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facework84
06-01-2012, 09:29 PM
Ok guys,
This customer threw a curveball at me with this request for an estimate. I've never seen so many shrubs installed at one property before.

Background:

The customer bought the home to fix up and resell, and is trying to cleanup the landscape to make it less "scary" to potential homeowners. He told me to use my judgement as far as which to prune/remove to make it look cleaner. He wants me to cut out shrubs, spray/cover the roots, and prune the remaining shrubs as needed.

For disposal, he has a field behind the house where I can drag/tow the debris. I can squeeze through the rear gate with a lawn tractor, but not with a very wide load, so it will probably mostly be drug out by hand.

We will have a three man crew..

See the pics & captions below. I have circled in red the ones that are planned for removal.

In total, there are around 15 shrubs, a couple small trees, and a small amount of weeding.

Rear of the property.. vine thingy growing on wall
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/527255_4007564068549_1264609225_33639740_704130866_n.jpg

Rear.. small shrub to be remove
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/184590_4007564908570_1466135397_n.jpg

Rear. In this corner, there are actually 6 shrubs like this. Very overgrown mess. Will probably cut out every other shrub, leaving three behind.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/576859_4007565308580_1264609225_33639742_889245607_n.jpg

On the left is one of the shrubs mentioned in the pic above. To the far right is more of a small tree that needs to be removed.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/205374_4007566268604_1264609225_33639743_1965778034_n.jpg

Better picture of the small tree pictured above, as well as another small tree to the right. Its hard to tell, but the back door is between the two trees.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/403531_4007566988622_1264609225_33639745_1424535448_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/553497_4007567868644_951516144_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/601357_4007568788667_1121583917_n.jpg

Front of the house.. self explanatory with the circles. I think it will look way cleaner and less crowded with all of these removed.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/208874_4007571708740_1264609225_33639748_1354531938_n.jpg

Another view of the front
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/537584_4007572308755_1264609225_33639749_1550256270_n.jpg

These two circled are growing into the shrubs in front of them, as well as being crowded right against the home.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/292656_4007572828768_1264609225_33639750_1710172352_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542929_4007573188777_1264609225_33639751_831579974_n.jpg

alldayrj
06-01-2012, 11:03 PM
Put the forks on the skid steer and bring one guy. 800 bucks
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JB1
06-01-2012, 11:06 PM
thats one of them where you don't know where to start or stop, rip it all out.

lazor-cut
06-01-2012, 11:36 PM
yupp RJ is right skid steer...
I use a Choke chain. (the harder you pull the higher is wraps around the base of the bush or tree.

facework84
06-01-2012, 11:58 PM
don't think you can get into the back yard with a skid steer..

what about one of those choke chain things attached to a walk behind? could that work?

lazor-cut
06-02-2012, 12:11 AM
don't think you can get into the back yard with a skid steer..

what about one of those choke chain things attached to a walk behind? could that work?

Yeah just make sure u have a new trans on deck....
You have any buddies with a dingo? or atv?
If nothing else cutting everything off at the ground wouldnt be too bad.

lazor-cut
06-02-2012, 12:12 AM
Tell them that fence looks ugly and outdated and rip that out too.

facework84
06-02-2012, 12:22 AM
I was thinking about cutting them out, spraying the roots with a stump killer formula, and covering them with black plastic. Seems like the easiest method for me, and cheapest method for the customer. He isn't looking to get it super spiffy and spend a fortune. Then maybe I could do measurements and talk him into a mulch job

Should this keep them from coming back? Only concern with the chemicals is the dog in the back yard


@lazor-cut.. thank for that. made me laugh
:clapping:

chavezw16
06-02-2012, 03:07 AM
We have done lots of shrub removal like that the easiest way I have found is a mini excavator. It will probably take about 30-45 minutes per shrub. just stick the bucket at the base of the root ball and dig it up, it usually comes out in one big piece. they do make the mini excavators pretty narrow to fit through the back gate

grandview (2006)
06-02-2012, 05:57 AM
Most of that stuff is small and you can just use a shovel to get them out.

facework84
06-02-2012, 06:14 PM
thanx for the input guys. @chavez, thanks for that #, made me feel a little more confident about my proposed bid. I was actually thinking 10-15 man hours.

I am going to meet the customer on site and talk to him Monday. If he approves the bid, i will let you guys know how it goes, as well as how long it took. thanks
-Antoni

Get Some...
06-02-2012, 07:54 PM
We have done lots of shrub removal like that the easiest way I have found is a mini excavator. It will probably take about 30-45 minutes per shrub. just stick the bucket at the base of the root ball and dig it up, it usually comes out in one big piece. they do make the mini excavators pretty narrow to fit through the back gate

That must be a super MINI....:)

metro36
06-02-2012, 08:28 PM
Mini ex with a thumb would be my first choice but it that is not available, I would use a sawzall with a 12" blade and just cut everything below the ground. Then spray with stump killer. Some of the small stuff should come out with a shovel.

Kelly's Landscaping
06-02-2012, 08:53 PM
There is very little in those pics I could take that out myself with a shovel and grub axe in 5 hours including loading the truck. Rip out some 50-60 year old yews and them come talk to me about what constitutes a hard ripping job.

32vld
06-02-2012, 10:30 PM
Ripping out shrubs will leave large open spaces in the beds.

How does leaving open spaces in the beds improve the look if the proprety?

Are you going to make the beds smaller?

Then you have to seed reclamimed areas from the beds, more work more costs.

Your customer wants to make the place look nicer and not spend a lot of money.

From the pictures I saw the fastest easiest way is to cut back and reshape all the trees and shrubs. No new lawn work, no throwing off the balance of the beds by taking out shrubs, no hard work digging out plants.

Tanum
06-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Mini digger.. end of. Re number of shrubs, there are usually a lot more in gardens over in Ireland. We are the emerald Isle for a reason...

Weekend cut easymoney
06-05-2012, 08:03 PM
Most of that stuff is small and you can just use a shovel to get them out.

Shovel? you mean shovel on the backhoe? :confused:

we're not equipped to do it the old fashioned way--

might have to go consult with old timers.....BOOTS could prob. tell a couple of stories about digging...

chavezw16
06-05-2012, 08:20 PM
it takes 30-45 minutes per shrub to dig out, haul away debris, repair bed and clean up,the actual digging part doesnt take but a couple minutes. good luck but dont just start taking out bushes take out a couple and then see how everything looks.A little bit goes a long way.

Weekend cut easymoney
06-05-2012, 08:28 PM
Seriously.....with a pick, spade shovel and prybar most of those would come out in less than 15-20 mins...
i'd cut the tall ones down so you can work around them....leave the trunk so you can use that as a lever to break any small roots below the ground-

Smallaxe
06-06-2012, 07:56 AM
I was thinking about cutting them out, spraying the roots with a stump killer formula, and covering them with black plastic. Seems like the easiest method for me, and cheapest method for the customer. He isn't looking to get it super spiffy and spend a fortune. Then maybe I could do measurements and talk him into a mulch job

Should this keep them from coming back? Only concern with the chemicals is the dog in the back yard


@lazor-cut.. thank for that. made me laugh
:clapping:

Cutting them off is the smartest way to go because it doesn't disturb the soil and create another mess to fix... paint the chemical on the stump and the dogs will be fine...

I do however disagree that most of the shrubs need to be irradicated... this landscape was done on purpose and severe pruning could make it look good again, whereas just ripping it out makes it barren and ugly, becuz it is an ugly house to begin with... there are things too close to the foundation that need to come out...

Weekend cut easymoney
06-06-2012, 05:59 PM
I do however disagree that most of the shrubs need to be irradicated... this landscape was done on purpose and severe pruning could make it look good again, whereas just ripping it out makes it barren and ugly, becuz it is an ugly house to begin with... there are things too close to the foundation that need to come out...

I agree--a good haircut will make that yard look really nice...though its what the customer wants...go do it nad make the money and move on-

facework84
06-06-2012, 10:05 PM
thanx for the input guys.

the customer and i decided to do somewhat of a mixture of ripping out/pruning things, and less ripping :)

will get most of it done friday. like i said, i will be sure to post after pics and let you know our method & manhours used

ed2hess
06-07-2012, 09:32 PM
I was thinking about cutting them out, spraying the roots with a stump killer formula, and covering them with black plastic. Seems like the easiest method for me, and cheapest method for the customer. He isn't looking to get it super spiffy and spend a fortune. Then maybe I could do measurements and talk him into a mulch job

Should this keep them from coming back? Only concern with the chemicals is the dog in the back yard


@lazor-cut.. thank for that. made me laugh
:clapping:

A bunch of bad ideas in there.....if you think they want a cheap job just tell them you are going to chainsaw them and load em up in the old trailer. If they want them dug out then it will be a lot more. They will opt for chain saw. Weed wack em if they come up.

lazor-cut
06-07-2012, 11:08 PM
A bunch of bad ideas in there.....if you think they want a cheap job just tell them you are going to chainsaw them and load em up in the old trailer. If they want them dug out then it will be a lot more. They will opt for chain saw. Weed wack em if they come up.

I apologize but i dont believe it your "trim it, and forget it theory."

I do it right the first time so i dont have to ever worry about it later down the road...It tends to be less work too!
I've done many jobs where i could of just done it right the first time opposed to coming back out 3 months later to do the same job over again!

For instance, Customer wanted to me put up a retaining garden around a old tree stump. She "supposedly" sprayed the stump and told me to go for it.
Backfilled the wall with 2 yards of dirt to level the bed with the top of the wall...Then 6 months later 5 mini trees poked out of the soil.... Roots were busting the wall from all the water they had gotten. Ened up having to redo the wall after we took the stump out.