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jfan
10-02-2011, 11:17 PM
I am currently a teacher/coach and have always said if I was to do anything else it woudl be in the landscape industry. well I thinks it may be time for me to do something else. I have been considering starting my own landscape business, I would like to jump in this spring and stop teaching in June and start it full time. Is it possible to start out this spring and by the end of august when my paycheck from my current job stops, be able to make a somewhat smooth transition financialy? I currently make just shy of 50,000 a year and bring home 3,400 monthly. Maybe Im crazy but I llive in a very populate area with housing develpment after development and very affluent neighborhoods.

Im not a high school kid or college kid just trying to make a buck If i was to do this it would be my livelyhood.

I would like to hear some financial stories of people just starting out. how much are you billing per month, how many yards were you able to get. How mutch did you have to hustle just to pay your bills. and how long did it take you to get to a good spot financialy?

If Im crazy please let me know??

THIESSENS TLC
10-02-2011, 11:38 PM
I am currently a teacher/coach and have always said if I was to do anything else it woudl be in the landscape industry. well I thinks it may be time for me to do something else. I have been considering starting my own landscape business, I would like to jump in this spring and stop teaching in June and start it full time. Is it possible to start out this spring and by the end of august when my paycheck from my current job stops, be able to make a somewhat smooth transition financialy? I currently make just shy of 50,000 a year and bring home 3,400 monthly. Maybe Im crazy but I llive in a very populate area with housing develpment after development and very affluent neighborhoods.

Im not a high school kid or college kid just trying to make a buck If i was to do this it would be my livelyhood.

I would like to hear some financial stories of people just starting out. how much are you billing per month, how many yards were you able to get. How mutch did you have to hustle just to pay your bills. and how long did it take you to get to a good spot financialy?

If Im crazy please let me know??

I think your crazy! if you are a "teacher" do you not get about 2 months off in the summer? Pension and benefits are probably a good thing! If I were you, I would stay a teacher and take up landscaping in the summer when your off. I'm sure you could do a few jobs in that amount of time. But thats just what i would do.

jfan
10-02-2011, 11:45 PM
I would agree with you if I were just a teacher, I am also a coach, I work on the low end 85 hours a week august-noveber during football season, and when track season starts in February, I do have some weekends off but still dont get home on most days untillaround 6:30 or 7. my "3"months off in the summer starts mid June and I work camps, streangth and conditioning (weight room duty) up untill we go back to work full time as football coaches around mid July.

I have thought about not coaching and just teaching and doing the landscape thing on the side to generate some additional income but would probably only amount to the extra money I make Coaching. Not to mention If im not coaching I really dont enjoy the classroom all that much.

lifetree
10-03-2011, 12:00 AM
The question yo're posing really boils down to where you are at in both life and in your career !! if you're at a point in life that you really can't stand working for someone else and your career point could allow you not to suffer financially then amybe a career change would be in order ... no one else but you can answer these questions. Good luck.

whosedog
10-03-2011, 12:12 AM
Give up a secure job with pension and benefits,paid sick days,vacation days in this economy;you would have to be nuts,especially in a drought stricken area like Texas.It would take years before you could build up the business to equal the income you now have.Your benefit and pension package could be worth 25+thousand on top of the 50G salary.Put your hat on and get out of the sun;I think you've get heat stroke.

jfan
10-03-2011, 12:35 AM
I figured this would be the general consensus, I am on my wifes health insurance? If you you were from TX you would understand that being a TX HS Football Coach is not a real secure job. Dont make the Playoffs, the Head Coach gets caned, The new guy comes in and cleans house so he can bring in his own staff and Im looking to pack up my fammily and find another coaching job somewhere in Texas (ive been coaching for 5 years and this has already happend once). This is the real reason for a change in career? My daughter is 3 and Im having trouble with the fact that who knows what town Ill be living in when or how many different schools she will be in. Dont get me wrong Im not complaining, Im quite thankfull for my job and steady income. But I dont know what else I could do but own my own landscape company if I wasnt going to be a football coach for the rest of my life. and Im starting to think that I dont want to be a football coach for the rest of my life.

Thanks for all your replies. LOL

newz7151
10-03-2011, 01:09 AM
Unless you can live off your wife's paycheck as well as her insurance, you'd be nuts right now.. unless of course you plan on selling and installing green rocks as the main part of your landscape business. With the long term Texas drought outlook, you're going to be trying to sell landscapes to customers that due to stage 5 water restrictions won't be able to water it at all.. so you better be selling alot of those green rocks.

coolluv
10-03-2011, 08:58 AM
I am currently a teacher/coach and have always said if I was to do anything else it woudl be in the landscape industry. well I thinks it may be time for me to do something else. I have been considering starting my own landscape business, I would like to jump in this spring and stop teaching in June and start it full time. Is it possible to start out this spring and by the end of august when my paycheck from my current job stops, be able to make a somewhat smooth transition financialy? I currently make just shy of 50,000 a year and bring home 3,400 monthly. Maybe Im crazy but I llive in a very populate area with housing develpment after development and very affluent neighborhoods.

Im not a high school kid or college kid just trying to make a buck If i was to do this it would be my livelyhood.

I would like to hear some financial stories of people just starting out. how much are you billing per month, how many yards were you able to get. How mutch did you have to hustle just to pay your bills. and how long did it take you to get to a good spot financialy?

If Im crazy please let me know??


Your Crazy!


I think everyone thinks this is an easy business, hell when I was like you I did too. I came here and read and read and read for months and hours and hours. I was totally consumed by it.

I ran the numbers and ran the numbers and thought man this is easy and the more yards I get the more I make. I have a guy that lives down the road from me and he was in business for 10 years at that time and I talked with him about the business for months.

Every time I saw him we would talk about his business and the LCO business in general. All seemed good and I thought why not.

Problem is most people lie about their business and this business in particular. Why, hell if I know. Maybe an ego thing.

I started this part time in 2006 and its one thing to be part time and able to buy things you need and put your earnings back into the company because you have the income of your regular job.

That is what I was able to do. I worked my full time job for 50 to 60 hours a week and on the weekend or after work I did my route. It was hard work but I thought this is not bad and I could do this on a regular basis.

That was right before the economy took the big dive. I thought I could get as many customers as I wanted. I had all the pipe dreams and misconceptions that every other new guy without a clue has.

Just count those lawns baby. If I have 10 I can make this much. If I have 20 I can make that much. Hell if I can get 50 I would really be in the $hit.

Well let me tell you from someone who is not going to lie to you. Its not that easy. The equipment is just the beginning. Advertising is what you better have money for and lots of it. Not $300 or $500 on some piece of $hit fliers.

I'm talking about thousands of dollars, and be prepared to run around on estimates that don't go anywhere. Be prepared to to spend that money for a little return. Be prepared to keep on spending money on advertising until you find what works and even then be prepared to spend a lot of money.

Your going to have thousands of guys with the same thought process and attitude that you have doing the same things but only on different scales. Be prepared for the Walmart mentality guys and the illegals working for peanuts and every Tom,Dick and Harry doing the same thing.

I looked around me and thought the same thing, look at all the new subdivisions around me and the high end ones at that. Let me tell you something, that doesn't mean $Hit. Every other newbie is thinking the same thing and those same places are going to be inundated with advertising as soon as February rolls around and the onslaught will continue well into June and July.

You will soon find out just how hard it is to get all those customers you dreamed about when you stood on the field or in your classroom looking out the window thinking if only I could.......

If you want this to be your main source of income and you don't want it to take years to get there then you better be able to spend big money on a lettered truck a website,company uniforms and advertising of all kinds. And be prepared to work your @$$ off for very little money after expenses. Prices have fallen off a cliff because of the current economic situation and the amount of new guys running into this thinking they found the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Dreams are nice but reality is a cold harsh #itch.

Don't mean to piss in your Cheerios but that is what you plan on getting into so just a fair warning from someone who will tell you the honest truth.

PS. Most on here are part timers or are retired or have wifes with good jobs so they can hang on and talk like things are great, and most will lie on here also. 1% on here are doing well with this business.

But they were here and had an established business long before the down turn in the economy. Don't believe the bull that gets thrown around on here daily. It will suck you in and you will find out the truth the hard way. If you think what I have to say is bull and you decide to jump in anyway, you better have 3 things. A lot of patience. A lot of money. And a very good marriage.

Dave...

stickleylawncare
10-03-2011, 10:58 AM
I would not want to quit a good job cold turkey and start a lawn business, but if you can go into it at first par time, you would have a much better idea if its right for you.. and if you can handle it financially. If you quit cold turkey and only get 1-2 yards the first month/year its going to be a really rough start, but one you could make it through if you had supplemental income.

Just because 95% of the people on this site say how bad it is and that if you start a lawn care company your first born will die, your house will burn down, and an immigrant will steal your wife; that is certainly not what I have experienced. I think some people are just full of piss and vinegar now matter what life sends their way. Sure its tough, but Id rather have the challenge of my own business, making my own money, instead of being a drone at some 9-5 job making someone else rich.

If you do decide to start out, good luck!

bmlawns
10-03-2011, 12:07 PM
part-time first,
I am a teacher also and started this for something to do in the summer. You can make enough to more than make up for your coaching money. I used to coach softball and it wasn't even close to what I make doing this part-time. It can be kind of hectic in the spring and fall trying to work around the weather and teaching to get all of your stuff done but it is worth it. Teaching is hard enough to get a job in so right now so if you fail you may not be able to get back into a school system. good luck with whatever you choose.

Florida Gardener
10-03-2011, 12:15 PM
I would not want to quit a good job cold turkey and start a lawn business, but if you can go into it at first par time, you would have a much better idea if its right for you.. and if you can handle it financially. If you quit cold turkey and only get 1-2 yards the first month/year its going to be a really rough start, but one you could make it through if you had supplemental income.

Just because 95% of the people on this site say how bad it is and that if you start a lawn care company your first born will die, your house will burn down, and an immigrant will steal your wife; that is certainly not what I have experienced. I think some people are just full of piss and vinegar now matter what life sends their way. Sure its tough, but Id rather have the challenge of my own business, making my own money, instead of being a drone at some 9-5 job making someone else rich.

If you do decide to start out, good luck!

Good advice here. I like your positive view. I started this business bc I enjoy it. I have a finance degree from a really good school, but I wanted to be my own boss and I like this biz. You have to work very hard, invest a lot back in the business, and do a great job. You won't need to advertise bc word of mouth will get you more biz. Another thing I will add is network with good people. I just picked up a $1,750 single residential account from networking in a very wealthy and affluent area here. Good luck with whatever you do.
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djagusch
10-03-2011, 12:33 PM
If your a teacher so you can coach that says enough right there. If you don't like being in the classroom quit right now. If you don't like that part of the job (the important part) then I don't want you teaching kids. There are many teachers out there that want to teach kids and enjoy the classroom. Quit wasting taxpayers dollars please.

As for the landscaping job. You have a cheap workforce (high school football kids) what you could bill out decently. But I don't know your market, I don't know your work ethic (85hrs a week sounds good but I would bet most landscape guys put in those hours throughout the summer, maybe not in the field but estimates, equipment maintainence etc), I don't know if you can sell (which is key). Most buisnesses fail are you willing to take that risk.

coolluv
10-03-2011, 02:07 PM
He said he makes $50,000 a year. How many of you guys net not gross. Let me repeat net not gross. $50,000 a year?

Dave...

jfan
10-03-2011, 03:53 PM
[QUOTE=djagusch;4176256]If your a teacher so you can coach that says enough right there. If you don't like being in the classroom quit right now. If you don't like that part of the job (the important part) then I don't want you teaching kids. There are many teachers out there that want to teach kids and enjoy the classroom. Quit wasting taxpayers dollars please.

First of all, Yes I am a teacher so I can Coach, Here in Texas we get hired and fired because of Coaching but typically Coaches are great teachers because of their ability to manage a classroom and build relationships with their students. No Coach is going to work 85-95 hours a week if they didnt care about kids. I take a tremendous amount or pride in everything I do, Dont attack my character. I work a ton of hours away from my fammily because I care about kids and owe it to them to give them the best chance to be succesfull on the field and in the clasroom. I could go on an on but im not going to waste my time defending myself to ignorance.

Thanks for taking the time to reply guys! It is truly apreciated. This is exactly what I was looking for (except for the crappy teacher comment, that was a tad bit uncalled for)

cle.lawn
10-03-2011, 03:58 PM
He said he makes $50,000 a year. How many of you guys net not gross. Let me repeat net not gross. $50,000 a year?

Dave...

Along with many other pieces of good advice. This is the bottom line, literally. I have been in business a couple years now and do not make this.

Talk with your wife, make sure she is on board. Then my suggestion for you, knowing only what you have said, is to quit coaching and start part time. See where it goes. You can always get back into coaching if it fails or you lose interest. And if it takes off then you are on your way and can maybe replace your teaching income when the time comes.

jfan
10-03-2011, 04:01 PM
Talk with your wife, make sure she is on board. Then my suggestion for you, knowing only what you have said, is to quit coaching and start part time. See where it goes. You can always get back into coaching if it fails or you lose interest. And if it takes off then you are on your way and can maybe replace your teaching income when the time comes.

Probably the most logical, and I have been seriously Leaning in this direction.

Thank You

coolluv
10-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Here is another thing that I learned. When your part time you have the luxury of being part time and not having to worry whether you fail or not and the money you earn can go right back into the business.

I was part time for 2 years and didn't need the money and was just trying it out to see if I liked it. I also wanted to see what it was like to run a small business.

So I did everything with that mind set. Its a whole other ball game to have to live off of this income. I was legit from the start because I wanted to make sure if it grew I would not have to look over my shoulder and I wanted to protect myself. I'm not a young kid with no assets and I didn't want something stupid to happen and lose what I worked for my whole life.

I started late at 40 years old and I had some experience from my teenage years. Ive always worked hard in construction and made it to a superintendent position and life was good. Then all hell broke loose and I found myself without a job and no prospects.

So I all ready had this going so I just went full time. Going full time allows you to fully concentrate on the business and that is what you will need to do if you want to make it. But it also is very scary and you have no life vest and your in the deep end of the pool now.

It will definitely motivate you that is for sure but it will also show you just how hard this business is. When you have to keep a roof over your head and pay the bills and put food on the table the reality sinks in quick.

There are companies that do well over a million dollars a year and the owner might take home $50,000 after its all said and done. Sure he has business assets but he also has business liabilities.

Everyone right now is doing whatever they can to pay the bills and lawn care is flooded with people trying to do the same thing. Some are legal but most are not and hell I can't blame anyone for trying to work and make money.

Thats not the point, the point is there are so many in this business that is has become so saturated that even the giant companies are just working to keep the crews busy. Meaning they are not making a profit they are just hanging on.

That is the reality not the fiction. It was hard enough to make a living in the go go spend and burn times. But now everyone is looking to get everything done on the cheap.

This is one of the few business that you cannot pass along rising cost. As expenses go up you have to eat it or lose the customer to the cheaper illegal. Gas goes up, mowers go up,oil goes up, maintenance cost go up but guess what doesn't go up? Your ability to charge more.

Profits were thin in the good times but now they are worse than ever especially when you have kids, firefighters, retired folks, people without jobs, illegals, school teachers etc. They can work cheap because its not their main source of income or they live 20 to a house.

Even the nice neighborhoods are no longer a safe haven. Down here you can drive through 600,000 neighborhoods that were once pristine and see foreclosed houses and ratty landscapes and people just hanging on afraid to open the mailbox or looking out the window waiting for the sheriff car to pull up.

Everything is on sale in this economy at basement prices. Go to the supermarket and see how they pass on the rise in costs. Hell you can't even afford a good steak now a days. They can get away with it because you have to eat, but people don't need lawn care.

Just my opinion. I used to make $75,000 a year in my job, company truck,401k 5 weeks vacation etc. Now I struggle to make ends meet and its not from a lack of trying. I spent over $5000 this year on advertising and the results were not that good and that is a drop in the bucket to what others spend.

Dave...

Glenn Lawn Care
10-03-2011, 04:53 PM
You are crazy!!! You have a stable 50k a year job and you wanna give that up to do back breaking landscaping.... I don't think crazy is the correct word!!

Florida Gardener
10-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Guys, not disagreeing with what a lot have said, I agree with a good portion of it. You have to understand that a successful business doesn't happen overnight. There are plenty of successful companies in my area, that aren't lowballers, but they have been in the game for at least 10 years, most closer to 20. The biggest misconception IMO is that you will just jump into the game and be a millionaire overnight. Talk to Azgardener here on lawnsite. He has 30 years experience in this biz and has had his biz for 10 if I'm not mistaken. He is my role model on lawnsite bc he does high end resi, which is what I'm doing. It takes many years to have a great company and awesome client base.
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DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
10-03-2011, 05:58 PM
Start small and stay debt free! This way when
You are ready to go for it whole hog you are most of the way there. Then all you have to do is worry about making the business end of it work. Good luck.
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coolluv
10-03-2011, 06:58 PM
Guys, not disagreeing with what a lot have said, I agree with a good portion of it. You have to understand that a successful business doesn't happen overnight. There are plenty of successful companies in my area, that aren't lowballers, but they have been in the game for at least 10 years, most closer to 20. The biggest misconception IMO is that you will just jump into the game and be a millionaire overnight. Talk to Azgardener here on lawnsite. He has 30 years experience in this biz and has had his biz for 10 if I'm not mistaken. He is my role model on lawnsite bc he does high end resi, which is what I'm doing. It takes many years to have a great company and awesome client base.
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Hey Diamond I agree. I'm just posting what is the reality of this business. You hit the nail on the head and its part of what I was saying that most of the established businesses that have been in the game for a long time are the ones that are making money and are able to hang on.

It takes a long time to build that good customer base. I'm not saying that you can't make a good living either, but it takes years. I think most come on here and think that in a year or two they will be making what they made at their regular job or more. I was naive myself. I knew it would take a while but I didn't realize how long or the challenges involved.

I think most come on here with unrealistic expectations of how hard the work is or how long it takes. Sure if you have deep pockets you can buy a few trucks, and equipment and advertise like crazy and in a year or two become a player in the game.

Ive seen it in my area. But I'm not talking about spending a few hundred on advertising or even a few thousand on advertising. I'm talking about companies that spent hundreds of thousands on equipment at start up and then spent 20 or 30 thousand a year on advertising and salesmen etc.

If you think your going to run out and buy a few mowers off of craigslist and then throw a few magnets on the truck and take over the world well then your sadly mistaken. That is what most that come here think.

It takes a solid business plan with company trucks and equipment and uniforms and websites etc etc etc.

If you want to supplement your income that is one thing. If you want to live on this that is another story all together.

I'm not arguing with you or anyone else, just stating the facts.

$50k net takes a lot of business to reach that point. $50k gross you can do in a few years but your net will be maybe $15k or less.

Good luck to the Op whatever he decides.

Dave.

BFLL
10-03-2011, 07:23 PM
Your Crazy!


I think everyone thinks this is an easy business, hell when I was like you I did too. I came here and read and read and read for months and hours and hours. I was totally consumed by it.

I ran the numbers and ran the numbers and thought man this is easy and the more yards I get the more I make. I have a guy that lives down the road from me and he was in business for 10 years at that time and I talked with him about the business for months.

Every time I saw him we would talk about his business and the LCO business in general. All seemed good and I thought why not.

Problem is most people lie about their business and this business in particular. Why, hell if I know. Maybe an ego thing.

I started this part time in 2006 and its one thing to be part time and able to buy things you need and put your earnings back into the company because you have the income of your regular job.

That is what I was able to do. I worked my full time job for 50 to 60 hours a week and on the weekend or after work I did my route. It was hard work but I thought this is not bad and I could do this on a regular basis.

That was right before the economy took the big dive. I thought I could get as many customers as I wanted. I had all the pipe dreams and misconceptions that every other new guy without a clue has.

Just count those lawns baby. If I have 10 I can make this much. If I have 20 I can make that much. Hell if I can get 50 I would really be in the $hit.

Well let me tell you from someone who is not going to lie to you. Its not that easy. The equipment is just the beginning. Advertising is what you better have money for and lots of it. Not $300 or $500 on some piece of $hit fliers.

I'm talking about thousands of dollars, and be prepared to run around on estimates that don't go anywhere. Be prepared to to spend that money for a little return. Be prepared to keep on spending money on advertising until you find what works and even then be prepared to spend a lot of money.

Your going to have thousands of guys with the same thought process and attitude that you have doing the same things but only on different scales. Be prepared for the Walmart mentality guys and the illegals working for peanuts and every Tom,Dick and Harry doing the same thing.

I looked around me and thought the same thing, look at all the new subdivisions around me and the high end ones at that. Let me tell you something, that doesn't mean $Hit. Every other newbie is thinking the same thing and those same places are going to be inundated with advertising as soon as February rolls around and the onslaught will continue well into June and July.

You will soon find out just how hard it is to get all those customers you dreamed about when you stood on the field or in your classroom looking out the window thinking if only I could.......

If you want this to be your main source of income and you don't want it to take years to get there then you better be able to spend big money on a lettered truck a website,company uniforms and advertising of all kinds. And be prepared to work your @$$ off for very little money after expenses. Prices have fallen off a cliff because of the current economic situation and the amount of new guys running into this thinking they found the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Dreams are nice but reality is a cold harsh #itch.

Don't mean to piss in your Cheerios but that is what you plan on getting into so just a fair warning from someone who will tell you the honest truth.

PS. Most on here are part timers or are retired or have wifes with good jobs so they can hang on and talk like things are great, and most will lie on here also. 1% on here are doing well with this business.

But they were here and had an established business long before the down turn in the economy. Don't believe the bull that gets thrown around on here daily. It will suck you in and you will find out the truth the hard way. If you think what I have to say is bull and you decide to jump in anyway, you better have 3 things. A lot of patience. A lot of money. And a very good marriage.

Dave...


Very Well Said...and very true!!

32vld
10-03-2011, 09:29 PM
I am currently a teacher/coach and have always said if I was to do anything else it woudl be in the landscape industry. well I thinks it may be time for me to do something else. I have been considering starting my own landscape business, I would like to jump in this spring and stop teaching in June and start it full time. Is it possible to start out this spring and by the end of august when my paycheck from my current job stops, be able to make a somewhat smooth transition financialy? I currently make just shy of 50,000 a year and bring home 3,400 monthly. Maybe Im crazy but I llive in a very populate area with housing develpment after development and very affluent neighborhoods.

Im not a high school kid or college kid just trying to make a buck If i was to do this it would be my livelyhood.

I would like to hear some financial stories of people just starting out. how much are you billing per month, how many yards were you able to get. How mutch did you have to hustle just to pay your bills. and how long did it take you to get to a good spot financialy?

If Im crazy please let me know??

You left out how old are you and how many years you have in the pension system. Without that info no one can give advice if it would be better to teach or mow grass. Also left out where you are on the pay scale, where it tops off at, and how many more years for you to reach it.

Those that can't teach mow grass. I just coined a new phrase.

Next I don't understand how you can get fired and be moved from school to school every few years when Texas has tenure for teachers.

It seems you place more importance on coaching HS football then being a teacher.

Most teachers teach because that's what they want to do. Coaching is viewed as a bounus.

It appears you are opposite and rather have the steak sauce instead of the steak.

In NY most school coaches get an extra $4000 to $8000 a season to coach a sport.

I taught for 13 years, have 15 years in the pension system and past I'm 55. Thing is I would go back to teaching tomorrow because there is no way I would make the money mowing as I could teaching. Teachers work 40 weeks a year, 180 days. Many get done by 2:30 PM. Plenty of time to do and build a landscape/snow removale business to have when retirement comes.

Matter of fact give up coaching and doing landscaping after school will make you more money and take less time then you now spend coaching.

GravelyWoman
10-03-2011, 10:22 PM
Start small and stay debt free! This way when
You are ready to go for it whole hog you are most of the way there. Then all you have to do is worry about making the business end of it work. Good luck.
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Amen!! STAY DEBT FREE!!! Any extra money put it back into your company! After buying my zero turn, blowers and other hand helds, I added an Echo Bedredfiner. This one piece of equipment paid for itself within 7 days of purchasing it....I pushed this one service of "recutting" flowerbeds at $1.00 per ft. People love this service! Find other services that you can "up sell" so that you can make extra monies on top of the the regular lawn maintenance.
Find your "niche" and separate your company from other "mow, blow and go's". If you do this and serve up great customer service....the sky is the limit!
I became "legal" licensed and insured this year. I am still working 32 hours per
week and then work my company after I get off and on Fridays & Saturdays.
Stay with your job at least two good years and by this time you should have a great feel for how and where you want your company to go. Build a business plan and stick to it....
I wish you the best of luck and please reach out if you have any questions!

Gravely Woman :)

masonenterprises
10-04-2011, 07:10 PM
Its definitely a tough go at it these days, but stay part time for a few years and invest money correctly. I dont agree that debt is bad. There is such a thing as good debt and bad debt. Know what you need, and what will make a good ROI. Also try to subsidize income by doing something else. Scrap metal, a paper route. Whatever it may be. The extra income can be nice if you need it. I started off with 2 lawn accounts. But my big focus was on lawn expansions and design work. I had a good network of people and good access to borrow equipment when needed. Give it 110%.