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osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 07:27 PM
I am working on a bid to mow 55 acres. Its all flat straight forward no trimming. (small airport grass run way). I have a John Deere 3203 Compact Tractor with 8ft grooming mower. I have no idea how to even bid something this big for the city. I was thinking around 1 grand. let me know what you think?

Thanks,
Ryan

KrayzKajun
02-06-2012, 07:34 PM
How often do they want it mowed? Around here it would go for about $15/acre.
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4 seasons lawn&land
02-06-2012, 08:10 PM
If you get it you might want to invest in a WAM. A 60-72 ZTR will be more efficient than the 8ft tractor. I was thinking $750-800, 1000 would be better though. I would say a grand if its biweekly unless it looks like grass that grows like crazy.

KS_Grasscutter
02-06-2012, 08:14 PM
I'd say 15 to 20 bucks an acre. Those are easy accounts.
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LawnMan19
02-06-2012, 08:37 PM
Yeah, I would say about 15 to 20 bucks an acre also. I hope you get it :)

osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 09:03 PM
once or twice a year. So the grass will be long... so at $20.00 an acre we are looking at 1,100. Does that sounds like a fair price?

B-2 Lawncare
02-06-2012, 09:07 PM
1000 Bucks is cheap, we get 65 an acre using a brush hog.

LibertyFarmLandscaping
02-06-2012, 09:16 PM
once or twice a year. So the grass will be long... so at $20.00 an acre we are looking at 1,100. Does that sounds like a fair price?

Yes, thats about the going rate here for bush hog/shredder 20 to 25 an acre. If your mowing it twice a year with a finish mower you will probably have to double cut it. You really need a bush hog rather than a finish mower. Surely the run way is no longer used?

I use a 75hp John Deere with a 15 ft bat wing for this type of work. I have a Utility Co. account I shred around 350 acres 2 to 3 times per year. Many areas the grass,weeds will be over the hood especially in the spring.

4 seasons lawn&land
02-06-2012, 10:06 PM
ooh twice a year, thats different. Thats brush hogging to me. I would say 3 times the price of a weekly mow to brush hog. I was thinking 750 per mow so 2250 for brush mow?

osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 10:09 PM
Do you think only doing it once or twice a year it would not be worth it to 1,000?

4 seasons lawn&land
02-06-2012, 10:19 PM
Rough guess, thats 3 days with your machine right? $333 a day? Definately not! Then add another day if your only doing once a year.

osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 10:23 PM
I am a bit confused by what you are saying?

4 seasons lawn&land
02-06-2012, 10:26 PM
I was guessing it will take you 3 days to cut it with your machine. At $1000, thats $333 a day. Then you said it might only get done once a year which would probably add a day to the job.

osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 10:30 PM
Yeah i should go higher for the price. I don't want to have to do double passes. that would cost more money for gas than i figured. Whats your rate for brush hogging? where do you get the brush hog mowers?

4 seasons lawn&land
02-06-2012, 10:37 PM
Id like to get one for my 50 horse skid this year but I've been using my 5 ft zero turns for twice a year growth. Once a year growth or more I've been letting a guy I know do it. For twice a year, Im sticking to $2250. Id even say thats a good price. 50 acres is big.

JB1
02-06-2012, 10:38 PM
that will probably be 25-30 a acre and 6-7 hours with a batwing.

osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 10:46 PM
those things look pretty bad ass. I'm afraid no room in the budget for one of those.

LibertyFarmLandscaping
02-06-2012, 11:39 PM
Do you think only doing it once or twice a year it would not be worth it to 1,000?

It would be worth it to me if it was close to my house since I already have the equipment to do it quick. If wouldn't be worth it to me to have to go out and buy the correct equipment just for that one job at that price.
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osmann_lawn
02-06-2012, 11:48 PM
I'll go $30.00 an acre. I think that sounds right.

Ramairfreak98ss
02-06-2012, 11:58 PM
1000 Bucks is cheap, we get 65 an acre using a brush hog.


yeah but it might be groomed or just bi weekly grass... brushhogging is a whole nother animal! Wide open, if its not bumpy and you can cruise on the JD with the 8ft mower... 15$ an acre would probably make you "OK" money, but anything closer to $20 an acre would be better. fyi, we've lost college/school bids that went for $15.00/acre or less in NJ and our bid was $22-26/acre usually depending on areas. For $15/acre here, its not worth sending our biggest zero turns out there or especially one trailer/truck/operator with the JD 4720 cab tractor and a batwing.... we don't own a mower that wide but even if someone gave it to me, it wouldnt be worth the wear/tear on the machine and my time.

FoghornLeghorn
02-07-2012, 12:00 AM
We charge minimum $65 an acre with a $350 minimum callout charge. $65x55=$3,575.00

Why would anyone want to cut grass for $15 an acre? Forget it! Just go drink a beer and go fishing for that price.

osmann_lawn
02-07-2012, 12:16 AM
I was looking at the wrong # marked on the map. the 55 acres they want mowed 6 times a year. they divided the airport into 3 sections i was looking at the wrong one. So for 6 times what would you guys do per acre? So it probably will not be a brush mowing job.

FoghornLeghorn
02-07-2012, 12:22 AM
Still, $65 an acre. The only thing worse than not mowing is mowing cheap at a loss
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Swampy
02-07-2012, 08:38 AM
It sounds that the runway is out of active service. When I worked for my former employeer we had a chance to bid on Waukesha County's airport. They are held to standards that the maximum allowance on height is 2in. It would have been a great account but the man power and equipment needed to complete the contract wouldn't have been in the best interests of the company. That and you'd have to cut at the end of day into next morning, night cutting sucks.

In your shoes look at the cost of renting a bigger tractor with a 3 point mower/bush hog. Or call a few farmers up and seeing if you can sub it out to them if they have hay mowers.

howierd3866
02-07-2012, 09:27 AM
six time a year I do it for $15 an acre....for 1 to 2 times a year I do it for $25 to $30 an acre...But $65 an acre please let me know will pack up and move there..Not even in the good times have I heard $65 an acre.But back to the story, sorry but if you dont have the right euipment you need to pass it up. Job not big enought to buy equipment plus nowadays you dont know how long you can keep the contract. just my .02 and 32years at doing this

KrayzKajun
02-07-2012, 09:47 AM
How long is the contract length? If its only a year then not worth the time. Can you secure it for 2-3yrs or more? Are you bidding against the company that already has the contract?
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B-2 Lawncare
02-07-2012, 10:02 AM
WoNyeah but it might be groomed or just bi weekly grass... brushhogging is a whole nother animal! Wide open, if its not bumpy and you can cruise on the JD with the 8ft mower... 15$ an acre would probably make you "OK" money, but anything closer to $20 an acre would be better. fyi, we've lost college/school bids that went for $15.00/acre or less in NJ and our bid was $22-26/acre usually depending on areas. For $15/acre here, its not worth sending our biggest zero turns out there or especially one trailer/truck/operator with the JD 4720 cab tractor and a batwing.... we don't own a mower that wide but even if someone gave it to me, it wouldnt be worth the wear/tear on the machine and my time.

65 an hour is what a guy can get around here. As to wear and tear brush hogs are meant for the ruff stuff, That why they have slip yokes e.c.t. If I were biding on this and was garuanteed the second mow I might drop it down to 55 an acre.

4 seasons lawn&land
02-07-2012, 10:26 AM
I dont think the time diff to mow that will be much less with 1 month of growth vs 3. It would make a difference to a lawn mower but I would think, little difference to a tractor.

osmann_lawn
02-07-2012, 05:33 PM
It's a small airport, part of the 55 acres is the surrounding area as well. I believe the grass run way is only used as a back up/emergency use. I don't think they are looking for something perfect i know the town does not want to pay a lot of money like any other city/town they go with the cheapest. A lot of the local lawn care guys don't have a big compact with an 8ft mower. So i kinda have the advantage there. This is the first time the town is contracting out there mowing. They want to stop mowing because it is costing them to much money in repairs & equipment. The full time guy that had do it every year quit and has his own little business now. They gave me a packet of info & a bid sheet with maps of all the areas/acreage. I am almost done figuring out what to charge each property. I know a few people on the board as well so that helps.

the town hall has 2 1/2 acres with about 20 min of trimming i estimated that at $130.00 Does that sound to low?

osmann_lawn
02-07-2012, 06:16 PM
in the packet of info sub contracting is not allowed. It does not say to much about the insurance. Just want a copy of it when turning in the bid.

FinerCutslawnCare
02-09-2012, 08:44 PM
Brush hog I would try to get 30-40. $15 an acre seems a bit low, even though it is rough mowing.

OrangeToys
02-12-2012, 12:24 AM
I am working on a bid to mow 55 acres. Its all flat straight forward no trimming. (small airport grass run way). I have a John Deere 3203 Compact Tractor with 8ft grooming mower. I have no idea how to even bid something this big for the city. I was thinking around 1 grand. let me know what you think?

Thanks,
Ryan

Little off topic but how did you get a chance to bid something this big?

osmann_lawn
02-12-2012, 12:29 AM
I know a few people on the village board. One of the board members i have been mowing there lawn since high school. Always have done a great job on her lawn & she was the one who told me to get a business started. She knows my situation and that i will be able to get the mowers needed for the job. Just have to get the contracted signed before i make a purchase on new equipment. I know that i need more knowledge in this industry from a business side. This would be a great opportunity for me to get my name out there & make money. the village has about 40 lawns they want cut. The only one that concerned me what the air port. I talked to a guy who only does large area mowing he said that my uncles tractor would work. just have to get the right pull behind mower for it. So that is good. I could also sub contract the 56 acres. So i have some options.

OrangeToys
03-09-2012, 09:05 AM
Im bidding today on a 8ac 3ac 17.5ac 19ac 1ac

Grassmaster9
03-10-2012, 12:42 AM
I would think $45/acre. $2475.

OrangeToys
03-11-2012, 04:34 PM
The stuff im bidding on they said it is to be brush hogged, then they say every 14 days. so Its basically a finish cut

Snyder's Lawn Inc
03-11-2012, 07:10 PM
Do you think only doing it once or twice a year it would not be worth it to 1,000?
2 times a year I say 55-65 per acre that many acres you could do 45-50 Deisel isnt cheap these days
you better buy a 15 batwing and bigger tractor
With 8ft you be lucky get 2 acres per hr all depends how thick it is
Best thing to do find a farmer looking for hay cut it for hay
What we do around here

grassmasterswilson
03-11-2012, 07:39 PM
http://www.landscapecalculator.com/

try that link....

8ft at 5mph(speed may be off) equals 4.36 acres per hour. So I'd figure 55 acres would take 12.6 hours.I don't have a tractor so figure in transportation and fueling up if you will need to refuel.

Growin Green
03-18-2012, 09:21 PM
How did you do on the bid at the airport? Did you get the job?