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Mikegyver
01-12-2012, 05:44 PM
I can usually handle bidding on small to mid-sized commercial properties but this one has me stumped. Its around 16 acres. I am putting together a bid for just the maintenance (mowing, trimming, blowing, edging, bushes). Cleaning out beds/planting, irrigation, applications, etc are extra.
Here's a aerial of it.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3xo2G3128jo/Tw9ReBXFWTI/AAAAAAAAAjY/pI_PK7Mvhps/s800/Buckner%252520Image.jpg

I came up with 36 man hrs AVERAGE per week @ $30/hr= $1080 a week for Mowing/trimming/edging/blowing. (12 months) $51840
16 man hrs a month for hedges @ 30/hr= $480 a month for hedging (10 months= $4800)
Total= $56640 yearly. Plus tax.
Am I totally off? Help please!
NOTE- I HAVE NOT SENT THIS BID IN YET!
Mike

srl28
01-12-2012, 05:54 PM
Every area is different but for me personally $30.00 per man hour is very low. Have you figured your cost per employee per hour?

WiseCutLandscapingLLC
01-12-2012, 06:06 PM
You will not be on this property 36 hrs a week. One day max 3 guys. I would say you should come in closer to 30k without looking at the property. There is no aeration,fert? This is not that big of a complex looks like a very easy property to maintain!
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Mikegyver
01-12-2012, 06:22 PM
I know its not too terribly big. In our area this probably is in the top 10% size wise. Its a pretty big place to me...like i said its 16 acres.
So you think 24-30 man hrs a week is more reasonable for mowing/trimming/edging/blowing? I know the hedges will take a day for 2 guys. 100s and 100s of them.
Fert is done by somewhere else. No aeration. I would get the irrigation though.

Mikegyver
01-12-2012, 06:24 PM
On the $30 a man hr....its pretty close to right for our area. We have the south of the border element here which keeps prices pretty low. I was at $50 for 2 guys...I raised my prices.

ed2hess
01-12-2012, 08:10 PM
Unless they specified the number of mow I think your number is toooo high, maybe 38? And keep in mind you usually can't start until 9:00 and need to be gone way before 5:00. And they usually don't like a two day of disruption so watch that. The $30 is correct. Mulch, and flowers and irrigation should be billable and not in contract. Trees cut to 6' is normal to include. Sprinkler checks are usually included ....we inspect monthly in our area.

Mikegyver
01-13-2012, 10:16 AM
After pondering it this evening I came up with 30 man hrs/week @ $30= 900 a week x 48 = 43200. Am I still too high?

ReddensLawnCare
01-13-2012, 10:40 AM
MCC. Nobody on here can tell you if you are to high, and really can't tell you how long it will take without knowing your equipment and cost per man hour. Maybe your guys don't have the knowledge or tools to do the job in 30 hours, but you bid on it because someone on here said that is how long it should take you. The going rate may be $30 per man in for area, but are yOur cost that low? Last thing you want to do is get the bid, and basically be paying them to do the job. Also, what about leaf cleanup, that's a lot of trees
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Mikegyver
01-13-2012, 11:08 AM
Leaves are the same as mowing. We just run the vac over it. That's why I budgeted for so many mows. I know that its hard for anyone to give me numbers..I just need some from someone. We came up with 900...the other guy I was talking to has been to the property a lot and is a former LCO.
Mike

torotorotoro
01-13-2012, 11:53 AM
$25 per cut. thats the going rate.

Mikegyver
01-13-2012, 11:59 AM
$25 per cut. thats the going rate.
Ya I know. I think with my cub cadet rider and poulan handhelds I can do it for that rate. I will only be making $1 a hr but I will be helping these people out.
:laugh::clapping:
Im no hack. I just need some help on this one. I bid a 12 acre place also yesterday...BUT they only have 3 acres of turf. This is much more complex.
mike

Mikegyver
01-14-2012, 11:04 PM
I've pretty much come to 40 cuts @ 900 a cut. This includes some massive leaf cleanups. 36,000 plus tax and extras. Any more thoughts before I type it up?

stevenf
01-15-2012, 01:41 AM
Myself and two helpers would do this in 4-6 hours for grass cutting. Leaves will be a pain with all thoughs trees during winter! All the trees surrounding the property will be in your parking lot...
Without looking at the property I would be in the 900.00-1,000.00 range.

Mikegyver
01-15-2012, 10:18 AM
Thanks. There's several courtyards that would need push mowing and such so that adds time. I will put 900 on the bid!
Mike

Guzzo856
01-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Way to high, that property should take 3 hrs with a 4 man crew @ $35.00 a Man hr. Per Cut that should be around $460-$500, for a seasonal price i would be around $25,000-$28,000. In my area anything above that would be high

Guzzo856
01-15-2012, 02:43 PM
scratch the last price per cut.. $550- $600 is right, 900 is too high.

Ben'sLawnCare
01-15-2012, 07:08 PM
When I was 19 I worked for a Lawn Service company and one of our properties was 17 acres 110 condo units. It took 4 guys 6.5 - 7 hrs humping ass to get finished. i would say $840-$900 a cut is pretty accurate and still competitive.

Mikegyver
01-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Guzzo,
OK maybe closer to 8 hrs for 3 guys. I just do not want to under bid this.
Mike

CrownScapes
01-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Like said already, once you know your cost and work that can be done by crew in a day we cant say anything. Around here companies start at around 6-7 am, so again time frame comes into play.


Have you factored in everything? Meaning trimming trees, milch, flowers etc.,even if extras they will add up quick. I also know a few lcos who have to do such properties on friddays or Saturday, the companies are picky bought the notice.

Mikegyver
01-16-2012, 09:47 AM
Note- this is only for mowing, trimming, blowing, edging...GRASS only. I am tacking on the other stuff either monthly or coming up with it separately.
Mike

Guzzo856
01-17-2012, 11:04 AM
do you have any ZTR's, the reason my price would be cheaper is because i would have 2 60" ztrs and a 48" staner on that site , that reduces my man hrs way down

Mikegyver
01-17-2012, 12:57 PM
I have 2 48"s (Scag rider and Scag Cougar Bagging unit) and a 36" Exmark Turf Tracer walkbehind. I could really use a wider deck here but it would be one of a very few that I could run a large deck on.
mike

wbw
01-17-2012, 01:25 PM
Just submit the bid and let the customer check it for you. They will tell you if you were too high.

Mikegyver
01-17-2012, 01:43 PM
Sent!
Weekly Maintenance - $3400 /month, $40,800/year + 8.25% tax (if
applicable)= $3,680.50/ month, $44,166/year.

Mikegyver
01-20-2012, 01:25 AM
Guzzo...you win! I bid too high. What they were looking for was closer to your bid. Guess i need to work on my bidding skills!
Mike

Andy31
01-20-2012, 09:52 AM
Let us know how it turns out. Just remember there is always somebody a dollar cheaper. I saw a quote on this site but I forget who said it. "The worse part of being the lowest bidder is getting the job"

ReddensLawnCare
01-20-2012, 01:05 PM
Your bidding process may be fine, but there are always people out there who will bid low. I went and looked at a 423 unit, 30 acre apartment complex last week. Currently, there is a solo operator who is doing it all and is there for three days. After driving around for around 1 hour and measuring just a few things, I figured it would take a crew of 3 somewhere around 8-9 hours to mow, edge, trim, and blow. It also has around 100 40' oaks, and around 250 8x8 hedges. A bank leading to the pond that is around 14000 sf that has to be weed wacked bi-weekly during the growing season. There is around 6 acres or so of asphalt to be blown of weekly, trash picked up weekly, and limbs removed weekly. I told the property manager that for mowing alone, he would be somewhere around 95 grand. He laughed and told me I needed to hire cheaper help. Does that sound high to some of you guys who do larger properties. It was to big for me to handle anyway, but I know my cost of doing business, and from my market studies, I have found that the typical price per man hour in our area is around 30-35.

Also, before someone says you cannot get an accurate bid by driving around, I realize that. I have an excel spreadsheet to input all of my info into. This was just a rough idea.

ReddensLawnCare
01-21-2012, 02:58 PM
Your bidding process may be fine, but there are always people out there who will bid low. I went and looked at a 423 unit, 30 acre apartment complex last week. Currently, there is a solo operator who is doing it all and is there for three days. After driving around for around 1 hour and measuring just a few things, I figured it would take a crew of 3 somewhere around 8-9 hours to mow, edge, trim, and blow. It also has around 100 40' oaks, and around 250 8x8 hedges. A bank leading to the pond that is around 14000 sf that has to be weed wacked bi-weekly during the growing season. There is around 6 acres or so of asphalt to be blown of weekly, trash picked up weekly, and limbs removed weekly. I told the property manager that for mowing alone, he would be somewhere around 95 grand. He laughed and told me I needed to hire cheaper help. Does that sound high to some of you guys who do larger properties. It was to big for me to handle anyway, but I know my cost of doing business, and from my market studies, I have found that the typical price per man hour in our area is around 30-35.

Also, before someone says you cannot get an accurate bid by driving around, I realize that. I have an excel spreadsheet to input all of my info into. This was just a rough idea.

Disregard that post. I was being an idiot with my math, I should go talk to this guy again. Wow I feel dumb

ndols2
02-12-2012, 02:22 AM
I just did a bid like this, 9 ac. Same turf/building ratio. But we have a 28 week cut season. I think you may be a little high, but not outrageous. Just make sure your profiting off your bid, and go with it. If you lose, ask what the winning bid was, and see what the quality is like. If you were way off and the quality is good. Stick to smaller properties for now. Bigger equipment, and well trained crews are more efficient. Ie. lower man hours, you should PM Idealscape. Really nice guy, and bigger company.

ndols2
02-12-2012, 02:29 AM
Sent!
Weekly Maintenance - $3400 /month, $40,800/year + 8.25% tax (if
applicable)= $3,680.50/ month, $44,166/year.

That seems right on, I did not see this tell after I responded. Good luck. Let us know what the final winning bid was

greg8872
02-12-2012, 04:21 AM
May just be me, but I would be a little worried about posting something like this here for competition to see. (or worse, the potential client, what if they came here to read up on people they might hire).

Again, may just be me, as I'm used to dealing with fellow geeks, who would be able to easily find location/name of that potential client. (yeah, I already found it)

-Greg

ndols2
02-12-2012, 11:29 PM
May just be me, but I would be a little worried about posting something like this here for competition to see. (or worse, the potential client, what if they came here to read up on people they might hire).

Again, may just be me, as I'm used to dealing with fellow geeks, who would be able to easily find location/name of that potential client. (yeah, I already found it)

-Greg

good point

Andy31
02-13-2012, 01:00 AM
May just be me, but I would be a little worried about posting something like this here for competition to see. (or worse, the potential client, what if they came here to read up on people they might hire).

Again, may just be me, as I'm used to dealing with fellow geeks, who would be able to easily find location/name of that potential client. (yeah, I already found it)

-Greg

yep even a quick google search of your company and or your name and all your lawn site posts come up for everybody to see.

Mikegyver
02-13-2012, 11:58 AM
Thats why my handle is not my business name. I am getting ready to change it to something generic. I know its not too hard to find. PM me with what you think it is and I will let you know if you are right.
BTW I was about 25% too high. That hurt getting that email.
Mike