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vtscaper
11-06-2011, 08:42 PM
We are going to be purchasing a heavier truck. We have an f-350 diesel dump which is great but needs to be put on lighter duty. The new truck will do most of the heavy material hauling for our landscape/masonry business as well as equipment moving etc. All of our other trucks are fords and they have kept us happy for the most part so when thinking of a newer heavier (at least 19k gvw) truck is automatically thought f 550. But recently I have also been looking at the international terra star which is a solid medium duty truck for just a tad more than a 550.

I just wanted to get some feedback from others out there that have medium duty trucks. Mits, ford, freightliner whatever and hear what you have to say.

Does any one specifically own a new terra star with the max force engine?

Marek
11-07-2011, 08:36 AM
The Terre star will have the same 6.4 that ford used to have in thier trucks. That right there is a hudge turn off. Right now Ford and Dodge have a ton of rebates. The Dodge 4500 - 5500 chassis look nice too,you may want to take a look at them.

4 seasons lawn&land
11-07-2011, 06:14 PM
the 6.4 is supposed to be a good engine but a pig on fuel...

tnmtn
11-07-2011, 07:57 PM
the terrastar seems to be the closest thing to a replacement for the Gm medium duties. same tranny. similar body and size. in my opinion i would look for a used low mile GM. similar truck with what in my opinion is a much better engine.

SNAPPER MAN
11-07-2011, 11:14 PM
I would take a step up to a durastar 4300.
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BrandonV
11-08-2011, 03:31 PM
F750 or 650
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EA Quinn
11-08-2011, 04:29 PM
We too are in the same boat. We just demoe'd a terrastar yesterday and I think we are going to go with this over the F550. For us we felt the added little bit of payload and a bit beefier truck overcame the fact of needing 4x4 with the f550. The terrastar with a plow and sander loaded shouldn't really need 4x4. We are still on the fence about the new ford diesels and don't hear many good thinngs. The terrastar diesel is apparently internationals own diesel and we have had good luck with our other three internationals and it looks a hell of a lot easier to work on. Let us know what you decide. I am awaiting final numbers on the truck we are spec'ing. Perhaps we should compare?

Marek
11-08-2011, 04:47 PM
What are you hearing on the new fords ? Is what you are hearing coming from people you know or stuff you are reading ? My ford tech has only seen two come back so far but I need to figure out now if I should dump my 6.0 truck and go to a new 6.7 or buy another duramax. This will just be my personal work truck other wise I would just buy a gas truck for the guys as my crews dont really rack up alot of miles per year.

supercuts
11-08-2011, 08:32 PM
What are you hearing on the new fords ? Is what you are hearing coming from people you know or stuff you are reading ? My ford tech has only seen two come back so far but I need to figure out now if I should dump my 6.0 truck and go to a new 6.7 or buy another duramax. This will just be my personal work truck other wise I would just buy a gas truck for the guys as my crews dont really rack up alot of miles per year.

when i looked at new trucks in 06-07 ford guys said the 6.0 was great. when i bougth my 08 with the 6.4 the ford guys said they are great. now the ford guys say the suck and i had to go through the lemon law with mine. stay away form the 6.4 unless you chip and dpf delete it. they smoke like crazy and mine is almost always in regen

not to mention...ford cannot even put a fuel tank in a commerical truck without it delaminating. im on my 3rd in my f550. nothing like replacing sending units, fuel pumps, injectors, a $980 fuel tank, etc all because after 100 years ford cant get it right and blame in on fuel. well now that they know there is bad fuel why cant they correct my replacement tanks?

Marek
11-08-2011, 09:03 PM
Supercuts
They have a new poly tank out now in the aftermarket . Ford has metal problems, look at the oil pan problems or brake lines that rust out , same goes for the trans oil cooler lines. I would not buy a international terrastar simply due to the problems I have had and seen with the 6.0 and 6.4 ford trucks.Having a tilt front end would be a nice to have. Does International have a better fuel filtration system than the ford ? How about brakes are the terrastar brakes larger ? If we were to buy an International it would be one with the DT466.

EA Quinn
11-09-2011, 10:33 AM
I have heard they have a lot of issues with the EGR and turbo on the newer ford trucks. Just about any work requires unbolting the cab to even work on the motor. We just got our price quote on the terrastar. It is as follows:

2012 Terrastar 4x2 SFA TA005
wheelbase 158"
(pretty much a base model, no chrome etc.) $42,626.00

Body: Galion with fold down sides 125"
18" high sides
4 cubic yard water level
includes towing plate and d rings $7,850.00

bobcat_ron
11-09-2011, 10:48 AM
My brother's 2008 F550 is a pig on fuel, I drove a total of 150 kms loaded with a 18,000 load all day and it went though 3/4 of a tank, not good if you ask me. Another big turn off with any diesel engine other than a Cummins or Duramax is the lack of a real engine brake, the Fords put too much reliance on the foundation brakes and the tachometer just buries itself when descending a 7 percent grade from 70 km/h.
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ProTouch Groundscapes
11-10-2011, 08:48 PM
sure is nice getting 20mpg hand calc'd on my 6.4.

and we have had issues with oil pans and rusted brake lines on our chevys as well.

ClassicLawnCareInc
11-13-2011, 09:46 PM
I havent had any problems with my Fords. I have 4 of them problem free so far. I love my f-450 esp. We use it every day.

vtscaper
11-15-2011, 09:03 PM
we run all fords now and currently have for diesels the 7.3, 6.4, and 6.7. 7.3 is just an unstoppable beast, super reliable and not bad on fuel. no real issues with the 6.4 decent power but horrible on fuel. the 6.7 has been great so far..only 16k on it. nice power and waaaay better than 6.4 on fuel. it pulls 10k all day long without flinching.

i just feel that for basically the same money you are getting way more truck with the terra star. losing some veratility and ride comfort but overall much beefier truck..

still havent slowed down long enough yet to really crunch things..

vtscaper
11-15-2011, 09:16 PM
I have heard they have a lot of issues with the EGR and turbo on the newer ford trucks. Just about any work requires unbolting the cab to even work on the motor. We just got our price quote on the terrastar. It is as follows:

2012 Terrastar 4x2 SFA TA005
wheelbase 158"
(pretty much a base model, no chrome etc.) $42,626.00

Body: Galion with fold down sides 125"
18" high sides
4 cubic yard water level
includes towing plate and d rings $7,850.00

these seem like great prices compared to what we got...

basically base model with the 185" wheel base is 45,100

iroquois dump 10' with drop down 15" sides is 10,900

iroquois manufacturing is local and are a great company but tend to be a bit high..

do you have a 550 now?

zabmasonry
11-16-2011, 12:06 AM
Having no person experience with the terra-star I can't give any judgement. I saw today that landshapes has one spec'd pretty similar to what you're talking about. I know they're the competition, but I'd ask for their input anyways.

I will say that If I were buying a single axle dump - I'd look for something on a bit heavier chassis, with air brakes and a beefier transmission, and sacrifice age for price. I also just don't trust the newer diesels, particularly when they seem to be pushing the engines right to their max.

Swampy
11-16-2011, 01:13 AM
My brother's 2008 F550 is a pig on fuel, I drove a total of 150 kms loaded with a 18,000 load all day and it went though 3/4 of a tank, not good if you ask me. Another big turn off with any diesel engine other than a Cummins or Duramax is the lack of a real engine brake, the Fords put too much reliance on the foundation brakes and the tachometer just buries itself when descending a 7 percent grade from 70 km/h.
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Old boss had a 4x4 2000 7.3 F550, that thing was a pig plowing. with the hubs locked in high the trip meter was about 140miles = starving for fuel empty. It was scay going down hill pulling a Toro 580D when the trailer brakes stopped working and the truck couldn't stop, take off was even worse pulling the same load. I came up with a theroy on the 7.3 in a F450 or lower its great anything else its a gutless pig.

And its reablity is another thing but I'm sure it was just this truck, cause he had other 7.3's in a 350, and F-SuperDuty that where perfect.

EA Quinn
11-16-2011, 07:06 AM
these seem like great prices compared to what we got...

basically base model with the 185" wheel base is 45,100

iroquois dump 10' with drop down 15" sides is 10,900

iroquois manufacturing is local and are a great company but tend to be a bit high..

do you have a 550 now?

Yes, we do have a f550 already. We also have a IH 4300 with fold down sides like we are spec'ing. We did get some pricing on the durastar, but the extra payload for the money really wasn't worth it. I think we are going to end up going with the terrastar.

vtscaper
11-18-2011, 09:45 PM
Yes, we do have a f550 already. We also have a IH 4300 with fold down sides like we are spec'ing. We did get some pricing on the durastar, but the extra payload for the money really wasn't worth it. I think we are going to end up going with the terrastar.

yeah the dura star is nice but in no way worth the extra 15K or more.

tell me why you arent buying another 19,500 gvw 550 instead. why does a company of your size need this in between size truck?

just curious

EA Quinn
11-19-2011, 07:33 AM
yeah the dura star is nice but in no way worth the extra 15K or more.

tell me why you arent buying another 19,500 gvw 550 instead. why does a company of your size need this in between size truck?

just curious


I am not sure what pricing you recieved, but the price difference from a f550 to a terrastar is only 5k? For us payload is key. We pretty much have a vehicle in all weight classes but it would be nice to have the terrrastar because it would be in the middle weight class for us, but anytime we can get extra payload it counts. We do a lot of hardscape and construction work, so we haul a lot of brick, process etc.

DieselHolic
11-24-2011, 12:31 AM
the 6.4 is supposed to be a good engine but a pig on fuel...

4" with all the deletes, and a tuner. Powerful, reliable, fuel friendly work truck.
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