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CAPT Stream Rotar
05-25-2012, 10:10 PM
In a complete muddy see nothing only feel ditch..

She was a 1'' WM burried about 16 inches down, on the down hill side of the zone..Didn't have time to drain out and bail...I went for it... On the second time I got it right...Completely shocked it worked..such a PITA and I was real wet.....

I hope I never have to deal with that again, and you can bet you will see a shop vac on my truck soon.....

Mike Leary
05-25-2012, 10:25 PM
In a complete muddy see nothing only feel ditch..

She was a 1'' WM burried about 16 inches down, on the down hill side of the zone..Didn't have time to drain out and bail...I went for it... On the second time I got it right...Completely shocked it worked..such a PITA and I was real wet.....

I hope I never have to deal with that again, and you can bet you will see a shop vac on my truck soon.....

What, a diaphragm?

Sprinkus
05-25-2012, 10:27 PM
Just make sure that you don't trap the solenoid wire under the bonnet. I had to fix that problem after a well respected/seasoned tech did exactly that.

FIMCO-MEISTER
05-25-2012, 10:46 PM
I'm sorry dude. Thought I had it right.

1idejim
05-25-2012, 11:39 PM
Shop vac, interesting idea.
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mitchgo
05-26-2012, 01:43 AM
Nice! If you don't have the time just come back another day?
Hopefully more debris didn't get inside .

Today my route was all the follow-up stuck valve / Main line break jobs of the week. I had 7 jobs and replaced 8 valves with some massive main line flushing. Last night I got stuck working tell 8pm de-contaminating 15 valves from ml break near the back flow preventor... Funn

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-26-2012, 06:14 AM
And i'm back at it again..

Mitch- this is one of those places where "promises" were made...I was @ it last night till 7:30..Great thought about the wire getting locked inside the upper chamber, thanks ill remember that. I know some sh!t was in that puppy.. but its firing up 10/10 times so far..I did run the snot off it and im sure there is some debris in the last head on the spray zone...

I'll take some pics today...This Job has been a PITA...Trucks and backhoe's have been driving over my mainline for weeks now...finally they broke it and jammed it with debris...It's my job to flush and get back to work....great overtime though.

1idejim
05-26-2012, 12:17 PM
And i'm back at it again..

Mitch- this is one of those places where "promises" were made...I was @ it last night till 7:30..Great thought about the wire getting locked inside the upper chamber, thanks ill remember that. I know some sh!t was in that puppy.. but its firing up 10/10 times so far..I did run the snot off it and im sure there is some debris in the last head on the spray zone...

I'll take some pics today...This Job has been a PITA...Trucks and backhoe's have been driving over my mainline for weeks now...finally they broke it and jammed it with debris...It's my job to flush and get back to work....great overtime though.

this was sweet ed, tree company was doing a clearance and a burly young buck around your age was the faller. there was a disagreement as to how the tree was to be fell, the boss gave into the young faller. the power co killed the power and cleared the line of fall while the faller climed the tree to place a rope. the faller climbed down to about 30 or so feet AGL. from this perch the youngster fell the top 70+ feet of the pine, placing it exactly where he had planned it. the tree broke to a horizontal plane from which it dropped, hitting the ground flat and hard. the ground shook as the tree landed and i was 200 feet from it. within a minute someone said we have water coming from under the tree. we shut the main down. i located the the trace wire and excavated the pipe for the plvmber to repair. the main was 4 ft deep and sand bedded. on top of all of this the neighbor whose property the tree landed said that his septic tank is directly under the tree. this poor kid has gone from champ to chump and it's looking like the cloud covering his decision is growing darker. i haven't figured how to post pics from the phone yet but the 3in main split at the bell and the weld was poorly prepped and was jvst waiting for an excuse to fail.
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jvanvliet
05-27-2012, 02:04 PM
What, a diaphragm?

Isn't that something to prevent pregnancy?

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 02:34 PM
Isn't that something to prevent pregnancy?

I never got what ROTAR did to "repair" the valve, other than open it up. I'd have replaced the diaphragm just for yucks, as the bonnet was off.

Duekster
05-27-2012, 03:22 PM
Title says changed Valve, maybe just the guts, that would have been me.

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 03:44 PM
Title says changed Valve, maybe just the guts, that would have been me.

Why change the whole valve? I don't get it unless the seat was cracked. A reverse flow valve (W*M) will pass just about anything short of boulders.

Duekster
05-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Why change the whole valve? I don't get it unless the seat was cracked. A reverse flow valve (W*M) will pass just about anything short of boulders.

How much are you going to save buying valve parts versus the whole valve?

He is working in a deep muddy hole, I would replace the guts and be done with it.

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 04:00 PM
How much are you going to save buying valve parts versus the whole valve?

He is working in a deep muddy hole, I would replace the guts and be done with it.

Most of the time, the parts are more pricey than a fresh valve, but the LABOR of changing-out a valve where that's not the problem is ridiculous. I've prolly got three or four hundred W*M valves in service, and have had zero (0) cracked seats. Now if the male adapters were tightened too much, that would be one thing, but Eddie did not explain exactly what happened, or where the problem came from.

Duekster
05-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Most of the time, the parts are more pricey than a fresh valve, but the LABOR of changing-out a valve where that's not the problem is ridiculous. I've prolly got three or four hundred W*M valves in service, and have had zero (0) cracked seats. Now if the male adapters were tightened too much, that would be one thing, but Eddie did not explain exactly what happened, or where the problem came from.

Right, so I have a new valve. It is leaking down stream or otherwise not working correctly. The existing valve body is good, I remove the top, replace all of it, seat, diaphragm, spring, bonnet, Solenoid and all. As good as new, less chance for a service call back. Happy client.

Not spending high prices on parts and have a complete new valve less the lower body. :cool2:

Not knowing Eddie's problem I am just saying what I would do.

Also no concerns about trying to solvent weld in a mud hole.

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 04:43 PM
I standardized on valves years ago, carried complete re-build kits for W*M and RB PEB valves, period. Any other brand got changed-out. It could have been that Eddie had no parts on board for the W*M, thus the complete change-out.

Duekster
05-27-2012, 07:55 PM
I standardized on valves years ago, carried complete re-build kits for W*M and RB PEB valves, period. Any other brand got changed-out. It could have been that Eddie had no parts on board for the W*M, thus the complete change-out.

The point being, between us if I am using a new valve for parts because

New valves are less expensive and labor is costly. Then why not do a complete upper, seat and all including the soleniod? It takes how long? Saves how much. Have all working parts as new. Seriously, why save the seat of a new valve if it does not wear out?

I kind think you mean body when you say seat.

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 08:09 PM
I kind think you mean body when you say seat.

I assume when I say "seat" most understand that is the only part of a body that can take damage from rocks or debris. I've seen some brass/plastic valve seats get hammered, but that was because the dorks hogged-down the flow controls. O.K., it's been a good day, we've said "diaphragm", "body" and "seats" without the mods deleting the posts. :clapping:

Duekster
05-27-2012, 08:15 PM
I assume when I say "seat" most understand that is the only part of a body that can take damage from rocks or debris. I've seen some brass/plastic valve seats get hammered, but that was because the dorks hogged-down the flow controls. O.K., it's been a good day, we've said "diaphragm", "body" and "seats" without the mods deleting the posts. :clapping:

You have likely seen more irrigation valve body, diaphragms and seats than I but I have likely seem more valve bodies diaphragms and seats over a broad range of industries. We can now add Broad to the list.

Wet_Boots
05-27-2012, 08:32 PM
Outside of maybe Griswold, how many replaceable seats are in zone valves we might ever see?

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 08:34 PM
We can now add Broad to the list.

Mike Donovan must be off today, otherwise, we'd be toast.

Duekster
05-27-2012, 08:40 PM
Outside of maybe Griswold, how many replaceable seats are in zone valves we might ever see?

Hunter for sure. It is under the diaphragm and is a replaceable part in that fits tightly in the body.

Wet_Boots
05-27-2012, 08:45 PM
Hunter for sure. It is under the diaphragm and is a replaceable part in that fits tightly in the body.that's a diaphragm support, you noodge :hammerhead:

Mike Leary
05-27-2012, 08:53 PM
Hunter for sure. It is under the diaphragm and is a replaceable part in that fits tightly in the body.

Quit talking dirty, there are children on this forum.

1idejim
05-27-2012, 11:58 PM
this is the tree that i was posting about earlier.

the fall line of the tree was where i excavated for repairs. it's pretty evident where i was digging (lots of mud so the clean up was a little sloppy) the tip of the tree is laying directly over the septic tank. i located the tank yesterday with my id1200 when i took the pics.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 08:38 AM
Tons of debris in the system from a construction company that kept destroying/driving over the main line.

Rocks, dirt, muddy water what ever you want to call it..

I took it apart in a muddy hole fished out a few rocks, cleaned off the diaphram and put it right back in..

to me that's changing it out cause it was out of the assembly. No new parts, just the old crappy WM diaphram.

Duekster
05-28-2012, 08:55 AM
that's a diaphragm support, you noodge :hammerhead:

That too. :waving:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 09:44 AM
Hey Dukester- how many trucks do you run?

1idejim
05-28-2012, 10:02 AM
Tons of debris in the system from a construction company that kept destroying/driving over the main line

given the frost line is between two and one halh and four feet there shouldn't be any issue with driving a backhoe (weighing 20,000lbs) across the ML if the ML was installed properly.

jvanvliet
05-28-2012, 10:23 AM
Outside of maybe Griswold, how many replaceable seats are in zone valves we might ever see?

Haven't seen one yet.

Not sure I'd even open let alone change a diagphram under dirty water.

A cement truck crushed this bad boy @ 30" on the commons.

Crushed is bad... very very bad. Cleaned the crap out of valves and PGP's for days payuppayup

jvanvliet
05-28-2012, 10:38 AM
Hunter for sure. It is under the diaphragm and is a replaceable part in that fits tightly in the body.

What the heck, a Hunter valve? Who in their right mind would use them? I have some experience with Hunter 2" PGV valves, their latching solenoids & DCV controllers:dizzy:, I don't recall that the seat was removable having had to spin a couple out and replace them due to damage.

Duekster
05-28-2012, 10:40 AM
What the heck, a Hunter valve? Who in their right mind would use them? I have some experience with Hunter 2" PGV valves, their latching solenoids & DCV controllers:dizzy:, I don't recall that the seat was removable having had to spin a couple out and replace them due to damage.

We are talking about rebuilding them.

jvanvliet
05-28-2012, 10:55 AM
We are talking about rebuilding them.

I'll swap out the guts in a heart beat as opposed to spinning them out, but when the seat is damaged, I don't recall being able to swap that out while leaving the body in place.

Duekster
05-28-2012, 10:58 AM
I'll swap out the guts in a heart beat as opposed to spinning them out, but when the seat is damaged, I don't recall being able to swap that out while leaving the body in place.

It seems I was thinking of the support.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 10:59 AM
you all argue semantics on here way to much....

Duekster
05-28-2012, 11:01 AM
you all argue semantics on here way to much....

This seems true but the fact of the matter, you have to call things by the correct name to avoid misunderstandings.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 11:04 AM
you are totally right...

but the thing is that I really don't care enough to put that much thought into it..

Duekster
05-28-2012, 11:21 AM
you are totally right...

but the thing is that I really don't care enough to put that much thought into it..

You should for many reasons including it is your job but I also I agree with you too. it is kind of a pita to describe every single part of a valve when you say, I just take a new one and replace everything except the body and it turns in to a long debate about specific part names. I am surprised I was not quizzed on the spring gage and metallurgy. :laugh:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 11:23 AM
sometimes its just to much...

Honestly Lawnsite irrigation forum can be summed up as:

"lets see what you can do, I can do it better, and mine will look nicer.

Duekster
05-28-2012, 11:24 AM
sometimes its just to much...

Honestly Lawnsite irrigation forum can be summed up as:

"lets see what you can do, I can do it better, and mine will look nicer.

Lots of that for sure but on the otherhand, I have been helpped more than once when stumped
:clapping:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 11:37 AM
Oh I owe a ton of people on here for some of my knowledge.

Sometimes I think the "helping" aspect of the site here takes second tier to overly critical analysis of the " i can do it better guys"..

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 11:39 AM
more like jealousy from geezers towards the kids whose knees still work :p

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 11:40 AM
Oh snap...Oh no he didn't!!!!!!


hows it going bootz?

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 11:55 AM
slowly is how it goes - turned on the AC for the first time yesterday

greenmonster304
05-28-2012, 12:11 PM
Hey rotor you hiting the beach today? I am taking they boy claming after lunch then heading to the beach for the late afternoon to beat the weekend crowd and BBQ.
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Duekster
05-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Hey rotor you hiting the beach today? I am taking they boy claming after lunch then heading to the beach for the late afternoon to beat the weekend crowd and BBQ.
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What kind of clam, how deep are they? The BBQ, I like weber better......

:laugh:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 12:16 PM
Today the fiancee wants me to install AC in our bedroom....same as it ever was..

I just need to find out where i can buy some of that squishy tape that sticks to the sides of the window to limit heat coming in/cold going out.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 12:17 PM
GM- today im stuck watching the dogs and studying for my CIC exam that is for tomorrow..

:( not much fun....I still pissed I failed my CLIA by 4 points....BULL...
We had steemers yesterday...The old lady made a sick broth...GM- your not on cape are ya?

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 12:23 PM
If you dig up soft-shell clams at the shore, are you worried about eating them, and how long do you take to purge them of sand and what-not?

greenmonster304
05-28-2012, 12:24 PM
What kind of clam, how deep are they? The BBQ, I like weber better......

:laugh:

I guess you would call them cherrystone clams. They about 6" under the mud in waist deep water at low tide. Looks like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk8v-yRYdyg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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greenmonster304
05-28-2012, 12:28 PM
If you dig up soft-shell clams at the shore, are you worried about eating them, and how long do you take to purge them of sand and what-not?

I am not worried and most are free of sand because they live in mud not sand. I am not much for raw clams but my old man eats them while digging them.

Rotor: I won't be on the cape until the end of summer the week befor labor day.
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jvanvliet
05-28-2012, 12:50 PM
you all argue semantics on here way to much....

True, some do. But sometimes, without the correct semantics, it's difficult to understand intent.

I knew you weren't going to spin out a valve under dirty water... How you do your business vs. me or anybody else; is your business. Down here, we don't do it like everybody else thinks we should, but I don't really give a rats pahotee.

It's a different environment, different culture and different professional norms. Some things are universal, but others unique to the locale.

I'm always flabbergasted at what is to me tinker toy 3/4" valves, 5/8 inch water meters and 3/4" DPVB's, etc. At the same time other people don't quite understand the common use of indexing valves down here and pooh pooh them.

Our small agricultural irrigation is vastly different than it is out in the Midwest, or west coast, so what? What works here, doesn't have to work everywhere else.

I have learned a tremendous amount on this site, including the nomenclature of professional irrigation specialists. It appears that each region has it's own language that is commonly used. It's easy for others to get confused, some take it to the extreme.

If I've offended you, I apologize. :drinkup:

Were having

Pulled pork; beer; beans; beer; tater salad; beer; brisket; beer; hot dogs; beer; hamburgers; beer; water melon & did I shay beer? :usflag:

Thanks you Bill Clement, John Conlon, Francis Byrne, Ken Eubank, Lou LaPresti, Jan Kozijnze, Jaakob van Snoeren for paying the ultimate price to keep us free. To you and to all who served, bled and died. To all who stand on the wall even today watching over us, my heart felt gratitude!

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 12:55 PM
big thing in supermarkets these days are "mahogany clams" ~ anyone cook them often?

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 01:03 PM
jvan- I never have been offendended from a internet message board.
no worries...

I do realize that My descriptions of things always sucks...But mostly im to tired to put the effort into wording things properly.

Sometimes the words even come out of my mouth backwards...dislexic or what ever it is...

greenmonster304
05-28-2012, 02:29 PM
we had a good time and the water was nice and warm.

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 02:39 PM
chowdah time!!

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 02:39 PM
your boy is getting huge!!!

Wet_Boots
05-28-2012, 02:43 PM
t'weren't but knee-high to a turtle not long ago :)

jvanvliet
05-28-2012, 05:19 PM
jvan- I never have been offendended from a internet message board.
no worries...

I do realize that My descriptions of things always sucks...But mostly im to tired to put the effort into wording things properly.

Sometimes the words even come out of my mouth backwards...dislexic or what ever it is...

Start steaming those clams in beer :)

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-28-2012, 07:43 PM
that sounds like a good idea

greenmonster304
05-28-2012, 08:40 PM
Start steaming those clams in beer :)

took them to the beach and just through them on the grill for a minute till they popped open and then dipped in melted butter. They were a tasty appetizer.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 07:12 AM
Had some little necks 2 days ago..not bad yummy...

Now its time to get going into Boston for the CIC exam..boo.

Wet_Boots
05-29-2012, 07:57 AM
Good luck, dude. Thumbs Up

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 10:04 AM
City traffic sucks thank god this is south boston
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Mike Leary
05-29-2012, 10:50 AM
Knock 'um dead, Ed.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 07:45 PM
I got 62 % :( needed a 75 or 70....

Eh in all honesty I thought my first round of scores would be way less....

Not bad all and all.

See you in 3 months IA~!

Mike Leary
05-29-2012, 07:54 PM
I got 62 % :( needed a 75 or 70....

Eh in all honesty I thought my first round of scores would be way less....

Not bad all and all.

See you in 3 months IA~!

Do they tell you what you flakked-up on?

HokieAg07
05-29-2012, 08:17 PM
I got 62 % :( needed a 75 or 70....

Eh in all honesty I thought my first round of scores would be way less....

Not bad all and all.

See you in 3 months IA~!

Eddie, if you think you are going to do poorly you are surely going to do poorly.

The CIC and CLIA are difficult but are totally passable on the first try if you apply yourself and are confident in your ability to pass.

IMHO you have a poor attitude about it.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 08:17 PM
sections yes, questions no..


I need to review my osha again and business practices, and also step up the numbers as always.

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 08:22 PM
Hokie- My attitude actually improves my score no doubt..

My entire life I have never been a good test taker, doctors pumped me with all those designer learn more drugs, they helped but i was a poor test taker through and through..

My attitude is always positive...you kidding 62% is a great score for someone like me..I'm actually pretty excited about it cause I know I can build off that...

I can see how other would see my "bad attitude" towards tests but its just the truth..

I'm a realist, I know I won't pass the first time..Better chance the second time, but either way I know I'm going to pass so honestly I'm not worried about it..I find being relaxed while taking a test is better than worrying about the pass/ fail..

The bottom line is I will get it....as we speak I'm studying clia...I just don't give up...
never have, never will..

Wet_Boots
05-29-2012, 08:26 PM
I bet you forgot all the useful discussions we've had about stagnant pressure :)

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-29-2012, 08:29 PM
actually I did fairly well in hydraulics...

PR/ET/inches per acre is what I need to work on as usual....

DanaMac
05-29-2012, 08:30 PM
I was never great at taking tests either. Love to learn, but I have a tough time remembering numbers, dates, and formulas. I'm sure it's one reason i stayed away from college. I would like to take some college business and accounting classes, but not to get a degree, just to learn a little more.

Keep your head up, give em hell next time.

Mike Leary
05-29-2012, 08:59 PM
You'll figure this thing out, Edward, we have faith in you, and if you fuckitup one more time, we'll drive to Boston and beat the crap out of you.

1idejim
05-29-2012, 09:08 PM
You'll figure this thing out, Edward, we have faith in you, and if you fuckitup one more time, we'll drive to Boston and beat the crap out of you.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

irritation
05-29-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how this is his first valve to replace / rebuild?

Mike Leary
05-29-2012, 09:31 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how this is his first valve to replace / rebuild?

I.A. regs have changed. The new regs say, "If you remove the bonnet and don't change-out the diaphragm, you get the gold star."

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-30-2012, 06:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how this is his first valve to replace / rebuild?

Its the first one I ever have done with not being able to see anything..

In a muddy ditch...she sealed up too...I know some dirt got in there but its a WM, so it's pretty tough..

right mike.?

Mike Leary
05-30-2012, 06:39 PM
Its the first one I ever have done with not being able to see anything..

In a muddy ditch...she sealed up too...I know some dirt got in there but its a WM, so it's pretty tough..

right mike.?

Like I said, a reverse flow W*M will pass everything except a small car. I do hope you took a GOOD look at that diaphragm.:nono:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-30-2012, 06:54 PM
Diaphragm was fine yes I looked at it..

thanks dad :)

Duekster
05-30-2012, 07:28 PM
Diaphragm was fine yes I looked at it..

thanks dad :)
Labor is too high to mess around with those things except in an emergency but then you go back and rebuild the guts. Bill on the same invoice.

Trust me, two invoices on the same item never builds client trust. :hammerhead:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-30-2012, 08:51 PM
we have the clients trust and will always have it...

we are the best around, best customer service ect.

Why replace a good diaphragm? Futhermore the one killing the trust is the large excavation company who laughs every time I come back to fix the main and wire they trashed for the 5th time...

1idejim
05-30-2012, 08:53 PM
we have the clients trust and will always have it...

we are the best around, best customer service ect.

Why replace a good diaphragm? Futhermore the one killing the trust is the large excavation company who laughs every time I come back to fix the main and wire they trashed for the 5th time...

how are they trashing the mainline ed? digging through it?

Duekster
05-31-2012, 08:35 AM
we have the clients trust and will always have it...

we are the best around, best customer service ect.

Why replace a good diaphragm? Futhermore the one killing the trust is the large excavation company who laughs every time I come back to fix the main and wire they trashed for the 5th time...

The contractor should be paying for it them. Charge them till they stop laughing. :laugh:

Kiril
05-31-2012, 09:02 AM
The contractor should be paying for it them. Charge them till they stop laughing. :laugh:

Let's assume the line was installed correctly to begin with, then I would agree.

jvanvliet
05-31-2012, 04:57 PM
The contracter should have consulted the irrigation company;

Duekster
05-31-2012, 06:33 PM
we have the clients trust and will always have it...

we are the best around, best customer service ect.

Why replace a good diaphragm? Futhermore the one killing the trust is the large excavation company who laughs every time I come back to fix the main and wire they trashed for the 5th time...

Not trying to be rude here but you said you changed the valve in the thread title but you just cleaned it. What did you put on the invoice?

Did you wax it too :laugh:

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 07:01 PM
Not trying to be rude here but you said you changed the valve in the thread title but you just cleaned it. What did you put on the invoice?

Did you wax it too :laugh:

It's o.k. to be rude here, as long as a point is made. That was what I was asking to ROTAR: "wtf did you do?". If a diaphragm (even reverse flow) has taken rocks, you'd damn well replace it! I'd bet is was a cold call, he had no parts, was ordered to "fix it". "Change a valve", indeed. :laugh: :hammerhead:

1idejim
05-31-2012, 07:13 PM
It's o.k. to be rude here, as long as a point is made. That was what I was asking to ROTAR: "wtf did you do?". If a diaphragm (even reverse flow) has taken rocks, you'd damn well replace it! I'd bet is was a cold call, he had no parts, was ordered to "fix it". "Change a valve", indeed. :laugh: :hammerhead:

you know eddie has his own language.

Duekster
05-31-2012, 07:13 PM
Given a contractor damaged the system.... It would be better than new for my client. I made enemy's with other contractors but I represent my client, in many cases I own it with the exception of these types of damages.

I would be flushing every valve... the entire system would be checked for debris. The contractor would laugh no more.

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 07:17 PM
Given a contractor damaged the system.... It would be better than new for my client. I made enemy's with other contractors but I represent my client, in many cases I own it with the exception of these types of damages.

I would be flushing every valve... the entire system would be checked for debris. The contractor would laugh no more.

Agreed, I would have come out of my socks (which I have, when I got "the call".) Eddie's not ready for prime time, and his boss is a horse's ass. :hammerhead:

1idejim
05-31-2012, 07:19 PM
Given a contractor damaged the system.... It would be better than new for my client. I made enemy's with other contractors but I represent my client, in many cases I own it with the exception of these types of damages.

I would be flushing every valve... the entire system would be checked for debris. The contractor would laugh no more.

laughing in cases like this is just flat rude (asskicking rude) but if the mainline was installed at the correct depth and the trench backfilled properly a 20,000 lb backhoe wouldn't bother it unless the ground was too wet to be driving on.

i agree with the flushing and inspections required to protect the system

Duekster
05-31-2012, 07:21 PM
Agreed, I would have come out of my socks (which I have, when I got "the call".) Eddie's not ready for prime time, and his boss is a horse's ass. :hammerhead:


I dunno about all that but mud in an system is a major problem. It typically goes up stream and can clog heads and such.

Heaven forbid there is drip in the system.

jvanvliet
05-31-2012, 07:24 PM
laughing in cases like this is just flat rude (asskicking rude) but if the mainline was installed at the correct depth and the trench backfilled properly a 20,000 lb backhoe wouldn't bother it unless the ground was too wet to be driving on.

i agree with the flushing and inspections required to protect the system

*trucewhiteflag**trucewhiteflag**trucewhiteflag*

HA! Cmon down here Jim, and meet some of the kings of FUBAR!

The contracter should have checked in the same manner he would have called "No Cuts" or whatever tracing service ya'll have out there. It's obvious to me the contracter is a moron tearing up pipe.

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 07:26 PM
If a system gets compromised, you could have crap all over the place. I walked (ran) from a major break (other contractor caused) on a cold call where the owner (dork) said, "when will this ever end".

1idejim
05-31-2012, 07:28 PM
*trucewhiteflag**trucewhiteflag**trucewhiteflag*

HA! Cmon down here Jim, and meet some of the kings of FUBAR!

The contracter should have checked in the same manner he would have called "No Cuts" or whatever tracing service ya'll have out there. It's obvious to me the contracter is a moron tearing up pipe.

it can't be that bad there j, old people live in florida and they have dogs. :laugh:

btw, no public locating on private property, the locate is on the contractors dime

jvanvliet
05-31-2012, 07:31 PM
it can't be that bad there j, old people live in florida and they have dogs. :laugh:

Seeing eye dogs and walkers they use to drive, most of them are building contractors or inspectors :p

1idejim
05-31-2012, 07:33 PM
Seeing eye dogs and walkers they use to drive, most of them are building contractors or inspectors :p

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Duekster
05-31-2012, 07:52 PM
If a system gets compromised, you could have crap all over the place. I walked (ran) from a major break (other contractor caused) on a cold call where the owner (dork) said, "when will this ever end".

Seen it happen, particularly in a main line break on a looped main.

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 07:55 PM
Seen it happen, particularly in a main line break on a looped main.

Then the phone call comes: "Your guys were out here the other day, said they fixed the problem and now nothing works, what kind of siimeballs are you?"

Duekster
05-31-2012, 08:17 PM
Then the phone call comes: "Your guys were out here the other day, said they fixed the problem and now nothing works, what kind of siimeballs are you?"

Sad but more or less true. I will note sometimes that mud got in the system and it could cause problems. Hard to charge the contractor or client however after the fact.

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 08:27 PM
Hard to charge the contractor or client however after the fact.

You don't. Call for a complete inspection, especially if it's YOUR system. It's not your problem, it's between the "other" contactor and the client. I've had clients say, "fix it and send the contractor the bill" NOT :hammerhead:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-31-2012, 08:33 PM
how are they trashing the mainline ed? digging through it?


Well these really wealthy people are putting a squash court in their guest house basement..so they had to pour a forum, haul in 100 yards of rocks and do pump stations cause they are so close to water...Needless to say our main and wire went right over the area where they had to haul material ie rocks, forums, cement mixers, back ho's.

only place where we could have our mainline come across as a temp hook up for the plants was right in the way...not a 3/4 piece of plywood could save any of it..So the wheels and back ho's keep destroying our pipe, jaming rocks, dirt ect into the main...

I really just wanted to leave it off but Landscaper insisted he have water to certain areas.

So like a good soldier I keep going back time after time to fix breaks and flush valves.

No pics of the direct area at the moment but ill get some, I'm sure I'll be back there soon enough..

Underneath here is the squash court
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4865.jpg

As I'm sure most of you all do check the BF or meter or well to make sure there is no flow moving unknowingly before you leave a job..Well when I was there I did this check cause there is a lot at stake if I screw up my job...

15+ gpm uncontrolled into this area would piss off a ton of contractors and possibly hurt someone...Well there was blown pipe 4 feet down under this area where the pump truck was cleaning out their mix.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3217.jpg

bad pic but after excavation and removal of cement
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9125.jpg

Check out the 1.25 poly blown to sh!t.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3364.jpg

final pics of their work to come later
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_0153-1.jpg

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-31-2012, 09:16 PM
Oh Dukester your right I totally didn't change out sh!t..

took it apart and put it back together...Couldn't be anymore right.I really don't care either way but honestly you all pick apart words to much..


I honestly think I'm going to start wording much more wrong so you all have something to pick apart when you get bored...

Cheers and have fun with that!

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 09:24 PM
Oh Dukester your right I totally didn't change out sh!t..

Sad, really sad. :cry:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-31-2012, 09:30 PM
Whats sad I used the wrong word in my title?

I mean dude you sit on Lawnsite all day, posting form some tin can..

You want to talk about sad?

Sprinkus
05-31-2012, 09:55 PM
The pipe can't be installed in a sleeve pipe until the construction is finished?

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-31-2012, 09:58 PM
I installed it in some sch 40 conduit twice so far...but the big pump trucks keep shredding it when they get their tires stuck in the soft pack.

HokieAg07
05-31-2012, 10:09 PM
Oh Dukester your right I totally didn't change out sh!t..

took it apart and put it back together...Couldn't be anymore right.I really don't care either way but honestly you all pick apart words to much..


I honestly think I'm going to start wording much more wrong so you all have something to pick apart when you get bored...

Cheers and have fun with that!


No we dont pick apart words too much, the words have vastly different meanings!

Change valve out means you changed the valve, ie, replace

Rebuild valve - disassemble valve and replace internal parts/bonnet etc

All you did was disassemble the valve and put it back together..

You may think word choice is just a simple technicality when in reality it is of the utmost importance.

Mike Leary
05-31-2012, 10:17 PM
You may think word choice is just a simple technicality when in reality it is of the utmost importance.

Eddie stepped deep into it this time. Hopefully, he'll get the program one of these days. ::Withdraws "Boss Hoss" nomination.::::cry:

CAPT Stream Rotar
05-31-2012, 11:01 PM
Deep down guys it really doesn't bother my..

I speak the same way...Dyslexic i suppose...that would explain a lot..


after 5 seasons my current boss knows and understands what I mean when I speak...

irritation
05-31-2012, 11:04 PM
Maybe tomorrow you can change your first head.

1idejim
05-31-2012, 11:31 PM
Eddie has his own language boss, done said that. i do speak eddie though so maybe thats the difference. as far as these guys not being able to bridge the mainline is BS even i have military surplus helo pads. Cool mats that look like egg crate. they dont weigh much. bolt together and have handles. we have used these for years without issue.
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DanaMac
05-31-2012, 11:33 PM
as far as these guys not being able to bridge the mainline is BS even i have military surplus helo pads. Cool mats that look like egg crate. they dont weigh much. bolt together and have handles. we have used these for years without issue.
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Agreed. If they can't find a way to support and bridge over the known pipe area, they don't know what their doing. By now, I would have doubled my hourly rate to keep on returning for the same issue over and over again, when it could have been prevented.

Duekster
06-01-2012, 02:07 AM
Oh Dukester your right I totally didn't change out sh!t..

took it apart and put it back together...Couldn't be anymore right.I really don't care either way but honestly you all pick apart words to much..


I honestly think I'm going to start wording much more wrong so you all have something to pick apart when you get bored...

Cheers and have fun with that!

Take heart when people are actually trying to help. This is a residential job so I suspect the contractor has some sort of not responsible for un-known / unmarked utilities. However they are known now if they keep breaking the same line.