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PAPS
11-15-2002, 09:19 PM
For some time now I have been using MK 12'' diamond blades on our Parnter 700. I cannot begin to tell you how many blades I have gone through this year. (since April), I would speculate about 12-15 easy. Can someone please recommend a blade that is going to last me some time... I use the MK because a local supplier stocks them, so if someone here can steer me in a better direction that would be great. We use our saw every-day and do mainly pavers/wall block cutting with some concrete every once and awhile. I dont mind spending the money on a more expensive blade, no just tell me what the best is - thanks

paul
11-15-2002, 10:04 PM
Try this thread, http://207.44.158.62/~admin2/showthread.php?threadid=19511&highlight=blade

stoneseller
11-16-2002, 10:14 AM
I agree with what others said in the referenced thread about using only top quality blades.
I have been cutting stone since 1973, & have done a lot of experimentation with different manufacturers & grades of blade.
I will use nothing but the "premium" or top of the line blades in my shop.
We do most of our sawing on large table saws with wet blades made specifically for the stone we are sawing.
Dry blades are a bit harder to choose. Many people want a "do everything" blade. There are many "general purpose" dry blades out there. I sell blades from several manufacturers, & will list my opinions.

For sawing stone with small diameter blades, 4" - 7", my choice is the "Alpha Plus". It is a turbo style blade which cuts very freely in a wide range of stone types. This is what we use on our small hand saws.

For sawing pavers & stone with a 7" saw, look at the Hilti DC-D 7" G.P. blade, Hilti item No. 00315464. We started selling these about 3 years ago, & they outsell all our other brands almost ten to one.

For Demo saws, Hilti has a relatively new blade, the DS-B 12" or DS-B 14", which is also a G.P dry blade. They cut very agrresively thru a wide range of materials, & last a very long time. I don't sell a lot of them, as they are quite expensive. The customers who have bought them keep coming back every 6 months or so, & buying another.

For a great selection of both G.P. & type specific blades, look into the Diamond Products Core Cut blades. http:\www.diamondproducts.com
We sell a lot of their 'Economy Green' series to contractors who don't want to spend a lot on a blade. For folks who are willing to pay for a better blade, there is a middle grade 'Heavy Duty Orange' series, which are comparable to many manufacturer's premium grades. I would recommend the "H8H" spec for sawing mostly concrete pavers.
They also have a nice "semi turbo" style blade, called the "High Performance Turbo" series. These are segmented blades, with some slots incorporated into the segments, which makes for a very fast aggresive cut. We sell quite a few of the HPT7H in this series, in 7", 12", & 14".

Above all, remember that you get what you pay for. We sell the cheapest 12" Corecut for $150.00 (list price $185.00), & the more expensive Hilti's & Corecuts in the $350.00 to $375.00 range.

HTH, David

Stonehenge
11-16-2002, 10:25 AM
I'm going to tell you tha name of a mfg NOT to use. I believe it's RBI.

The blades are OK, and the price is OK. Neither one is that great. I didn't like that they didn't have a spec sheet or catalog for me to review, but if the blade was great, I'd go with it.

But like I said, it wasn't outstanding.

The thing that made me furious was for the rest of the season I would get calls from this place, people wanting to confirm the blade order I just made. The thing was, I didn't make any of the rest of the orders. Either the company was hoping that I forgot, or the rep was being underhanded. In either case I had to make multiple calls of the year to their offices to get them to forever take me off of their calling lists.

Oh yeah, and the goofball sales rep would page me, too. The clerical person would not forward my message to the rep when I returned the page, when I told her that if this rep called again I'd visit their office and personally strangle the rep. :mad:

kris
11-16-2002, 11:31 AM
Paps... if youíre using 15 blades in a season something is wrong!

I am not familiar with the blade your using but either it is really cheap or they are being abused.... binding the blade when cutting or using it on materials you shouldn't. We never use a diamond blade on any poured concrete we may have to cut. Opting for the disposable for those jobs. Concrete may have many large stone pieces or RE-Bar.... Chew a $400 dollar blade up in a hurry.

steveair
11-16-2002, 02:31 PM
Hello,

I will have to add my 'ebay' purchases to this story (as you would all come to expect!)

I was using all partner blades....the economy, the elites, etc. Good blades, but I never really got 'incredible' life out of any of them, no matter what grade/quality.

Now, I'm going the 'disposable' blade route. Maybe you don't have time, but I've been buying blades on ebay for quite some time..

I will say this, I don't know who makes them, or what 'they' mean when they say they are 'premium' blades, but I know that they are cheap.

If you log on, you can usually put about 10 bids on 10 different items and win a few 12" and 14" blades from anywhere in the $35-$55 dollar range.

Overall, I'll say the blades aren't that bad at all......I will be willing to say they are just as good as the partner economy blades, which will run me around $125-$175.

For the same price as a cheap partner blade, I can get 3 'ebay' blades.......and will say I get a lot more use out of the 3 than the 1. Also, for the price of one 'elite' partner blade, I may be able to get 6,7, maybe even 8 'ebay' blades...........if you do the math, you end up getting more for you money.

The only downfall is yes, you have to change blades more often, but not really a big deal.

Also, been able to get big 16" blades now for under $100. A nice thing to have when you need to make that occasional deep saw cut.

They may not be the best, but they seem to work.

Plus, it gives me somethig to do on rainy days!

steve

SCL
11-17-2002, 10:50 AM
I've been using the e-bay blades from a vendor called "sunsunsun" usually getting 12" for under $70 and 14" fro under $85. They don't set the world on fire but last every bit as long as the $150-$200 blades from Dimond Blade Warehouse. On my last wet saw blade another vendor, whom I still deal with , sold me a premium 10" blade saying I'd get 40% more life for my extra $50. I let them know that they were wrong. Lasted about as long as my GP blades at $100. There's also some dealers in the trade mags. Hope this helps.
Scott

PAPS
11-17-2002, 11:38 AM
I just bought (2) 12'' blades from a guy on Ebay called MydealsDirect, for $57.00 with the shipping. I figured I'd give it a shot for a mere $57.00 it can't be too bad. If each blade last me 2 weeks, it will be just as good as the $160.00 MK blades i been buying, but now atleast I am only paying $26.50 a pop.

MJ LANDSCAPING
11-17-2002, 11:54 AM
Hey Paps,

I used the Mk blades and I agree that they disappear very fast. A friend turned me onto a new blade. They are called Diamond Back blades. I get them from a supplier in central NJ called CRIS SUPPLIES ALLENTOWN, NJ 08501 (609) 484-2798. Give them a try I thing you will be more than happy. I use the 10" on my paver saw and 14" on my Stihl saw. I have nothing but good things to say about these blades.

steveair
11-17-2002, 03:53 PM
Some interesting Info I thought I'd share with you all..........lol.


I got a MK order catalog at the beginning of the year.

In case you MIGHT be wondering, here are some prices....


MK10S / 30S / 50S 14" list......478 supplier........$150

MK304D 12" list......371 supplier........$64

Mk304D 14" list......470 supplier.......$82

Mk101 (10" wet saw) list .....1065 supplier.......$640(with stand


Just a few of the prices......(list is suggested retail price, so probably is higher than what selling price is, but with some of the crooks around me, not necessarily)

Not for nothing, but diamond blades have HUGE markups! I gasp when I have to pay the prices these guys are asking for them......

As stoneseller mentions, he sells blades that list for 185 for 150.........I know he won't admit it, but I bet that blade costs him about $45! I only wish I could markup like that on plant material!

But, as with most of the 'trade tools' we buy, we get hammered on the price, so why would we expect anything else.

I definetely feel the 'ebay' route can substantially cut out the middle men and get you a decent blade for a 1/4 the price.

The internet is a beutiful thing! In case your interested, one guy has had K650's for sale, new in box, going anywhere in the range of 400 to 600.......they go for 800 in stores(even 800 on alamia.com......I've picked up two for the price of one!

steve

Stonehenge
11-17-2002, 06:24 PM
Really? Who's selling new K650's for that price?

steveair
11-17-2002, 10:52 PM
Stone...

I kind of hate to let people in, because now the prices will be going up...

but I've got 2 of them , so I really don't need any more!

Go to ebay, keyword 'partner saw' .....(Don't put the word 'concrete' in there.......its one of those little tricks you have to do.....it seems everyone else does searches for 'concrete saw' so anything listed with the word concrete ends up going for a lot more money because a lot more people see it)

The guy is out of pittsburg. For about 5 months, he has been selling brand new, in the box, K650 with a starting bid around 300. I won one 4 months ago for only 400 bucks and another last month for 535 bucks......sweet deals!

Most of the time, they go for under $600.

Here's one you just missed out on!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2071799460&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1

Even with shipping, you save big over any supplier out there.

Also, there's been quite a few people selling complete tub saw sets (blade, saw, stand) for under 800......another good deal if you are interested, and they aren't no name brans, mainly MK 101's.....


steve

SCL
11-18-2002, 09:16 AM
... and Steve let's the cat out of the bag:rolleyes:

Stonehenge
11-18-2002, 09:27 AM
Sweet!

Thanks for the info - looks like he doesn't have any for sale right now, but I'll keep an eye on it.

stoneseller
11-19-2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by steveair


As stoneseller mentions, he sells blades that list for 185 for 150.........I know he won't admit it, but I bet that blade costs him about $45! I only wish I could markup like that on plant material!

steve

Actually, they cost me $87.96 plus freight.
40% to 50% dealer discount is about typical from the major manufacturers.

A word of warning to folks praising those supercheap Ebay, etc blades.
Have you ever seen what can happen to someone's eye or other body part when a segment flys off a blade spinning at over 3000 rpm? Not a pretty sight!
Wear goggles or preferably a face shield.
David

dan deutekom
11-19-2002, 02:21 PM
I have had a blade lose a segment and it amazed me how far the pieces fly and how hard they hit things. If one of these were to hit you even safety glasses wouldn't help! This wasn't a cheap blade (almost $400.00) but it was defective. Manufacture replaced it no charge. Wear your safety gear and keep gaurds in place/