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mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 09:24 PM
Well, I decided that I can afford to spend the extra on a Stihl instead, so I am wondering a few things about them.

Right now, I am looking at the new 430, the 500, 550, and the big 600. Now, the problem is, why is the 500 more then 550? I know the 600 is the top of the line one.

Is the 550 being phased out? Why is it 30 dollars cheaper then the 500?

The 430 is supposed to be a stratocharged 2 stoke, but how does it compare to a 4 mix?

RTR Landscaping
02-01-2012, 09:36 PM
I'm a RedMax guy, but of all those listed,I'd go with the BR600. Spend the extra $30 and get the biggest one.

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 09:40 PM
I'm a RedMax guy, but of all those listed,I'd go with the BR600. Spend the extra $30 and get the biggest one.

Well, its 60 dollars technically! :laugh:

But yeah, that is sort of what I am thinking about doing but I would like to see what the general opinion is first.

clc19chase
02-01-2012, 09:43 PM
Well, its 60 dollars technically! :laugh:

But yeah, that is sort of what I am thinking about doing but I would like to see what the general opinion is first.

get the 600 and never look back!!! youll earn that extra $60 in a day or two with time saved on blowing.

ALEX'S LANDSCAPING
02-01-2012, 09:44 PM
To say my true opinion I say spend the extra 60.00 and go with the BR600 Magnum.
It will work wonders!

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 09:48 PM
I think I just might do that. Thanks.

Landscape Poet
02-01-2012, 09:49 PM
get the 600 and never look back!!! youll earn that extra $60 in a day or two with time saved on blowing.

A very accurate and true statement...spend the little extra and go with the 600 - you will be happy that you did the thing is a very dependable beast..

Ridin' Green
02-01-2012, 10:15 PM
Well, I decided that I can afford to spend the extra on a Stihl instead, so I am wondering a few things about them.

Right now, I am looking at the new 430, the 500, 550, and the big 600. Now, the problem is, why is the 500 more then 550? I know the 600 is the top of the line one.

Is the 550 being phased out? Why is it 30 dollars cheaper then the 500?

The 430 is supposed to be a stratocharged 2 stoke, but how does it compare to a 4 mix?

The 500 costs more because of its more complicated tube design that makes it much quieter than the 550/600. It is sort of a de-tuned 550 with an over sized muffler so to speak.

Not a lot of guys know this, but before the Stihl 4 mix's came out, Stihl bought a large quantity of Red Max strato charged engines, and then decided to shelve them and move forward with the 4 mix. Their reasoning was that the 2 stroke would be getting so over regulated that it was sure to be abolished on new machines, and they wanted to get a leg up on the wave of the future. Turned out it was really not what happened since Red Max's strato engines are so much more fuel efficient, and have so much lower emissions that std 2 strokes.

I am betting that some of the RM engines that Stihl bought and never used are what is being employed in the new BR350/430's.

Buy a BR 600 and never look back. They are excellent blowers, but be sure to run full synthetic oil in your mix with it.

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 10:17 PM
The 500 costs more because of its more complicated tube design that makes it much quieter than the 550/600. It is sort of a de-tuned 550 with an over sized muffler so to speak.

Not a lot of guys know this, but before the Stihl 4 mix's came out, Stihl bought a large quantity of Red Max strato charged engines, and then decided to shelve them and move forward with the 4 mix. Their reasoning was that the 2 stroke would be getting so over regulated that it was sure to be abolished on new machines, and they wanted to get a leg up on the wave of the future. Turned out it was really not what happened since Red Max's strato engines are so much more fuel efficient, and have so much lower emissions that std 2 strokes.

I am betting that some of the RM engines that Stihl bought and never used are what is being employed in the new BR350/430's.


Ah that makes sense now I look at the sound ratings on the 550/500.

Why run the fully synthetic oil? I use the Stihl oil in the orange bottle on my FS90r.

What IS stratocharging?

Ridin' Green
02-01-2012, 10:25 PM
Ah that makes sense now I look at the sound ratings on the 550/500.

Why run the fully synthetic oil? I use the Stihl oil in the orange bottle on my FS90r.

What IS stratocharging?

Stihl recommends using their HP Ultra oil in al their 4 mix's, which is their full synthetic. It helps the engine run cooler, along with a few other reasons.

Strato charging involves having an extra air intake port that takes in air right over the hot exhaust gases as they're being expelled. It creates an cool air layer between the exhaust gasses, and the incoming fresh fuel mix, and it acts as a barrier to keep unburned fuel from being expelled along with the exhaust, which wastes fuel, and creates higher emissions


http://www.amickssuperstore.com/articles.asp?id=138

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 10:27 PM
Stihl recommends using their HP Ultra oil in al their 4 mix's, which is their full synthetic. It helps the engine run cooler, along with a few other reasons.

Strato charging involves having an extra air intake port that takes in air right over the hot exhaust gases as they're being expelled. It creates an cool air layer between the exhaust gasses, and the incoming fresh fuel mix, and it acts as a barrier to keep unburned fuel from being expelled along with the exhaust, which wastes fuel, and creates higher emissions.

Ahh. Also, what do they mean by biodegradable for the Ultra oil. It says 80% by 21 days, so does that mean my gas is only good for less then 3 weeks?

Ridin' Green
02-01-2012, 10:32 PM
Ahh. Also, what do they mean by biodegradable for the Ultra oil. It says 80% by 21 days, so does that mean my gas is only good for less then 3 weeks?

No, biodegradable oil means that any that is expelled into the air, or spilled on the ground will be 80% broken down to a non toxic state in the environment after 21 days

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 10:33 PM
No, biodegradable oil means that any that is expelled into the air, or spilled on the ground will be 80% broken down to a non toxic state in the environment after 21 days

Ah! Wish they said that on website! :laugh:

weeze
02-01-2012, 11:28 PM
yeah and use 89 octane or higher gas for your mix as well which is what stihl recommends.

mikeypizano
02-01-2012, 11:29 PM
I do use 89 Octane gas.

bls47303
02-02-2012, 12:02 AM
Hands down the 600 is the way to go. Ive run them all and regret not going with the 600 when i bought my 550

dKoester
02-02-2012, 01:09 AM
IMO the older 600's blew harder than these new ones. I rented an older model on a job and compared them against each other side by side. I think the new nozzle is restricting air flow into a more narrow range.

clc19chase
02-02-2012, 08:52 AM
IMO the older 600's blew harder than these new ones. I rented an older model on a job and compared them against each other side by side. I think the new nozzle is restricting air flow into a more narrow range.

I agree. I put the older tube and tip on my newer 600 and it seems to blow more volume of air. I first noticed the difference during leaf cleanups when my helper ran an older 600 and I was beside him with a newer 600.

Ridin' Green
02-02-2012, 03:51 PM
IMO the older 600's blew harder than these new ones. I rented an older model on a job and compared them against each other side by side. I think the new nozzle is restricting air flow into a more narrow range.

I think any difference that anyone may see is more likely the result of using two different blowers to compare the tip styles. Stihl rates them the same (earlier 600 vs. new 600M), and I have both tip types for my BR 600M. The new style simply directs the airstream into a narrower path, but they both blow equally hard. I prefer the new style because I can move leaves etc from farther away than I can with the old style tip. One other thing is that both of mine have equal sized openings. The difference in air stream direction comes from the fact that the new style forces the air through the smallest portion of the tip (the actual tip opening is merely elongated by the wear area) for a longer time period due to the length of the extended wear area on the new style tip, while the older tip style seems to allow the airstream to spread out more quickly in a wider path.

ProtosLandscapingLLC
02-05-2012, 11:26 PM
i also regret buying a 550 we have one 550 and everyone fights over 600s so its mint lol so if you want a 550 ill sell ya mine lol the 600s are the way to go!!!!

knox gsl
02-05-2012, 11:42 PM
Get the 200, it looks very light weight. The 550 is the same engine and hp as the 600 but a detuned fan. The 500 has alot of detuming and muffled exhuast causing the price to go up. For the money the 600 is the ticket, but I wouldn't be suprised if we see a new model midseason.
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integrityman
02-05-2012, 11:46 PM
Get the biggest you can- you wont regret it....Redmax is great too!!!!

bls47303
02-06-2012, 04:02 PM
Get the 200, it looks very light weight. The 550 is the same engine and hp as the 600 but a detuned fan. The 500 has alot of detuming and muffled exhuast causing the price to go up. For the money the 600 is the ticket, but I wouldn't be suprised if we see a new model midseason.
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The 200 is the same motor and fan as the bg86 handheld blower with a bigger fuel tank.

bls47303
02-06-2012, 04:03 PM
laughed when i saw it today at my deeler and he said it was a home owner backpack

mikeypizano
02-06-2012, 04:42 PM
Going with the 600 for sure. Not going to cheap out now!

THEGOLDPRO
02-06-2012, 04:48 PM
I hate my br600, Its half as strong as my old shindi eb630. This spring i will be buying something other then then another crappy stihl. Still undecided as to what im going to get.