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jvanvliet
01-02-2012, 09:55 AM
Finally getting a weather break, although from low 80's to high 30's low 40's in a matter of a couple of days is extreme. My arthritic bones and titanium knee are rebelling.

You guys up in N. Florida must be lighting the home fires and pulling out the ice skates. I checked the heat in my house this morning and other than burning off some dust on the heating element, I'm good to go.

How long will it take the customers who haven't been on an IPM program to complain about their sprinklers systems because the cold weather has shocked the weeds into dormancy and their lawn is browning out?

How many won't listen when you tell them it's not the sprinklers and crank up the water?

How many will blame you when it doesn't quite work out the way they wanted?

Casa Jvan- on a cold morning

Ric
01-02-2012, 11:23 AM
jvanvliet

I hope that isn't your house in the Picture. IMHO way too many flowers which breaks the basic landscape design rule of 7 to 1. That is 7 green shrubs to every 1 flowering plant. All the plants being the same is another rule breaker because there is no Texture or height layering differences. I could go on but I believe my point is made. It is just too bad Florida or any other state doesn't License landscape designers and any jack leg can claim to be a artist.

As for weather we have been above average this winter. However you can forget Global warming. If we freeze this week it will be 4 years in a row we have had freezes at night.

Plantculture
01-02-2012, 03:25 PM
Finally getting a weather break, although from low 80's to high 30's low 40's in a matter of a couple of days is extreme. My arthritic bones and titanium knee are rebelling.

You guys up in N. Florida must be lighting the home fires and pulling out the ice skates. I checked the heat in my house this morning and other than burning off some dust on the heating element, I'm good to go.

How long will it take the customers who haven't been on an IPM program to complain about their sprinklers systems because the cold weather has shocked the weeds into dormancy and their lawn is browning out?

How many won't listen when you tell them it's not the sprinklers and crank up the water?

How many will blame you when it doesn't quite work out the way they wanted?

Casa Jvan- on a cold morning


Sounds like you have a bunch of PIA customers.
I would suggest firing all of them if they act like that and start over.

jvanvliet
01-02-2012, 04:40 PM
jvanvliet

I hope that isn't your house in the Picture. IMHO way too many flowers which breaks the basic landscape design rule of 7 to 1. That is 7 green shrubs to every 1 flowering plant. All the plants being the same is another rule breaker because there is no Texture or height layering differences. I could go on but I believe my point is made. It is just too bad Florida or any other state doesn't License landscape designers and any jack leg can claim to be a artist.

As for weather we have been above average this winter. However you can forget Global warming. If we freeze this week it will be 4 years in a row we have had freezes at night.

Actually that is my house, and you are looking at impatients which are ornamental and seasonal.

There are three layers of shrubs; aroboragola trinets, coco plum and midnight jasmine. You can't see all of them because the impatients went off the chain. People in the community love the impatients and I'm actually receiving plenty of compliments on these and the ones I installed at other properties. I'm sure it's because they don't know about the 7 to 1 rule and are just relying on their sense of uninformed aesthetics Cretins that they are.

I'm sure you could go on, but thank you for the information you have provided. I'll keep it in mind.

jvanvliet
01-02-2012, 04:41 PM
Sounds like you have a bunch of PIA customers.
I would suggest firing all of them if they act like that and start over.

Also good advice... thank you.

Patriot Services
01-02-2012, 05:05 PM
I like the flowers myself. I wish more people planted seasonal color instead of just putting orange mulch around everything.
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KrayzKajun
01-02-2012, 05:33 PM
I like the flowers myself. I wish more people planted seasonal color instead of just putting orange mulch around everything.
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Agreed! :clapping::clapping:

Plantculture
01-02-2012, 06:35 PM
jvanvliet

I hope that isn't your house in the Picture. IMHO way too many flowers which breaks the basic landscape design rule of 7 to 1. That is 7 green shrubs to every 1 flowering plant. All the plants being the same is another rule breaker because there is no Texture or height layering differences. I could go on but I believe my point is made. It is just too bad Florida or any other state doesn't License landscape designers and any jack leg can claim to be a artist.

As for weather we have been above average this winter. However you can forget Global warming. If we freeze this week it will be 4 years in a row we have had freezes at night.

People go nuts with the impatiens in late October in our neck of the woods. Landscapers make some nice extra money on the plantings, and PCO's can charge extra for Plant health care.
Since we don't have snow, why the heck not. Whatever floats your boat.

Keith
01-02-2012, 07:05 PM
I don't think I have any customers that think watering is going to fix the cold weather. Plus I have full control of most of their sprinkler systems. I'll padlock them out if I have to ;)

We've got watering restrictions up here anyway. Once a week starts around the first of November. And since most are on municipal water, they like the break from the high bills.

jvanvliet
01-02-2012, 09:07 PM
I don't think I have any customers that think watering is going to fix the cold weather. Plus I have full control of most of their sprinkler systems. I'll padlock them out if I have to ;)

We've got watering restrictions up here anyway. Once a week starts around the first of November. And since most are on municipal water, they like the break from the high bills.

We don't have any customers that think watering is going to fix the cold weather. We have had customers (and still have some) that don't understand the cold weather kills the weeds in their lawns. Some of them have as much weed as lawn and so large areas brown out, they think it needs water. We try to educate them.

Unless the customer has an irrigation maintenance agreement with us, we don't assume the liability of managing it.

Anyway, didn't want to start an argument. Happy new year! :waving:

Keith
01-02-2012, 09:42 PM
Are you suggesting that customers will see brown grass/weeds, and think the lawn needs more water? One cannot outsmart winter by turning the lawn into a swamp. If so, that is what I meant by the water "fixing the cold weather." If not, I missed your point altogether.

jvanvliet
01-03-2012, 08:11 AM
Are you suggesting that customers will see brown grass/weeds, and think the lawn needs more water? One cannot outsmart winter by turning the lawn into a swamp. If so, that is what I meant by the water "fixing the cold weather." If not, I missed your point altogether.

Yes, that was it. & you are correct, one cannot outsmart winter (or any type of turf stress save drought) by turning the lawn into a swamp. There remains a large group of people that continue to believe that any browning of their turf lawns is a function of lack of water. They have a difficult time making the bridge between cause, effect and proper treatment.

We do try to educate them, and many do learn, but for many others the first response to turf stress is water. Somehow I'm convinced this problem is pervasive in S. Florida.

Patriot Services
01-03-2012, 11:32 AM
Today I have a good chill and strong winds. We are out wrapping a few of the vulnerable plants.
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Ric
01-03-2012, 11:35 AM
People go nuts with the impatiens in late October in our neck of the woods. Landscapers make some nice extra money on the plantings, and PCO's can charge extra for Plant health care.
Since we don't have snow, why the heck not. Whatever floats your boat.

Plant

"Whatever floats your boat," but ten ton Impatiens in one yard doesn't float my boat. It is way over stated and I am a Believer in LESS IS MORE when it comes to Class not Crass. Sorry But IMHO My Puerto Rican neighbor's yard with all the lawn Ornaments and plastic pin wheels looks about the same Class level.

Florida Gardener
01-03-2012, 11:39 AM
Plant

"Whatever floats your boat," but ten ton Impatiens in one yard doesn't float my boat. It is way over stated and I am a Believer in LESS IS MORE when it comes to Class not Crass. Sorry But IMHO My Puerto Rican neighbor's yard with all the lawn Ornaments and plastic pin wheels looks about the same Class level.

I agree with the point about your neighbor, but plant is stating the impatiens is good extra money for everyone. Sorry, but I'm not going to turn away the work considering how good the margins are bc it doesn't float my boat. Around here, people spend thousands upon thousands on winter annuals. I think Jvan needs to cut his back at the most.
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Keith
01-03-2012, 12:23 PM
I think Jvan needs to cut his back at the most.




Nature might do it for him this evening.

Plantculture
01-03-2012, 01:19 PM
Plant

"Whatever floats your boat," but ten ton Impatiens in one yard doesn't float my boat. It is way over stated and I am a Believer in LESS IS MORE when it comes to Class not Crass. Sorry But IMHO My Puerto Rican neighbor's yard with all the lawn Ornaments and plastic pin wheels looks about the same Class level.

Ric,
I appreciate your sentiment, which reminds me of a house I parked in front of in the Wynwood district (very sketch) in Miami for Art basel. The guy had a miniature Christmas village taking up the entire driveway.