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loganshardscape
12-25-2002, 10:56 PM
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Anybody involved in Hardscaping. I am curious what the current prices are around the country for installations. Also has anyone gotten involved in renovations and maintenance of pavers yet, the up and coming trend, so I hear.

kris
12-26-2002, 10:04 AM
Welcome to the board.

You may have a hard time getting prices here ... I for one don't like doing it for a number of reasons.

As for paver renovations/maintenance I know of one fellow in Ontario that re-levels..cleans...seals. This is all he does and seems to do quite well at it.

AGLA
12-27-2002, 09:09 AM
In my area prices range widely. There are lots of ways people run their operations. Some go after anything and everything in a hit and run manner, others are just starting out and want to get the work, others are well established and have a specific niche that they work in, and everything in between.

I hear of guys putting in pavers from $9 SF to $16 a SF. There is no consistancy here at all. We are still going pretty strongly in lconstruction here. Many more landscapers do this work than did a few years ago because there was such a demand for it.

The established companies always got top dollar for it and have not changed. Newer companies have done well because the prices were kind of set. Start ups that are looking to gain skills and are trying to get established are charging less to get work.

Some companies can install pavers, but have no sense of design or layout, or they may be weak in other areas of total landscaping.

This is why the established companies will always get top dollar. The people that can afford it want one stop shopping, womb to the tomb landscaping. They want to meet with someone that has an established reputation, a nice portfolio of built work, nicely drawn plans, vision to see what can be made of a site, and the ability to construct it. That is when the cost per square foot is a smaller issue to the client. The client understands that he is getting more than square feet of pavers for his money. That is when higher prices are established and accepted.

There are companies that do nothing, but hardscape. These are often hired by the client that wants to hire out each piece of his landscape and get the best for the buck out of each. Usually another landscaper will not hire a sub. These clients are usually a pain because they want to be a general contractor but have no clue and can not coordinate the subs. These hardscapers are in a good position because they are efficient and carry a lower overhead. They are recognized as specialists and can get good money.

Many times landscapers talk about establishing standard prices. The problem is that it is not usually the exact same thing that someone gets from one 'scaper to another. The guys that most think they would benefit will probably be the last to get the job.

There are a ton of different client needs in both the physical and budget sense. Thankfully, there are different landscapers that are able to serve each one and make money at it.

Most landscapers here, and there are plenty, are two to five workers. They do everything from mowing and maintenance to patios and retaining walls. The problem is that they are all equiped for everything (higher overhead) and they are inefficient because they have to keep changing what they are doing from job to job. They also have revolving door help which makes it hard to develop and maintain skills. These guys are all over the place on pricing and quality.

...I guess I should stop.