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A1 Grass
11-18-2002, 06:09 PM
First of all AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!

I am new to this game and I discover new things every day. For instance, in Texas we need a license for just about everything I guess. I found out I need a license if I am going to occasionally spray weed killer. This invloves a LOT of training and fees of course - I DON'T WANNA BE A POISON SPECIALIST!!

Does anyone know of or have any luck with natural or non-herbicidal weed killers, etc?

Honestly I'd prefer to NOT use poisons if possible, and no I haven't forgotten about digging up weeds. HELP HELP HELP.....

thanks

f350
11-18-2002, 07:12 PM
what does applying pesticides have to do with poison? do you use gasoline? thats a poison.... basically no there is no such thing as an organic pesticide... looks like your digging weeds.



get educated, or you'll end up in a van down by the river!!

A1 Grass
11-18-2002, 09:43 PM
That was real helpful... thanks

Randy Scott
11-19-2002, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by A1 Grass
First of all AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!

I am new to this game and I discover new things every day. For instance, in Texas we need a license for just about everything I guess. I found out I need a license if I am going to occasionally spray weed killer. This invloves a LOT of training and fees of course - I DON'T WANNA BE A POISON SPECIALIST!!


Taking the tests and paying the fees shows your commitment to this industry and properly controlling weed problems. I don't know the laws or fees in Texas, but they aren't that expensive here in Wisconsin. Actually just got my renewal for my pesticide license and it is $60. That can be made back in no time at all.

Hope this sheds some light and a different view on this subject for you!

Knowing the rules and regulations AND proper ways to handle weed problems is what the professional service industry is about. We are in this business to help the average lay person and proper schooling and training are what make us better and help us solve our everyday turf problems. How many times do you drive by a home and see dead spots all over the lawn because the moronic homeowner thought he could spray the dandelions with roundup? This is why we pay fees and get licenses. They never read, much less understood, the part on the label that says non-selective herbicide. They have no idea what that means.

As to organic controls, I do not have any info or experience with them.
Chemicals used in todays society are only as safe as the applicator. It's that simple. And the applicator can only be safe with proper training and knowledge of products being used.

I would suggest learning your states laws and regulations to pesticide use, because it will only generate you MORE revenue.:)

Tony Harrell
11-19-2002, 07:09 AM
There is an article in TURF magazine this month about that very question. They are experimenting with various levels of vinegar with some limted success. With all the plant biology knowledge needed to perform this kind of service, I'd say get your license and start making money. You'll be glad you did.

A1 Grass
11-19-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Randy Scott
Taking the tests and paying the fees shows your commitment to this industry and properly controlling weed problems. I don't know the laws or fees in Texas, but they aren't that expensive here in Wisconsin. Actually just got my renewal for my pesticide license and it is $60. That can be made back in no time at all.

In Texas I have to "apprentice" for a year with a licensed individual or company, then annually purchase a "business" AND "applicator" license that amount to AT LEAST $250. I am commited to learning the most I can about LAWN CARE and basic landscaping, but I would rather put my time into knowledge pertaining to the use of non-regulated materials... providing they are reasonably effective.

rkbrown
11-19-2002, 04:49 PM
I do not see where it says you need to apprentice on the Texas Department of ag site. Some excerpts from http://www.agr.state.tx.us/pesticide/brochures/pes_commbroc.htm :

Applicants for a commercial applicator license must:

Pass the TDA general examination, laws and regulations examination and at least one category/subcategory examination other than aerial application or demonstration & research pest control;
Provide the required certification of financial responsibility;
Submit an application with a nonrefundable fee of $150; and
Not have been convicted of a felony involving moral turpitude in the last five years.


Application for license

After passing the general exam, laws and regulations exam and at least one category other than aerial application or demonstration & research pest control, the applicator must submit a license application with the appropriate license fee. In addition, commercial applicators must provide certification of financial responsibility in the amount of $100,000 property damage and $100,000 bodily injury per occurrence.

Expiration

Licenses expire on the last day of February of the year following the year of issue.

Recertification Requirements

Licensed commercial and noncommercial applicators are required to recertify every year by obtaining five continuing education credits; with one credit each from two of the following categories: laws and regulations, integrated pest management or drift minimization.



and from http://www.agr.state.tx.us/pesticide/brochures/pes_genbroch.htm :

Training and Testing

The Texas Agricultural Extension Service provides training materials for all TDA licenses and categories. Private entities may now offer private applicator training provided the course is approved by TDA. Individuals must attend the Extension Serviceís private applicator training program as a condition for obtaining a private applicator license.

LPC applicator and M-44 sodium cyanide categories require TDA training.

TDA Austin and regional offices offer regular monthly test days.

For commercial and noncommercial licenses, a person must pass a general exam, laws and regulations exam, and the tests for the appropriate categories. Each category test has a $20 fee.

Private applicators are administered a single exam. No test fee is charged. Private applicators wanting to make aerial applications or apply LPCs must also pass the same category exams as commercial and noncommercial applicators.

A1 Grass
11-19-2002, 05:17 PM
I'm going by what I was specifically told by someone I spoke to at the Texas Structural Pest Control Board.

Either way, I'm getting a whole lot of information I wasn't looking for.

I want to know if anyone here uses natural pesticides and/or fertilizers and prefers them to herbicides.

rkbrown
11-19-2002, 05:22 PM
My apologies, A1, I was assuming you were talking about Ornamental Plant and Turf Control. I know nothing about structural, it is a different category.

A1 Grass
11-19-2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by f350
what does applying pesticides have to do with poison? do you use gasoline? thats a poison.... basically no there is no such thing as an organic pesticide... looks like your digging weeds.

get educated, or you'll end up in a van down by the river!!

To RKBROWN - I do appreciate the info, but I spoke to the Ag dept. and they said that spraying for weeds etc. is also regulated by the Structural Pest Control Bd. I get more confused each time I talk to a state agency.

To address the quote above:

1 - Herbicides, for the most part are toxic to humans, animals and aquatic life and on each container you will find a number for "Poison Control".... I wonder what that means?

2 - There are plenty of natural weed killers and pest treatments, I just want to know who has tried them. I'm guessing you don't use them.

3 - "Looks like your digging weeds" should actually be spelled "Looks like you're digging weeds"

1grnlwn
11-19-2002, 08:40 PM
Do a search (google ) on corn gluten It is used as preemengent.

Mark

f350
11-19-2002, 09:30 PM
hey smart guy, in the past 4 years 3 companies have been shut down, for advertising organic pesticides... there is no such product, there are many homeowner remedy's.. but none labeled for commercial applications. there is no way around applying pesticides without a permit.. nuff said, this has been beaten to death.. corn glutten can be used as a preemergent, but results are poor and cost is insane.. although you can buy 50#'s labeled for ag, this price is around $7.00, then the turf label is a mere $27.00.. why would you want to fued with me? i have a license, not you... if you would take a moment and read down the post for like the last week, your question has pretty much already been answered. "I DON'T WANNA BE A POISON SPECIALIST!! " that is why i posted in regards to poison.. sorry but i have countless hours of training and education in my field.. i use far less pesticides than other lco's... ipm buddy, learn it.. now why would you be asking a person about herbicides, when that person is involved general structure pest control? that is a whole seperate catergory on my license, whole different ballgame....

oh ya, about my spelling, spell this guy.....

KLR
11-19-2002, 11:17 PM
natural weed controls??

doesn't matter what its made from, if it kills weeds its a pesticide and a license is needed if you're doin it for pay.

natural insect controls??

doesn't matter what its made from, if it kills insects its a pesticide and a license is needed if you're doin it for pay.

not jumpin on ya A1, but i sort a take offense to the word POISON. did ya know water can kill ya if miss used??

anyway, get licensed, make more $$, be more educated, its all good.

A1 Grass
11-20-2002, 12:52 PM
Hellooo... this post started out as an attempt to get more educated.

F350 - wasn't looking to feud with anyone, but nice work on the animated gifs!

Everyone else - Maybe poison was a bad choice of words. As I mentioned, just trying to get educated. Definitely do NOT come here to be ridiculed. How else do you get educated except to ask?

Thanks

1grnlwn
11-20-2002, 07:31 PM
A1 the best organic weed control is thick tall turf. In the 3.5" range. Arerate twice a year and overseed and fert. I use very little weed killer on my lawn and it takes forever to get even a few weeds. The grass is so thick when there are weeds they are hard to spot. Getting licensed is not just about chemicals, you will learn a lot about plants and soil. There you see you are learning already. Don't mind the grumpy people its close to low money season. Oh by the way the chemicals you speak of are much safer to the enviroment in the hands of a licensed prof. than a homeowner. And don't kid yourself a homeowner can get his hands on anything I can.

Mark

SCL
11-20-2002, 09:17 PM
I ;ike Marks response about thick turf. In Il. you don't need a license to fertilize. If you do need pesticide/herbicide control, and don't want to license for whatever reason, just sub it out.

Scott