.

elitelawnteam1
09-30-2011, 10:05 AM
I'm actually looking into buying one as well. Diesels last longer than gas, their lifespan ranges between 300-400K miles, as far as fuel economy, I'm not good with the numbers, but diesel prices can be higher tha gas, or lower than gas. But diesels are slightly more efficient then a typical gas engine.

It seems like a good deal, maybe some others will chime in here eventually

does the f350 have duallys?

FryDaddy
09-30-2011, 10:07 AM
that's the first year of the 6 liter engine that a lot of people had problems with...
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bulhead19
09-30-2011, 10:09 AM
Yeah I heard they lasted for ever versus gas engines. It is not a dually. It is a regular cab 8ft box which around my areas are kinda tough to find because everyone keeps them. There is one small rust spot on fender (surface) and there is fresh brakes and tires on it. I have o drive out and see it this weekend so ill know then if its something good or not. But it does seem like a good deal..

dieseltech
09-30-2011, 10:11 AM
I have an 06 6.0. Alot of people will say they are junk but thats not true. They have their problems like all the other big names have or have had. The problem with these is the emissions equipment. Egr valve, egr cooler, and head bolts. I would recommend an egr cooler delete kit and a coolant filtration kit. Both can be had for around 400 bucks and are not a bad install. These will help in the fight against this motors flaws listed above. As long as you do not intend to hot rod the truck this should be a good truck with the small fixes above. If you do intend to add performance then look to spend another 2000 to 3000 if not more on head studs and new gaskets as well as the egr delete and coolant filter. i know im probably talking you out of it but they really are good trucks with proper maintenance they will last for a long time like the rest. Sounds like a good deal. A few things to have checked before hand are coolant condition. Look for the presence of fuel or water. This can be an indication of a blown head gasket. No biggie if you have an extra 2 grand to fix and upgrade and after the upgrade the 6.0 can be bullet proof.
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Mark Oomkes
09-30-2011, 10:23 AM
No biggie if you have an extra 2 grand to fix and upgrade and after the upgrade the 6.0 can be bullet proof.
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Bulletproof? That's a term I've never heard used in conjunction with the 6.0, rightfully so.

I have 3, they are the biggest POS diesel out there. Sure Cummins had a few issues as did Duramax, but nothing like the ongoing problems with the 6.0's.

I also have 3 7.3's and have had very, very few issues with them. All relatively inexpensive compared to the 6.0, and if not hotrodding, absolutely no mods needed to make them bulletproof.

My personal 350 has had 10 injectors now. Been using synthetic 5W40 for almost 3 years. Fuel from the same source the majority of the time. 2 turbo boots as well.

My 550 lost the fuel pump at a whopping 56K. Still has some bad injectors. And turbo boots replaced. In addition to the other assorted BS problems they have had.

Another 550 has had 3 turbos, EGR, I don't know how many injectors. If I plug in the EGR I can't even spin the tires in snow. Unplug and it's OK. Has turbo lag like you can't believe.

Why is it that I need to spend $2-5000 to make these bulletproof? Why are the Cummins, Duramax and 7.3's bulletproof without spending that much money? Sorry, but your reply in and of itself says that these engines are crap. If you need to do that much work to them to make them reliable, they aren't reliable.

dieseltech
09-30-2011, 10:32 AM
Obviously i never said they were reliable from the factory... My 06 has 85,000 on the clock now and i had issues in the beginning but after a couple grand like i said i can put a 250hp tune on it and run it like i stole it and havent had a problem since the upgrades. Just sayin. Sorry for your misfortunes. Cummins has terrible trans,and the 24v cummins vp44 injection pump/lift pump issues, duramax had huge injector issues, so what gives. I simply stated problems and easy fixes for those problems. Its out of warranty anyway so whats he got to loose by putting a few bucks in it to make it last at a decent price.
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With so many problems, why buy so many? Why not switch to a non"pos"?

josh_2562
09-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Bulletproof? That's a term I've never heard used in conjunction with the 6.0, rightfully so.

I have 3, they are the biggest POS diesel out there. Sure Cummins had a few issues as did Duramax, but nothing like the ongoing problems with the 6.0's.

I also have 3 7.3's and have had very, very few issues with them. All relatively inexpensive compared to the 6.0, and if not hotrodding, absolutely no mods needed to make them bulletproof.

My personal 350 has had 10 injectors now. Been using synthetic 5W40 for almost 3 years. Fuel from the same source the majority of the time. 2 turbo boots as well.

My 550 lost the fuel pump at a whopping 56K. Still has some bad injectors. And turbo boots replaced. In addition to the other assorted BS problems they have had.

Another 550 has had 3 turbos, EGR, I don't know how many injectors. If I plug in the EGR I can't even spin the tires in snow. Unplug and it's OK. Has turbo lag like you can't believe.

Why is it that I need to spend $2-5000 to make these bulletproof? Why are the Cummins, Duramax and 7.3's bulletproof without spending that much money? Sorry, but your reply in and of itself says that these engines are crap. If you need to do that much work to them to make them reliable, they aren't reliable.

How often do you change your oil and fuel filters. I have a 04 6.0 with 190,000 miles.I got the truck new. Put a egr delete on it at 8000 mile did away with the junk ford coolant. I have had a 140hp custom tune on it since 50,000 miles. I change my oil at 3,000 miles and my fuel filter also. I have never had any problems from the truck. It also has had 38" tires on it since 10,000 miles
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josh_2562
09-30-2011, 10:46 AM
How often do you change your oil and fuel filters. I have a 04 6.0 with 190,000 miles.I got the truck new. Put a egr delete on it at 8000 mile did away with the junk ford coolant. I have had a 140hp custom tune on it since 50,000 miles. I change my oil at 3,000 miles and my fuel filter also. I have never had any problems from the truck. It also has had 38" tires on it since 10,000 miles
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I also installed arp head studs at 50,000 miles.
For the op go to YouTube and there is a good video on every thing you should check on a 6.0 truck before buying one.
I get 16 mpg with a custom tune. Sct is the best tuner for a 6.0
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Mark Oomkes
09-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Obviously i never said they were reliable from the factory... My 06 has 85,000 on the clock now and i had issues in the beginning but after a couple grand like i said i can put a 250hp tune on it and run it like i stole it and havent had a problem since the upgrades. Just sayin. Sorry for your misfortunes. Cummins has terrible trans,

Sure, but for a few grand can be made bulletproof. Although we are talking engines, not transmissions.

But, if you would like, my '05 550 made it 500 miles before the tranny went out. My '04 made it to I don't remember exactly, but around 18K on it's first tranny. Then a year later the same thing happened. Those OEM snap rings are just awesome. Once I had shift kits and aftermarket snap rings installed on both of them, the problems went away. That's a total of 6 weeks lost production on 2 trucks in the middle of winter when I needed them the most.

My 350 has had a shudder when shifting into reverse since new. 1 out of about 50 shifts it feels like it is falling out. So yeah, Ford has transmission issues too.

duramax had huge injector issues, so what gives.

You're correct again, but only at the beginning. Not throughout their entire production life.

I simply stated problems and easy fixes for those problems.



Its out of warranty anyway so whats he got to loose by putting a few bucks in it to make it last at a decent price.
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With so many problems, why buy so many? Why not switch to a non"pos"?

I have 3 POS because 1 is an '04 the others are '05s. Bought relatively close together and before a lot of these ongoing problems were occurring. And that is the problem, these problems continue unless you do the upgrades. Between the 3 of them I have about 230K miles. Lost revenue and maintenance costs are way, way higher than the stock 7.3s. Duramaxes don't need upgrades once they figured out the injector problem. You can rebuild a Dodge tranny that will hold more HP than you can dream of and not have to worry about it.

I have yet to replace a single injector on one of my 7.3's or my Cummins or my Cat. 1 turbo on a 7.3 that shouldn't have needed it, but that's one out of 3 with over 360,000 miles between them. The Cummins had a turbo replaced because of oil leakage. That has over 100K on it. The Cat is getting leaky because of salt.

josh_2562
09-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Obviously i never said they were reliable from the factory... My 06 has 85,000 on the clock now and i had issues in the beginning but after a couple grand like i said i can put a 250hp tune on it and run it like i stole it and havent had a problem since the upgrades. Just sayin. Sorry for your misfortunes. Cummins has terrible trans,and the 24v cummins vp44 injection pump/lift pump issues, duramax had huge injector issues, so what gives. I simply stated problems and easy fixes for those problems. Its out of warranty anyway so whats he got to loose by putting a few bucks in it to make it last at a decent price.
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With so many problems, why buy so many? Why not switch to a non"pos"?
Where did you get a 250hp tune from for a 6.0?
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dieseltech
09-30-2011, 10:54 AM
Ive got a guy out of redding ca that writes custom tunes.
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32vld
09-30-2011, 11:04 AM
I have a chance to buy a 2003 Ford F350 diesel for a good price. $8000 with 110,000 miles on it. Anyway I never owned a diesel before and am not to familiar with them. So my question is, Does anyone have experience with these engines? How do they hold up? Good power? hows the gas mileage? Thanks for any input I greatly appreciate it.

With a diesel that has 300,000 miles left in it why is the guy selling it? Lemon? Owning a diesel was not what he expected?

By the way many gas engines today hit 250,000 to 300,000 miles.

How many people put 300,000 miles in ten years?

After that many miles pretty much everything is worn out and time for a new truck.

Diesel adds $8,000 - 10,000 to the price of a new truck.

Diesel fuel costs more, gets better mpg. Many have worked out that it would take 10 years to break even after the initial purchase price of getting a diesel instead of a gas engine.

Many people have found that after the diesel accelerates to 55 mph faster, the gas engine will also hit 55 mph, and that to pay $8 to 10g more is not worth it.

Most people pull trailers under 5,000lbs. Most people don't have to drive over the continental divide, and back in the 50's they still where making trucks with straight 6 cyl flat heads going over the rockies.

Is it that important that you can do 75 up a steep hill instead of losing speed to 65 on that same hill? The thirty seconds or minute at that speed is not going to effect the day in the end any important amount.

As a LCO how important is it to hold 75 going up a hill.

After all how often does a LCO go on an intestate to go from one lawn to the next?

Thing is are you needing a diesel or wanting a diesel?

How often are you pulling 12,000 lb trailers?

I see to many LCO's pull up to a house with a 3/4 pulling a 18' trailer just to mow a lawn. They pull off two mowers, a blower, a trimmer. That's a lot of stuff getting lugged around and not being used. Well all that stuff is getting used. The extra weight is putting extra wear and tear on the truck and trailer, and using more fuel.

And last but not least, gas is less expensive to repair.

For those that live and die diesel this is not an anti diesel piece. This is pointing out the questions that people do not ask themselves to figure out do they need a diesel. Are the putting on 100,000 miles a year. Are they pulling 10,000 lb loads everyday, once a week, 6 times a year, 6 times over 10 years, and are these loads pulled for 10 miles a day, 100 miles, 500 miles and up a day.

bulhead19
09-30-2011, 11:17 AM
@ 32vld

I am 20 years old and own a small business. I currently own a ford 150 six cylinder. i want to add snowplowing to my list of services. my ford is only 2 wheel drive and cant plow. I tow a 6x 12 open trailer with a couple mowers and trimmers and blowers on it. Sure i can get away with the 6 cylinder as i have for the past 2 years. But i need a 4x4 truck to plow with. I have $10,000 to spend on a truck. in my area, there is nothing but over priced junk. I will not pay 8 grand for a piece of **** that i have to throw a ton of money into just to keep going a little further. This truck is the first decent truck i have found. yes it is a diesel an no i never owned one. Some say diesel is the way to go over gas engines. for me i don't have any preference, i just want a good work truck that gets me around and does what i need it to do. thats the only reason why im considering buying this truck. if it is a lemon, well i will find out this weekend when i go to look at it.

josh_2562
09-30-2011, 12:21 PM
Where did you get a 250hp tune from for a 6.0?
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What kind of tuner do you use? Could you give me his info? I use idp out of Texas.
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dieseltech
09-30-2011, 12:59 PM
I use a custom 5 position. Ive got his info at home. I will get it as soon a i get a free minute brother.
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32vld
09-30-2011, 08:06 PM
@ 32vld

I am 20 years old and own a small business. I currently own a ford 150 six cylinder. i want to add snowplowing to my list of services. my ford is only 2 wheel drive and cant plow. I tow a 6x 12 open trailer with a couple mowers and trimmers and blowers on it. Sure i can get away with the 6 cylinder as i have for the past 2 years. But i need a 4x4 truck to plow with. I have $10,000 to spend on a truck. in my area, there is nothing but over priced junk. I will not pay 8 grand for a piece of **** that i have to throw a ton of money into just to keep going a little further. This truck is the first decent truck i have found. yes it is a diesel an no i never owned one. Some say diesel is the way to go over gas engines. for me i don't have any preference, i just want a good work truck that gets me around and does what i need it to do. thats the only reason why im considering buying this truck. if it is a lemon, well i will find out this weekend when i go to look at it.

I noticed you alreadt own a 350 so why buy another one?

32vld
09-30-2011, 08:27 PM
@ 32vld

I am 20 years old and own a small business. I currently own a ford 150 six cylinder. i want to add snowplowing to my list of services. my ford is only 2 wheel drive and cant plow. I tow a 6x 12 open trailer with a couple mowers and trimmers and blowers on it. Sure i can get away with the 6 cylinder as i have for the past 2 years. But i need a 4x4 truck to plow with. I have $10,000 to spend on a truck. in my area, there is nothing but over priced junk. I will not pay 8 grand for a piece of **** that i have to throw a ton of money into just to keep going a little further. This truck is the first decent truck i have found. yes it is a diesel an no i never owned one. Some say diesel is the way to go over gas engines. for me i don't have any preference, i just want a good work truck that gets me around and does what i need it to do. thats the only reason why im considering buying this truck. if it is a lemon, well i will find out this weekend when i go to look at it.

Add this because I could not edit the post I started.


I would not want to plow with a 2wd either. But being you are not driving it and will not abuse it you may get buy with a 1/2.

Are you doing shopping centers/malls and need a 10' with wings?

Then do you have money for the skid steer and bucket loaders to stack the snow?

It seems you are starting out and will do residential drives and small parking lots such as a gas station, deli, cleaners, etc. Then a 1/2 with a 8' can be a good starting point for small lots won't give you much room to manuver. Once you out grow the 1/2 you can park it as a back up, and get a bigger truck and plow. Or get an employee and run both trucks.

Also you avoided answering the questions as to whether you need a diesel.

Diesel's even used cost more money then a gas engine truck so if you don't need a diesel then your money will go farther going with a gas engine truck because you will get you a newer used truck with less mileage.

At 20, some people confuse the words need and want. Being you have shown no desire to list all the reasons why it makes dollars and sense to by a gas or diesel then you are showing that you are not thinking as a levelheaded businessman.

A level headed businessman would never think it doesn't matter when spending $10,000.

zak406
10-01-2011, 02:42 AM
get an oasis report, without it its like taking a test and not studying