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Day off?
02-24-2012, 07:21 PM
The county inspectors have been patrolling heavily. In the last 10 years I have dealt with inspectors only 3 times... All 3 occurrences happened this week!

Ric
02-26-2012, 10:46 AM
The county inspectors have been patrolling heavily. In the last 10 years I have dealt with inspectors only 3 times... All 3 occurrences happened this week!

Day Off

This is typical of the Bureaucratic Wage slave. About every 10 years someone screams and they get off their dead center and give the world crap for a week or two. Then it is back to the usual SOP of doing nothing. However Fines are the new taxes here in Florida since our State Budget tanked.

The worst one to watch out for is the Fla DOT. Lawn trucks that spray Roundup whether legal or illegal are considered HAZMAT stops because of Pesticides. The each DOT officer is a EPA officer and must perform so many Hazmat stops each year to keep that certification. You had better have Labels and MSDS etc for each chemical as well as a spill kit and chemical lock box. If you think the BEPC or Ag inspector was trouble, Get ready because the DOT officer will make the Ag inspector look like a boy scout.


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Day off?
02-27-2012, 06:09 PM
Day Off

This is typical of the Bureaucratic Wage slave. About every 10 years someone screams and they get off their dead center and give the world crap for a week or two. Then it is back to the usual SOP of doing nothing. However Fines are the new taxes here in Florida since our State Budget tanked.

The worst one to watch out for is the Fla DOT. Lawn trucks that spray Roundup whether legal or illegal are considered HAZMAT stops because of Pesticides. The each DOT officer is a EPA officer and must perform so many Hazmat stops each year to keep that certification. You had better have Labels and MSDS etc for each chemical as well as a spill kit and chemical lock box. If you think the BEPC or Ag inspector was trouble, Get ready because the DOT officer will make the Ag inspector look like a boy scout.


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Hi Ric, I know all about the DOT... Yes they are no joke! Fortunately, I no longer deal with chemicals. I find chemical companies to work with, then reffer my customers to that company. Less stress for me and it eliminates the finger pointing game between maintenance vs treatment companies!

yamadooski
02-29-2012, 07:40 AM
Well Day Off then by your statement as above you are now pulling weeds by hand or you tell your customers to do it? Because Ive been doing this in this area for 19 years and still have not found a fertilize company that sprays for weeds in the beds.

Ric
02-29-2012, 09:36 AM
Well Day Off then by your statement as above you are now pulling weeds by hand or you tell your customers to do it? Because Ive been doing this in this area for 19 years and still have not found a fertilize company that sprays for weeds in the beds.

Yamadooski

As a Niche market I have a small Trailer with a Skid Spray and 300 ft hose reel on it full of Roundup. I keep this set up ready to go 24/7 because I spray enough Roundup to justify it. But I do mostly sub work from landscapers who want large areas killed. I also do some commercial parking lots etc as well as Aquatic work. BTW Because of my equipment set up I can do large areas cheaper and better than the landscapers can do it them selves with a back pack. I don't kid myself and know I am getting that work because of price and not the fact I am legal compared to them being illegal.

BUT the bottom line is as a Spray company I can't make any money spraying beds. People won't pay what I would have to charge in order to turn a profit. However as a Lawn cutter you pretty much have to provide weed control in beds if you want to stay competitive. It can also be a nice add on or up sell since you are already there.

Therefore most Spray companies really don't care if you are legal or illegally spraying Roundup in beds. We do get upset when people spray be on the beds and spray on large areas or do other treatments that we can make a profit.


NOW I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ROUNDUP PRICES. I know what I have to charge to make a profit, which is $ 10.00 per K. But what I really don't know is what other have to charge to make a profit. Therefore I might be leaving a lot of money on the table. So What are spray companies charging per thousand??? I believe most spray companies are going to use Back Packs, where I use power spray.



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Patriot Services
02-29-2012, 12:55 PM
Ric that's a serious setup for weed control in beds. Thats what my spray guy uses for turf kills prior to sod work. I'm working with just 2 and 3 gallon jugs. Once they are under control its a weekly spot spray of maybe 10 weeds or cracks per yard. The price gets built into the monthly cut cost. Top yards pay for Snapshot to further cut down on weed issues.:usflag:

Ric
02-29-2012, 02:29 PM
Ric that's a serious setup for weed control in beds. Thats what my spray guy uses for turf kills prior to sod work. I'm working with just 2 and 3 gallon jugs. Once they are under control its a weekly spot spray of maybe 10 weeds or cracks per yard. The price gets built into the monthly cut cost. Top yards pay for Snapshot to further cut down on weed issues.:usflag:

Patriot

That is my point. My set up is not designed for spot spraying weeds in beds. Killing out Turf to make beds or sod replacement is more the kind of work I do with that set up. I have enough Landscapers that need Kill outs done to keep this set up. I can also do it faster and cheaper than they can with a back pack.

The 300 ft hose reel isn't even good for spraying Pond banks for Aquatic weed control which I also do a lot of. So this is a very specialized set up that took time to build a market for.

BTW I am not going to list all my equipment BUT I will admit to being a equipment freak. Most of my equipment isn't new or was purchased used. But I am able to have dedicated sprayers for different applications because I have a lot of junk, Oops I mean Equipment.



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Tri-City Outdoors
02-29-2012, 04:27 PM
Ric,
I'd say the $10-13 per k range is were you need to be. Every sod job we do is sprayed by someone licensed. The $10 per k is the cheapest we had is done for. We do lots of $12ish also. Example One guy would charge me $40 weather it's 3 or 4 k. But, at 5k I would expect to pay more.
As you mention your set up allows you to be more efficient. Your in the market with pricing but making more $ than Joe the spray guy. Also the niche market is for landscape who can't legally do it. They hire you at a good rate. Get a good job preformed and they get some extra meet on the bone. Johnny no workman's comp is doing sod job for........Well lets say for $25 per palm prices......That really dose not leave the legal guy a lot of sod jobs after the low ballers. Basically the cheaper I can get a legal burnout for a sod job. The cheaper my sod estimate is. In return the more sod jobs for you to burn out.
You not leaving money on the table you are EFFICIENTLY filling a niche market. The guys who blow mulch are probably making good $. But, they do it for a 1/5 of what I can do it for. If it makes you feel better bump it up a little per k. Most likely no one will ever care or notice.

Ric
02-29-2012, 07:26 PM
Tri-city

Thanks for the reply.

I make a second trip to touch up any misses because burn outs will sure tell on your misses. But the call back is a spot treatment. I would like to think I have the system down pat even if I make a second trip.

I am actually very happy with my price structure and make money. Talking with Fl Landscape he pointed out I would not be so happy with the margin if I had to pay a tech instead of doing it myself. I generally get a flat hundred minimum for most burn outs. Most are under 10 K and I have a high percentage record of picking up the account after the sod is laid. I look at burn outs as a paid sales call to up sell full service.


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Landscape Poet
02-29-2012, 10:04 PM
I am actually very happy with my price structure and make money. Talking with Fl Landscape he pointed out I would not be so happy with the margin if I had to pay a tech instead of doing it myself. I generally get a flat hundred minimum for most burn outs. Most are under 10 K and I have a high percentage record of picking up the account after the sod is laid. I look at burn outs as a paid sales call to up sell full service.


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A couple things you have brought up in the post that we did not discuss when we talked about this. You know my cost would be much higher for a preferred vendor which I shared with you. At $20 per K they would ensure it was killed and maybe as is there price per K higher in the market but they do have employees and not the owner/operator out there doing it.

I would also say that your point about it being a sales call is about right. A sod job of any size for me also means the home owner is getting informed on the fact that there is a reason this sod is getting replaced. Is it irrigation? Got a person to fix that for them Thumbs Up Was it a pest issue that was not addressed by their current provider? Got a provider for them on that issue tooThumbs Up Or was it the knuckle head keeping their lawn cut it was a green? I can help with that too Thumbs Up Point being that lawnturds do have their place in this world and that sod installations are generally good business for everyone (associated with the lawnturd) if handled properly. I would say you could afford to raise your prices slightly if you do not get the account however if you get the account the lawn turd gets a discount for the lead!

Landscape Poet
02-29-2012, 10:08 PM
Well Day Off then by your statement as above you are now pulling weeds by hand or you tell your customers to do it? Because Ive been doing this in this area for 19 years and still have not found a fertilize company that sprays for weeds in the beds.

Does Plant-It-Earth who is associated with the turfmarker brand not do this? From the literature I have seen them leave on customers doors around here recently they list that they keep weeds out of the bed areas as one of their services that makes them different from other providers along with video recording the application on each property. They are located in the Tampa area from my understanding.

Your point is taken though on many do not offer this service or are willing to offer bed services of any kind.

Patriot Services
03-01-2012, 08:03 AM
Mike~ I'm going to assume most squirt guys aren't interested or can't do it for a price accepted by the masses. None of my customers that have a spray service use them for bed week control. Personally I don't think it can be controlled in the 6~7 times a year the squirt guy comes.
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Ric
03-01-2012, 08:38 AM
mike~ i'm going to assume most squirt guys aren't interested or can't do it for a price accepted by the masses. none of my customers that have a spray service use them for bed week control. Personally i don't think it can be controlled in the 6~7 times a year the squirt guy comes.
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Landscape Poet
03-01-2012, 10:11 AM
Mike~ I'm going to assume most squirt guys aren't interested or can't do it for a price accepted by the masses. None of my customers that have a spray service use them for bed week control. Personally I don't think it can be controlled in the 6~7 times a year the squirt guy comes.
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I do not think they can control to make it worth there while vs us who on the property each week....but I did want to mention that PIE company because they state that they do and they are in the Tampa area.....not sure that it is true but they claim on there doorhangers and flyers. They have not grabbed a market share here that I am aware of so I can not testify to it.

Patriot Services
03-01-2012, 03:08 PM
I do not think they can control to make it worth there while vs us who on the property each week....but I did want to mention that PIE company because they state that they do and they are in the Tampa area.....not sure that it is true but they claim on there doorhangers and flyers. They have not grabbed a market share here that I am aware of so I can not testify to it.

I've only seen them in one large development in Land O' Lakes just north of Tampa. I have almost 40 accounts in that area and quite a few use PIE. Good work on the turf but if they're treating the beds for weeds I can't tell. I'm still having to spot spray with each service visit. Strange absence of TG in this neighborhood. I don't think I've ever seen them in Tampa.:usflag:

GreenT
03-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Does Plant-It-Earth who is associated with the turfmarker brand not do this?


Here in the Villages, there are tons of companies that offer nothing but bed services. Shrub trimming, weed control, color rotations, anything bed related, in any combination.

Lawn services compete on the $30 - $50/month strata so they have to have large number of accounts to stay alive. I guess that doesn't leave them any time left for anything other than banging as many properties in a given day.

Such is life.

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Landscape Poet
03-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Here in the Villages, there are tons of companies that offer nothing but bed services. Shrub trimming, weed control, color rotations, anything bed related, in any combination.

Lawn services compete on the $30 - $50/month strata so they have to have large number of accounts to stay alive. I guess that doesn't leave them any time left for anything other than banging as many properties in a given day.

Such is life.

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OMG T ......I did not know you were in the Villages!;););) They must not know you tend to lean to the left in real life there yet or I am pretty sure they would of hung you there from what I have heard at least burned you at the stake :blob2::blob2::blob2:


Are you a closet right winger T? Do any lefties besides yourself live in the villages.

GreenT
03-01-2012, 10:17 PM
OMG T ......I did not know you were in the Villages!;););)



Chill out. I'm not.

I'm not far from it though. But far enough to escape the powerful vortex field of craziness from the soon-to-be-dead crowd in their next to hell level existence of Palin idolizing.

"She's so real!.... And she speaks the truth!!!"

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Landscape Poet
03-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Chill out. I'm not.

I'm not far from it though. But far enough to escape the powerful vortex field of craziness from the soon-to-be-dead crowd in their next to hell level existence of Palin idolizing.

"She's so real!.... And she speaks the truth!!!"

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The do appear to be a different crowd up there for sure.

greendoctor
03-02-2012, 02:07 AM
Mike~ I'm going to assume most squirt guys aren't interested or can't do it for a price accepted by the masses. None of my customers that have a spray service use them for bed week control. Personally I don't think it can be controlled in the 6~7 times a year the squirt guy comes.
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It can't be done if bed weed control consists of RoundUp or QuickPro. I frequently am faced with beds having issues with RoundUp resistant weeds such as Kyllinga or Nutsedge. Another issue is prolific seeders such as prostrate spurge or bittercress. What ends the weed party are herbicides targeting sedges and an extensive preemergent program that is effective against broadleaves. DNA herbicides or Dimension do not do well on broadleaves. For that, Gallery, Ronstar, or Sureguard are needed. Ronstar and Sureguard need to be applied as directed sprays under and around ornamentals. That means a pressure regulated wand applying a set volume per 1000 sq ft.

I might need 4 visits in the first 2 months, after that, it is maintaining the preemergent barriers. If a site is heavily infested with purple nutsedge, for which there are no selective preemergents, then the needs are much higher. BTW, it is seldom that a landscaped area does not have a purple nutsedge problem. Thank you EPA for making it almost impossible to do pre plant fumigation on sites other than farms.

Ric
03-02-2012, 08:39 AM
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I am a believer that pre-emerges chemically root prune desirable plants. Therefore I don't agree with broadcast applications.

Somewhere in the middle each person finds what works best for them. Cultural practise are as important as chemical if not more important. Proper irrigation and good mulch go a long way in bed weed control. What I found was, the same spots are where the weeds always grow. Therefore I added a Pre Emerge to my roundup and it works for me. Call it mixing my own "Roundup Extend"


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greendoctor
03-02-2012, 12:07 PM
Agree on this. I deal with a lot of mondo grass, which is very sensitive to herbicides and how they are applied. DNA herbicides and Dimension will root prune mondo, but good, causing it to thin out. Ronstar and Gallery do not root prune, however Ronstar G will kill mondo, but the sprayable formulations are safe as long as they are irrigated immediately after application. I do not apply DNA herbicides or Dimension to any bed unless there is a known problem with grassy weeds. Occasional emergence of grassy weeds does not alarm me because there are highly selective postmemergent herbicides for grass control. I am more concerned about broadleaves due to the limited options for postemergent control.

The same herbicides that cause root pruning in turf will do the same in ornamentals. Those herbicides are also available as granules and cheap. FreeHand and Snapshot contain DNA herbicides. I would be especially concerned about DNA herbicides on sand. Where the potential for leaching into the root zone of desirable plants is highest.

Ric
03-02-2012, 04:16 PM
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Green Doctor

I no longer do bed weed control for the reasons stated above. (no Real Profit for me). However for larger Industrial or Agricultural applications like fence lines or parking lots etc I have found the safest least expensive Pre emerge Herbicide. PROBLEM IS IT IS NOT LABELED FOR HORTICULTURE. Therefore I am not giving the name of that product, but I am sure you know or can guess what it is. Legume Farmers use a lot of it and it isn't a ground sterilizer. Woody ornamental are not effected. I turned Z Turncutter on to it because he does mostly Large estates that are Zoned Agricultural in Florida's real Farm Country. Just about 2 weeks ago I ask him for feed back and He is happy with the response or lack of weed response. He plans to continue to use it. Only next time he will buy it direct instead of a sample from me. BTW I believe I made a Dollar $2.98 on that big sale and I think Z turn was very happy I got so rich from the deal because it worked for him.


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greendoctor
03-02-2012, 04:21 PM
I know what it is and it does not sterilize soil or kill trees. But it provides long lasting control of broadleaf and grassy weeds. On areas near desirable vegetation such as property lines and non planted areas in nurseries, my go to is diuron, Goal, and Pendulum Aquacap. No problems with run off killing trees, shrubs or container plants.

Day off?
03-09-2012, 07:47 PM
Does Plant-It-Earth who is associated with the turfmarker brand not do this? From the literature I have seen them leave on customers doors around here recently they list that they keep weeds out of the bed areas as one of their services that makes them different from other providers along with video recording the application on each property. They are located in the Tampa area from my understanding.

Your point is taken though on many do not offer this service or are willing to offer bed services of any kind.

Yes they do. That's who I refer to my customers. All of my customers that use them have very healthy yards.

Landscape Poet
03-10-2012, 04:31 PM
Yes they do. That's who I refer to my customers. All of my customers that use them have very healthy yards.

How do they video tape the application. Is it a little gopro camera that they stick to their hat or what. Do the customers have to request it or it loaded on a wepage somewhere for there review?

Day off?
03-10-2012, 05:56 PM
How do they video tape the application. Is it a little gopro camera that they stick to their hat or what. Do the customers have to request it or it loaded on a wepage somewhere for there review?

I have no idea? I think they do it for liability reasons? I do know that they leave a detailed list of chemicals used and why.