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Terry Metro Lawn
11-02-2011, 12:21 PM
FYI:
http://www.forconstructionpros.com/article/10362939/beware-of-e15
rlitman
11-02-2011, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about it (that is, about being forced into buying it, not about using it; Ethanol sucks, period).
For one thing, many states force or limit the amount of ethanol in fuel.
Around here it's E10, or nothing (E85 is allowed, but that's a different story).
But the big reason this isn't a concern is more about logistics.
The infrastructure of gas stations limits what they can sell.
At one time, stations had tanks for regular, super, midgrade, diesel, etc., and each pump, pumped from each tank.
Nowadays, most stations have tanks for regular and super, and the pumps blend the fuel into the octane that the customer selected.
Still, all of those fuels are pre-blended with ethanol, so in order to sell E15, they would either have to give up selling E10, (and gas stations aren't going to stop selling to cars from 2000 or older; that's probably a quarter of their sales), or install several new tanks and pumping islands (i.e. tear the place down and rebuild) before they could sell both.
I suppose there might be a day where ethanol is blended right at the pump, but if stations ever get that capability, they would probably have a button to let you buy E10, E15, E85, or even E0 (except around here, where E0 is not allowed by law), so I don't see how we would be forced into buying E15, but I agree with you, in that the less ethanol, the better.
A+Grounds
11-02-2011, 06:43 PM
ethanol is liquid evil for engines
Terry Metro Lawn
11-02-2011, 09:24 PM
ethanol is liquid evil for engines
Especially the carbs.
DA Quality Lawn & YS
01-23-2012, 11:44 PM
ethanol is liquid evil for engines
Then small engine manufacturers need to get off their buns and design more up to date engines. Why do they just get to do the same ol thing they have been doing for years, burning foreign oil petro? The fuels industry is diversifying, so engine makers better get to the party.
Terry Metro Lawn
01-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Then small engine manufacturers need to get off their buns and design more up to date engines. Why do they just get to do the same ol thing they have been doing for years, burning foreign oil petro? The fuels industry is diversifying, so engine makers better get to the party.
Actually Kawasaki is producing an ethanol engine. It still has it's flaws though. Hard starting in cold weather is one, 20% less economy is another.
It's a start...
doyles
01-29-2012, 09:17 AM
what do the engine builders care they sell you a new engine and as some as it brakes thy say its because of the ethanol and the repairs come out of your pocket
DA Quality Lawn & YS
01-29-2012, 11:03 PM
what do the engine builders care they sell you a new engine and as some as it brakes thy say its because of the ethanol and the repairs come out of your pocket
cop out if you ask me. Cmon engine manufacturers you can do better than this.
business is business. build cheap and make more profit (or at least cut costs)... what do they care about longevity. that attitude is far worse in the residential engines i work on now though.
always run an ethanol fuel stabilizer in your small equipment.
doyles
01-30-2012, 09:27 PM
TGM
there's so many ethanol stabilizers what one do you recommend
also the one you recommend does it have a fuel antifreeze for the winter
thank you
most brands seem ok so long as it says it treats ethanol issues. star-tron at home depot is good for the money. run 1oz for every 3-5 gallons. it's not much $, especially when it comes to the 2 stroke stuff.
Cutter1
02-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Ethanol is a fuel pump killer!!
Patriot Services
02-03-2012, 09:33 AM
This is not new technology. Alcohol compatible systems have been around for years in the racing community. Alky engines can run much higher compression ratios that help restore the economy. The problem comes in finding mix oil that won't seperate out.:usflag:
This is not new technology. Alcohol compatible systems have been around for years in the racing community. Alky engines can run much higher compression ratios that help restore the economy.
Very true but racing engines are designed to run on ethanol from the ground up and they aren't used by soccer moms to take their kids to school. I doubt that this Country could produce enough ethanol to fuel a 100% ethanol population anyway.
Patriot Services
02-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Very true but racing engines are designed to run on ethanol from the ground up and they aren't used by soccer moms to take their kids to school. I doubt that this Country could produce enough ethanol to fuel a 100% ethanol population anyway.
I ran a 468 BBC in the 80's. The only changes I made were a fuel cell, s/s lines, holley pump and carb. I drove 30 miles to the track, raced and came home. 100% alcohol production is not realistic. My point was the tech to resist alky blends already exists. They have better lines now but some carb parts still need work.
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My point was the tech to resist alky blends already exists. They have better lines now but some carb parts still need work.
Like I said before, producing ethanol compatible fuel system components is not the problem. Using ethanol is. Two big problems are cold weather starting and water absorption. Neither would be a problem with racing but they make ethanol unrealistic for normal vehicles.
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