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John From Florida
01-28-2012, 07:59 PM
Tough as in difficult to make a living doing lawncare?

Is this accurate in your opinion when compared with northern states? I'm considering doing lawncare part time during college and maybe going full time after graduating. Would I be wasting my time? I doubt this can be entirely true. Some have got to be making it OK. I eventually want to start a family - can I support a small family in this field?

Florida's Suncoast Lawn Care
01-28-2012, 09:13 PM
Tough as in difficult to make a living doing lawncare?

Is this accurate in your opinion when compared with northern states? I'm considering doing lawncare part time during college and maybe going full time after graduating. Would I be wasting my time? I doubt this can be entirely true. Some have got to be making it OK. I eventually want to start a family - can I support a small family in this field?

Um with gas at $4 a gallon and people don't even want to pay $20 a cut I'm having trouble justifying it myself. I just purchased used almost new equipment in Indiana and moved back down. I used to mow for $60 a month in 2004 and people don't even want to pay that anymore. But gas is 3x higher than 2004. Plus living cost are much higher probably 25% since 2004. I'm own a home outright that we bought here from selling our home up in Indiana and my wife works locally here now. I'm just doing it to get out of the house and hopefully make $25k a year. But I have my reservation of even being able to clear $25k a year with 60 accounts. I only have 6 accounts at this time. I just moved here 3 months ago. I'm spending $300 a month on paper ads and such. I have a large ad also locally here too. But only 1 call in 3 months. The rest are neighbors. You can even see me all over google. I started 5 websites to get coverage. No calls still.

Type in "Florida suncoast lawn care" in Google you will see. I'm in adwords on the right also. But still no calls. It's amazing. Glad I bought a 2010 Bad boy zero turn for $2k instead of $6k and such. And my enclosed trailer for $600.

stickleylawncare
01-28-2012, 09:15 PM
If you are going to FSU, you can hopefully get an easier and better paying job when you graduate than you will do mowing. Unless this is really the business you want to be in and not just a quick cash job with no taxes during college type of thing.

MR-G
01-28-2012, 09:20 PM
its tough but not impossible to pull in a decent salary...depends on how far you want to take it...we used to have 5 crews but now are down to only 3...actually making more net this way....you have to be able to stay flexible and able to change with the cost fluctuations that this economy is throwing at all of us...keep your costs low and stay away from debt !!!

gregory
01-28-2012, 10:09 PM
Um with gas at $4 a gallon and people don't even want to pay $20 a cut I'm having trouble justifying it myself. I just purchased used almost new equipment in Indiana and moved back down. I used to mow for $60 a month in 2004 and people don't even want to pay that anymore. But gas is 3x higher than 2004. Plus living cost are much higher probably 25% since 2004. I'm own a home outright that we bought here from selling our home up in Indiana and my wife works locally here now. I'm just doing it to get out of the house and hopefully make $25k a year. But I have my reservation of even being able to clear $25k a year with 60 accounts. I only have 6 accounts at this time. I just moved here 3 months ago. I'm spending $300 a month on paper ads and such. I have a large ad also locally here too. But only 1 call in 3 months. The rest are neighbors. You can even see me all over google. I started 5 websites to get coverage. No calls still.

Type in "Florida suncoast lawn care" in Google you will see. I'm in adwords on the right also. But still no calls. It's amazing. Glad I bought a 2010 Bad boy zero turn for $2k instead of $6k and such. And my enclosed trailer for $600.



hang in there.. its still slow this time of year and will continue to be slow for several more months down here. grass just doesnt grow this time of year and wont till the rains come unless they have sprinklers...

Florida's Suncoast Lawn Care
01-29-2012, 12:07 AM
hang in there.. its still slow this time of year and will continue to be slow for several more months down here. grass just doesnt grow this time of year and wont till the rains come unless they have sprinklers...


Thanks. Oh ya I know it's slow. I just can't seem to find anyone that wants to pay. They want $15 a cut like the prices from 1985. all the pill heads working for beer money have basically torn it way down. There are guys with riding mowers that drive around knocking on doors for $10 a cut. LOL. I had them mow my lawn when I moved down the first day because it was tall plus I had been awake for 2 days straight. LOL. I will eventually be ok. I will pick up some crap one for awhile and then drop them after I get up to about 50 accounts. I know how it works. But man it seems much worse than it used to be. No calls and the prices are unreal.

Ric
01-29-2012, 11:17 AM
Tough as in difficult to make a living doing lawncare?

Is this accurate in your opinion when compared with northern states? I'm considering doing lawncare part time during college and maybe going full time after graduating. Would I be wasting my time? I doubt this can be entirely true. Some have got to be making it OK. I eventually want to start a family - can I support a small family in this field?

John

There is real money in the green industry but Grass cutting and Bush trimming is not where the real money is. Grass cutting can be a great lost leader for the more profitable SKILLED SERVICES of the green industry. Some people do make a survival wage cutting grass, but Grass cutting takes the least amount of education and every out of worker carpenter is cutting grass.

Landscape design and installation can have HUGE markup. Successful installers of course need both Design Education and People talents and are rewarded for it. Irrigation once again is a skilled trade with a higher profit margin as is Pesticide application on lawns. Once again these are skilled areas of the green industry and areas you might want to target instead of Grass cutting.


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KrayzKajun
01-29-2012, 11:38 AM
John

There is real money in the green industry but Grass cutting and Bush trimming is not where the real money is. Grass cutting can be a great lost leader for the more profitable SKILLED SERVICES of the green industry. Some people do make a survival wage cutting grass, but Grass cutting takes the least amount of education and every out of worker carpenter is cutting grass.

Landscape design and installation can have HUGE markup. Successful installers of course need both Design Education and People talents and are rewarded for it. Irrigation once again is a skilled trade with a higher profit margin as is Pesticide application on lawns. Once again these are skilled areas of the green industry and areas you might want to target instead of Grass cutting.


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Very well said RIC!
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Ric
01-29-2012, 12:42 PM
Very well said RIC!
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Cajun

First I will tell you what I am going to tell you:

The job world is more about what you know. not what you do. Those who work hardest at meanial jobs make the least. While those who know the most do the least amount of actual work and make the most money.

Now I will Tell You:

Those with a skilled trades make more than those with out skills.


Now I will tell what I told you:

Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're fat & stupid.

stickleylawncare
01-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're fat & stupid.

and old. :)

John From Florida
01-29-2012, 04:18 PM
John

There is real money in the green industry but Grass cutting and Bush trimming is not where the real money is. Grass cutting can be a great lost leader for the more profitable SKILLED SERVICES of the green industry. Some people do make a survival wage cutting grass, but Grass cutting takes the least amount of education and every out of worker carpenter is cutting grass.

Landscape design and installation can have HUGE markup. Successful installers of course need both Design Education and People talents and are rewarded for it. Irrigation once again is a skilled trade with a higher profit margin as is Pesticide application on lawns. Once again these are skilled areas of the green industry and areas you might want to target instead of Grass cutting.


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Sounds like I should look into the different aspects of this industry while I'm still young!

gregory
01-29-2012, 07:26 PM
i agree with ric i would look at adding more to your services then just cutting grass. be different then the 100's of out of work pill heads with a mini van and a craftsman riding mower...

Landscape Poet
01-29-2012, 10:59 PM
John

There is real money in the green industry but Grass cutting and Bush trimming is not where the real money is. Grass cutting can be a great lost leader for the more profitable SKILLED SERVICES of the green industry. Some people do make a survival wage cutting grass, but Grass cutting takes the least amount of education and every out of worker carpenter is cutting grass.

Landscape design and installation can have HUGE markup. Successful installers of course need both Design Education and People talents and are rewarded for it. Irrigation once again is a skilled trade with a higher profit margin as is Pesticide application on lawns. Once again these are skilled areas of the green industry and areas you might want to target instead of Grass cutting.


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I agree with you that if possible to expand into other areas it helps increase your chance of making money while "Just cutting grass" while at the same time I do not think it is impossible to make a "good living" just cutting grass. Now that does not mean to imply that I think everyone who grabs a mower is going to make what I would call a good living, but maybe it is a good living to them I don't know. I do however know that I make more than I did ever working for someone else while applying my college degree. I also do so in fewer hours than I would working for someone else and best of all I write off a large number life expenses that also happen to fall within reason of running a business. payuppayuppayup

unkownfl
01-29-2012, 11:15 PM
Lawn Care isn't a fast business. It takes years to make what you could earn working as a server most of the time. It takes a lot of time. You learn to adapt and grow to survive. If it's something you plan on doing for 10 years then sure. If it's something to make 300-400 bucks a week while in school sure. Other than that it would be better to work for someone else.

jvanvliet
01-30-2012, 08:12 AM
it's smart to offer a bread basket of services. people like one stop shopping, I'd suggest contacting a licensed pest operator (small guy) & a sprinkler co, and talk to them about combining services with you & you can offer complete packages.

Also, include landscape installations, mulch, turf, etc. They are great add ons. There is plenty of literature available for landscape design and remember each region has different design elements and preferences. For example, down here people love mountains of colorful impatiens this time of year, especially along the beach, other areas tend to prefer a more subdued landscape.

Everybody here will have an opinion and what's best, but your market is localized so take what you need here, take the rest with a grain of salt & leave the criticisms's altogether.

By the way, don't wait for the phone to ring, it won't. Go out and meet people, go to church? join the men's group, tell everybody what you do, don't be shy about telling them you could use the business. People love to help. The more people know you, the more they are likely to do business with you.

Don't quit before the miracle!

wildstarblazer
01-30-2012, 11:39 AM
I have had problems working for friends before. You have to treat them as business and that's sometimes hard. They are for some reason the ones who pay late or not at all.

lammergriffin
02-04-2012, 09:25 PM
I live in Florida and found the biggest rip-off is search engine optimization SEO. $180 monthly for a website to get optimized for a three month contract led me to a $724.16 bill I was sold by a very major league telecommunications company. Plus I was not at all looking for search engine optimization for my small business when their phone call hit. How many prospect calls resulted from having my business SEOD? Much less than 10 monthly - after the first month I tried to cancel, but to no avail. I could only cancel after 3 months ran by finding out our residential number had also been published online as our business number.

John From Florida
02-05-2012, 01:13 AM
I live in Florida and found the biggest rip-off is search engine optimization SEO. $180 monthly for a website to get optimized for a three month contract led me to a $724.16 bill I was sold by a very major league telecommunications company. Plus I was not at all looking for search engine optimization for my small business when their phone call hit. How many prospect calls resulted from having my business SEOD? Much less than 10 monthly - after the first month I tried to cancel, but to no avail. I could only cancel after 3 months ran by finding out our residential number had also been published online as our business number.

Whoa, sorry that happened. But you live and you learn. That's life. We've all been mislead by advertising at one point or another during our lives, I'm sure.

On any account, that's way too much money for me to spend, although I can see why it'd be appealing.

jvanvliet
02-05-2012, 09:52 AM
I'd like to know how many legitimate hits turn into sales from an LCO web site.

lammergriffin
03-19-2012, 01:10 AM
What's an LCO site?

Snyder's Lawn Inc
03-19-2012, 01:31 AM
Wow
I knowfirst hand the price sucks down there A couple moved up here from there gave them a price for there lawn here They said I was high for a month fee I told them thats per time not a month price they was shock and pass on my bid Then week later called me back said I was the cheapest in my area After talking to them about FL I couldnt see anybody making a living down there in mowing

Ric
03-19-2012, 01:50 PM
I'd like to know how many legitimate hits turn into sales from an LCO web site.

Job

From Past experience of having both an educational website and a sales Website, Both sucked at getting customers. But if you are to a viable business you need one just like you need at least a 1 inch add in the Yellow pages. Don't forget DEX KNOWS Internet phone book either.

Bottom line is the more you tell the more you sell. Therefore websites and Phone Books etc are only there for back up to your word of mouth and other advertisement. If you ask a customer how they found you, they will say Phone book and not tell you they spend hours on your website before calling you.

All individual advertisement is an intangible that is hard to separate from other advertisement for effectiveness.




What's an LCO site?



Lawn Care Operator Website


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Landscape Poet
03-19-2012, 10:33 PM
Wow
I knowfirst hand the price sucks down there A couple moved up here from there gave them a price for there lawn here They said I was high for a month fee I told them thats per time not a month price they was shock and pass on my bid Then week later called me back said I was the cheapest in my area After talking to them about FL I couldnt see anybody making a living down there in mowing
I am from your area originally and I will say this.
They most likely fail to understand how large their property is now vs what they had before. They also most likely fail to understand that they do not have irrigation and that although you gave them a price per cut...the number of cuts is going to be determined by several factors such as the heat, the rain etc.....this will be a new concept to them as they are used to having their turf cut every week most of the year and eow the other part.

They fail to understand that you cool season turf guys are like squirrels as I once told a failed cool season lawn turd. You must gather and hoard your nuts as fast as you can all growing season (however long that may be) because you do not know when winter is going to come where as we enjoy re-occuring monthly payments all year long for our services.

Although things can be tough down here....I am glad I am no longer a squirrel working my little tail off to gather as many nuts as I can and hoping I have stashed enough for the long winter ahead.

yamadooski
03-20-2012, 08:42 AM
Florid Rico nailed it on the head that was kinda funny in way also.
But lets face it I would have to venture to say that 85% of all Florida lawn turds are the dumbest on the planet.
Last summer I asked 23 seperate lawn guys what they are doing about gas price and massive obummer inflation. Lets face it for a gallon of water and a bag of ice before obummer in 2007 and part of 2008 it was $3.00.
Now its $5.25. That is not inflation of 4% which we have had for like ever.
Back to the 23 question I asked only 1 did you get that? only 1 said he raised prices and he guess what? Him and I only lost how many customers? Wait foooorrrr it.....0.
I now do all my invoicing on a sliding scale. I did indeed in my letter to our customers blame Obummer. I told them i have every documentation of costs pertaining to my business for the last 21 years and never have seen any kind of inlfation as to this these last three years.

The other thing Im really concerned about is everyone on here telling everyone to diversify their business. Well if everyone is lowballing the lawn business wont they do the same with everything else? ahahha yes it already starting. Lost 3 landscape jobs to some lawn guy that has no clue as to put what and where.
One of the three called me and said they should have used us. I pointed out everthing that is wrong and that is why its turning brown.
I charged them for my consultation and left.

So please do diversify because I already have the advertising ready to go to make money from all the lawnturds that dont know where to put and build things.
Already doing it with pavers saw that coming 10 years ago with the big push of pavers and all the yahoos that thought they could do pavers. The jobs I saw what a joke.
I charged for consultation and fuel. I have been charging for fuel even when it was $1.30 a gallon.
To most of you....YOu have to be a business person before being lawn jocky.

fl-landscapes
03-20-2012, 09:16 AM
First, are you saying as in pavers you are the only one capable of diversifying and everyone else is dumb and can't pull it off. Second no real "business man" would trash the president in a mailer to their customers. I am as conservative as they come and certainly no obama fan, but my business sense would tell me not to risk alienating or irritating a customer who may not share my political views. I don't roll the dice when it comes to business.



Florid Rico nailed it on the head that was kinda funny in way also.
But lets face it I would have to venture to say that 85% of all Florida lawn turds are the dumbest on the planet.
Last summer I asked 23 seperate lawn guys what they are doing about gas price and massive obummer inflation. Lets face it for a gallon of water and a bag of ice before obummer in 2007 and part of 2008 it was $3.00.
Now its $5.25. That is not inflation of 4% which we have had for like ever.
Back to the 23 question I asked only 1 did you get that? only 1 said he raised prices and he guess what? Him and I only lost how many customers? Wait foooorrrr it.....0.
I now do all my invoicing on a sliding scale. I did indeed in my letter to our customers blame Obummer. I told them i have every documentation of costs pertaining to my business for the last 21 years and never have seen any kind of inlfation as to this these last three years.

The other thing Im really concerned about is everyone on here telling everyone to diversify their business. Well if everyone is lowballing the lawn business wont they do the same with everything else? ahahha yes it already starting. Lost 3 landscape jobs to some lawn guy that has no clue as to put what and where.
One of the three called me and said they should have used us. I pointed out everthing that is wrong and that is why its turning brown.
I charged them for my consultation and left.

So please do diversify because I already have the advertising ready to go to make money from all the lawnturds that dont know where to put and build things.
Already doing it with pavers saw that coming 10 years ago with the big push of pavers and all the yahoos that thought they could do pavers. The jobs I saw what a joke.
I charged for consultation and fuel. I have been charging for fuel even when it was $1.30 a gallon.
To most of you....YOu have to be a business person before being lawn jocky.

Ric
03-20-2012, 02:05 PM
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First Rule of Business is DON"T TALK RELIGION OR POLITICS with Customers or any one you associate with on a business basics.


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BCL Services
03-20-2012, 06:30 PM
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First Rule of Business is DON"T TALK RELIGION OR POLITICS with Customers or any one you associate with on a business basics.


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No doubt, talk about a quick way to piss off a customer....:rolleyes: there have been many politicians elected that I couldn't stand but you will never hear me voice that to a customer who may think that they are the best thing going.

Mickhippy
03-20-2012, 06:52 PM
Type in "Florida suncoast lawn care" in Google you will see. I'm in adwords on the right also. But still no calls. It's amazing. Glad I bought a 2010 Bad boy zero turn for $2k instead of $6k and such. And my enclosed trailer for $600.

I did that and sure enough your add came up but, I also did search's for mowing Harbour Heights and Charlotte Florida and you were nowhere to be seen. Basically, your site/add isnt working in search.

Try it, sign out of any google apps like gmail you may be on (it effects your search) and search mowing in your local suburbs and see how your site is working. from a potential customers stand point.

Your site has no info ie What, why, how and when (keywords), on it, no pics(keywords) etc etc. Its not going to work for you.

jvanvliet
03-20-2012, 07:42 PM
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First Rule of Business is DON"T TALK RELIGION OR POLITICS with Customers or any one you associate with on a business basics.


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Great advice!:clapping:

Ric
03-20-2012, 08:02 PM
I did that and sure enough your add came up but, I also did search's for mowing Harbour Heights and Charlotte Florida and you were nowhere to be seen. Basically, your site/add isnt working in search.

Try it, sign out of any google apps like gmail you may be on (it effects your search) and search mowing in your local suburbs and see how your site is working. from a potential customers stand point.

Your site has no info ie What, why, how and when (keywords), on it, no pics(keywords) etc etc. Its not going to work for you.

Mickhippy

In My case Pest Control in Florida is very Competitive marketing. The Big Boys can afford to spend Millions. I have gotten to the first page google but can't stay there without continued pumping Google. Then I will bounce between first and forth page. First page does make a big difference in the number of Tire Kickers that call.


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Mickhippy
03-20-2012, 09:22 PM
Mickhippy

In My case Pest Control in Florida is very Competitive marketing. The Big Boys can afford to spend Millions. I have gotten to the first page google but can't stay there without continued pumping Google. Then I will bounce between first and forth page. First page does make a big difference in the number of Tire Kickers that call.


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Im no where near a SEO guru and I really dont know all the answers. If anyone wants to chime in on what Ive written below, please correct me if Im wrong. Im still learning too!

This may not all be relevant to you Ric but anyway..........

If you can get a Google Places in a centrally located area, that helps. Attach that to your website and do some Add Words. Dont need to spend heaps (more is better though), keep the keywords specific.

Do an adwords campaign (separately) for say pest control your suburb, gardening your suburb, landscaping your suburb, mowing a different suburb etc. Could do say Pest Control Your suburb, Pest Control suburb to the left, PC sub to right etc etc. Basically, when someone searchs a suburb anywhere near you, you should come up.
I believe these are done under the same campaign but separate adds if that makes sense. I was recently told this by a Google guy.
I think one payment covers all in the same campaign but would need to research it. Get as much relevant info into the add.
Im not a fan of adwords as I dont even see them on my PC, they're blocked! But Im hoping they help in the bigger picture of finding your/my site in search. I dont think Ive had a single call from an adwords add!

Look into google analytics etc. Google has a Keyword tool but again, dont go crazy with them. Dont stack or hide them (under a pic for example) on your site, keep them buried in the info and highlight a few like "mowing, gardening in your suburb"

Pics need to be named like, "mowing in your suburb" before uploading onto the site. This is something I still need to do in the photo gallery but the ones Ive uploaded into the blog have names like lawn mowing gilston. When someone searchs lawn mowing gilston a few pages in my photos come up. Do image search for lawn mowing gilston and a heap of photos come up.

The thing thats worked best for me is Blogging. Google loves new, relevant content. Doesnt need to be long stories but searchable headings and regular updates. Im still working on this myself, trying to figure out the best way to word and what content. Have a look at http://gclmow.com/lawn-care-tips As you can see Im not the best writer or anything, you may not agree with what Ive blogged but just having searchable stuff in there is helping. Most importantly, it doesn't cost anything but it works!

When I search my city ie lawn mowing Gold Coast, my old site is on page 2 while the new site is page 3. Im really trying to work on getting it up there more. All the free ad sites fill up the first page except for a few companies. Its hard but is why you need to be listed in those free sites.

I have been focusing on being found in the suburbs I want to work.
Try searching (cut n past these, might have to add Australia, sign out of gmail etc)...
lawn mowing currumbin valley
lawn mowing tallebudgera valley
lawn mowing tallai
lawn mowing bonogin
lawn mowing gilston

My old .com.au site comes up but its mainly the blog part of my new site that comes up. Sometimes several times on the first page.

Like I said, I AM NOT a guru at all this and still trying to figure it out. Tips are welcome!

easy-lift guy
03-21-2012, 08:36 AM
Tough as in difficult to make a living doing lawncare?

Is this accurate in your opinion when compared with northern states? I'm considering doing lawncare part time during college and maybe going full time after graduating. Would I be wasting my time? I doubt this can be entirely true. Some have got to be making it OK. I eventually want to start a family - can I support a small family in this field?

Unless your degree is in Horticulture or Arborculture, yes you would be wasting your time. I have spoke to thousands of individuals over the years at hundreds of trade shows across the USA. The biggest advantage of working in this industry is the fact that among other things you can make or break your own destiny. Otherwise if you decide to stick with it you will get to enjoy the following: Dealing with people that really do not have a firm grasp of reality.
2. Working many long hours that will turn into weeks and than months and of course years, only to find out well where did the time go?. 3. You will also find it very hard to ever find someone to cover for time away even when emergencies arise. If your planning on starting a family in this business your wife and kids better be all involved or else you will have additional problems to many to mention here. You may be able to make a living from this industry but not much more than that. I have been there and done that for 20 years of my professional life. My professional life ATM involves manufacturing and selling my Two products to the end users in both the Arb/Hort industries. Very happy to say the balance of my working life seems to suit me very well. Hope this information will be help full since it is from the heart and this type of work is far more than a job more like a way of life.
easy-lift guy

jvanvliet
03-21-2012, 07:07 PM
Job

From Past experience of having both an educational website and a sales Website, Both sucked at getting customers. But if you are to a viable business you need one just like you need at least a 1 inch add in the Yellow pages. Don't forget DEX KNOWS Internet phone book either.

Bottom line is the more you tell the more you sell. Therefore websites and Phone Books etc are only there for back up to your word of mouth and other advertisement. If you ask a customer how they found you, they will say Phone book and not tell you they spend hours on your website before calling you.

All individual advertisement is an intangible that is hard to separate from other advertisement for effectiveness.

Lawn Care Operator Website


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I know you are right Ric, I'm too lazy.

We are doing great just by word of mouth (picked up 6 more accounts on our last mailer).

Treating mature ficus and gumbo limbo has been a great door opener, not to mention profitable payup

We will sponsor a white fly seminar (fig and spiral) at a couple of HOA's next week, and the week after. At the same time my pesticide guy will come in and pitch as well as my pool guy, sprinkler guy, etc. Offer some refreshments kiss the usual a$$ and make the board look good.

I'm not as old as dirt yet, which makes me just a little younger than you :) I don't want to go insane until I groom my #4 son and #1 man to take over the sweating part of the business.

justanotherlawnguy
03-24-2012, 08:32 PM
Recession, what recession?

Tons of work, but I would hate to be a new startup!
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Mickhippy
03-27-2012, 06:40 AM
I wish I could delete that last post of mine!
I asked a friend to do some google searching for me and it turns out my site is doing cr@p!
I did some "Private Browsing," my site barely rates a mention! Im on first or second page but know where near doing as well as I thought!

Anyway, jst thought I should correct the bad info I gave.

I did learn something though, google really mess's with search. What you/I search isnt necessarily what others will see. Not impressed with that!

If you really want to see how your site performs do some Private Browsing!

Ric
04-01-2012, 12:50 PM
I wish I could delete that last post of mine!
I asked a friend to do some google searching for me and it turns out my site is doing cr@p!
I did some "Private Browsing," my site barely rates a mention! Im on first or second page but know where near doing as well as I thought!

Anyway, jst thought I should correct the bad info I gave.

I did learn something though, google really mess's with search. What you/I search isnt necessarily what others will see. Not impressed with that!

If you really want to see how your site performs do some Private Browsing!

Mickhippy

one thing that will get you closer to the top is the NUMBER OF HITS. If you get a lot of hits you move up. Linking to other like sites helps to increase hits. If you post your website here on LS and people clink on it, your hit count goes way up.

BTW once you post your website you give up some privacy.


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stickleylawncare
04-01-2012, 05:39 PM
Google is also constantly tweaking their magic formula to try and bring actual relevant searches, not just sites that have been clearly SEO'd if I can use that as a verb.

Ric
04-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Google is also constantly tweaking their magic formula to try and bring actual relevant searches, not just sites that have been clearly SEO'd if I can use that as a verb.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST INTERNET SCAMS is paying to increase your google placement. I must get 3 spam phone calls a week trying to sell me first page Google placement. Of course the fine print promises nothing. There area few honest out fits but most are just scamming.




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