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DanaMac
06-01-2012, 01:37 PM
Will explain a little more in another thread. Do any of you have a standard boilerplate agreement that I can use, for work on a commercial site? New building, lots wrong, long punch list, and they have called me to fix it. I am looking for a standard agreement form to email them (I can modify with my info) with my rates, expectations, and so forth. Much appreciated if I can use one. Thanks.

Mike Leary
06-01-2012, 03:01 PM
Have you done a survey of the system?

DanaMac
06-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Have you done a survey of the system?

Sure did. Will give an analysis of it this weekend. But I need some kind of agreement form to cover my ass. I don't typically work on commercial stuff like this, where I'm hired to fix everyone else's screw ups. Been quite a while. Should be fun though. First two wire system for me, and one zone ain't working. Pretty sure I found the issue though. Lots more to fix and add - flow sensor, rain sensor, indicator heads and flush valves for netafim zones.

Anyone? Anyone?

Mike Leary
06-01-2012, 03:16 PM
Sure did. Will give an analysis of it this weekend. But I need some kind of agreement form to cover my ass. I don't typically work on commercial stuff like this, where I'm hired to fix everyone else's screw ups. Been quite a while. Should be fun though. First two wire system for me, and one zone ain't working. Pretty sure I found the issue though. Lots more to fix and add - flow sensor, rain sensor, indicator heads and flush valves for netafim zones.

Anyone? Anyone?

You're going to do some investing, unless you have a clamp-meter already. What brand is the two-wire system?

DanaMac
06-01-2012, 03:19 PM
You're going to do some investing, unless you have a clamp-meter already. What brand is the two-wire system?

Have a clamp meter, two actually. The valve in question most likely has the wrong decoder installed. Should be 17, when it is 16. Should be able to install the correct decoder, which they have there, or reassign this one. Hunter ACC system.

Mike Leary
06-01-2012, 03:33 PM
I've re-done a couple of screwed-up Maxi systems, and could only estimate the scope-of-work. Will you take-on this site as part of your service clients? Does it have a remote? I really don't see how a boiler plate will do any good until you know what needs to be done, and even then, who knows? Did they call every sprinkler guy in Colorado Springs? That would be a tip-off. Good luck, I could be there in three days. :)

Kiril
06-01-2012, 03:44 PM
Good luck, I could be there in three days. :)

To fix the screw ups of fixing the screw ups?

DanaMac
06-01-2012, 03:46 PM
I've re-done a couple of screwed-up Maxi systems, and could only estimate the scope-of-work. Will you take-on this site as part of your service clients? Does it have a remote? I really don't see how a boiler plate will do any good until you know what needs to be done, and even then, who knows? Did they call every sprinkler guy in Colorado Springs? That would be a tip-off. Good luck, I could be there in three days. :)

I was referred by one of the top landscapers in town. The install company is from Denver. I think they were referred by the guy inspecting it, since i had worked with him on another project before. I am the only company they called, that I know of. No remote, but I may try to find someone with a Hunter remote, since a regular universal TRC/RM won't work. I may see if I can borrow from a supply house.

I know what needs done, but some will be troubleshooting, so I can't give exact hours or dollar amounts.

I'm just looking for an agreement form, that I can say we are charging $xxx per hour, with a man hour range estimate. I am mainly looking for the legal-eeze verbage to cover my azz if they try to stiff me.

Mike Leary
06-01-2012, 04:02 PM
I'm just looking for an agreement form, that I can say we are charging $xxx per hour, with a man hour range estimate. I am mainly looking for the legal-eeze verbage to cover my azz if they try to stiff me.

My accountant found me one. A lot of stationary shops have a file of contracts. Be carefull, those commercial types are slow pays.

1idejim
06-01-2012, 04:18 PM
I would contact an arbitration specialist dana, they do this type of work on contract basis'. you need the correct language for your proposal if i am following you right.
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DanaMac
06-01-2012, 04:26 PM
It's a timing issue. I have to do the work Tues/Wed, and won't have time to meet with anybody.

I'll get something figured out. Thanks.

DanaMac
06-01-2012, 09:09 PM
You know who you are, thanks for the help! Appreciate the document. :clapping:

txirrigation
06-01-2012, 09:47 PM
The way I have always handled these is to make an as-build of what is installed, then do a new design of what will be done. Have them sign off on the plan as well as the estimate.

Irrigation Contractor
06-02-2012, 01:19 AM
I was referred by one of the top landscapers in town. The install company is from Denver. I think they were referred by the guy inspecting it, since i had worked with him on another project before. I am the only company they called, that I know of. No remote, but I may try to find someone with a Hunter remote, since a regular universal TRC/RM won't work. I may see if I can borrow from a supply house.

I know what needs done, but some will be troubleshooting, so I can't give exact hours or dollar amounts.

I'm just looking for an agreement form, that I can say we are charging $xxx per hour, with a man hour range estimate. I am mainly looking for the legal-eeze verbage to cover my azz if they try to stiff me.

I always say if I need the tool once I will need it again. Borrowing a remote? If this is your very first 2-wire system you better plan for some very long days of wire path trouble shooting.

DanaMac
06-02-2012, 08:58 AM
This is not going to be a long term project. 1.5 days for me, and 1 day for a helper. No continued service. So I'm not buying a remote for it. I can easily turn the valves on by hand. The one in question, is the closest valve to the POC and controller. Pretty positive they just put the wrong numbered decoder on.
Unfortunately, I can see that the contractor is wanting to get it done, get paid, be gone. Sounds like he has had trouble from the get go on this project, both on his side, from the GC, and due to other contractors. So, I am just wanting to get the punch list done for him, make some good coin, and get paid. And no, I'm not running away from it. Good learning site for two wire, and it shakes things up from the traditional residential jobs. If there are problems down the road, I wouldn't doubt if I get called back to take care of them, but I'm not counting on it. My continued work on it will depend on how quick I get paid.

Good thing is, it's walking distance through two parking lots to a local brewery! Beer:30, here we come!!

Irrigation Contractor
06-02-2012, 11:47 AM
This is not going to be a long term project. 1.5 days for me, and 1 day for a helper. No continued service. So I'm not buying a remote for it. I can easily turn the valves on by hand. The one in question, is the closest valve to the POC and controller. Pretty positive they just put the wrong numbered decoder on.
Unfortunately, I can see that the contractor is wanting to get it done, get paid, be gone. Sounds like he has had trouble from the get go on this project, both on his side, from the GC, and due to other contractors. So, I am just wanting to get the punch list done for him, make some good coin, and get paid. And no, I'm not running away from it. Good learning site for two wire, and it shakes things up from the traditional residential jobs. If there are problems down the road, I wouldn't doubt if I get called back to take care of them, but I'm not counting on it. My continued work on it will depend on how quick I get paid.

Good thing is, it's walking distance through two parking lots to a local brewery! Beer:30, here we come!!

If you come in quick and make the repairs, you will become the go to guy for that system most likely. So many are afraid of decoder systems which ends up being good for us now!! Good Luck to you.

DanaMac
06-02-2012, 11:50 AM
If you come in quick and make the repairs, you will become the go to guy for that system most likely. So many are afraid of decoder systems which ends up being good for us now!! Good Luck to you.

You know, I'm really looking forward to this actually. The majority of the work needed has nothing to do with the 2 wire aspect. Just one valve, and it should be easy to fix. But eventually, there will be problems. I guarantee it, due to the slap together work I'm seeing with it already. As long as I make my money, I have no problem with it.

Irrigation Contractor
06-02-2012, 12:15 PM
You know, I'm really looking forward to this actually. The majority of the work needed has nothing to do with the 2 wire aspect. Just one valve, and it should be easy to fix. But eventually, there will be problems. I guarantee it, due to the slap together work I'm seeing with it already. As long as I make my money, I have no problem with it.

That is what I am referring to especially with the system being poor quality. The reason why I say you will be there is the fact that ALL of the system we have taken over that are like yours have issues constantly.

Don't be afraid to get paid what you are worth on these!!

1idejim
06-02-2012, 12:24 PM
Sounds like the location could only be better IF it was at the brewery. crawling distance is a close second. best of luck dana
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Mike Leary
06-02-2012, 01:14 PM
Sounds like the location could only be better IF it was at the brewery. crawling distance is a close second. best of luck dana

So, is it the maintenance crew at that site that handles the irrigation? Why don't you sell them a service contract, or is it a pos? They were cash cows for us.

DanaMac
06-02-2012, 01:45 PM
So, is it the maintenance crew at that site that handles the irrigation? Why don't you sell them a service contract, or is it a pos? They were cash cows for us.

Not sure who is doing the maintenance, but I know that on most new installs for commercial, the installer has a one year conditional contract on that. After I get my feet wet on this, and talk with him more about it, I'll propose a once a month check up and adjustment to the controller, and shut down and blow out in the fall.

Question - I have to install a flow sensor just past the RP in the mainline, and it will be right before the quick coupler. If I blow out the system, and use the QC, will it blow back through the flow sensor? Is there a problem in this? I may see if I can install an iso valve if it's an issue.

Irrigation Contractor
06-02-2012, 02:21 PM
Not sure who is doing the maintenance, but I know that on most new installs for commercial, the installer has a one year conditional contract on that. After I get my feet wet on this, and talk with him more about it, I'll propose a once a month check up and adjustment to the controller, and shut down and blow out in the fall.

Question - I have to install a flow sensor just past the RP in the mainline, and it will be right before the quick coupler. If I blow out the system, and use the QC, will it blow back through the flow sensor? Is there a problem in this? I may see if I can install an iso valve if it's an issue.

The specs on the flow sensor require the upstream side to be 10X's the diameter of the pipe and 5X's for the downstream to have a clear and unobstructed path. (Basically no fittings etc. and straight pipe) This is to ensure good flow to the impeller.

Example: For a 2" pipe, you will need atleast 20" of straight, unobstructed pipe upstream of the sensor and at least 10" of straight, unobstructed pipe downstream from the sensor.

Mike Leary
06-02-2012, 02:41 PM
The specs on the flow sensor require the upstream side to be 10X's the diameter of the pipe and 5X's for the downstream to have a clear and unobstructed path. (Basically no fittings etc. and straight pipe) This is to ensure good flow to the impeller.

Example: For a 2" pipe, you will need atleast 20" of straight, unobstructed pipe upstream of the sensor and at least 10" of straight, unobstructed pipe downstream from the sensor.

Yup, you beat me to it. The way I did it, was, after the backflow: quick couple, master valve, flow sensor. It typically took a couple (or more) valve boxes to get the proper spacing for the flow sensor. I used RB "Maxi cable" for the FS connection to the clock. Speaking of clocks, what kind of clock is on that site?

DanaMac
06-02-2012, 02:52 PM
I believe there is enough wire coiled up that I can do that. I'll put it after the QC if possible.
Hunter ACC

1idejim
06-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Not sure who is doing the maintenance, but I know that on most new installs for commercial, the installer has a one year conditional contract on that. After I get my feet wet on this, and talk with him more about it, I'll propose a once a month check up and adjustment to the controller, and shut down and blow out in the fall.

Question - I have to install a flow sensor just past the RP in the mainline, and it will be right before the quick coupler. If I blow out the system, and use the QC, will it blow back through the flow sensor? Is there a problem in this? I may see if I can install an iso valve if it's an issue.

yes it will, isolate the FS:waving: