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JDGlandscape
06-10-2012, 06:38 PM
I am about to have a custom enclosed trailer built and I need some opinions about a couple things.

It is going to have the dual 5200 lb axles, springs not torsion, gray screwless exterior, two interior lights, two roof vents, LED Taillights, 16" on center TUBE wall and roof framing, door holdback on side door, four recessed d-rings, and the rear ramp.

I originally was going to get an 8.5x16/18. 16 feet with a two foot V.

But now I am thinking I might get an 8.5x18/20. 18 with a 2 foot v. I want the extra space to be able to get a third big mower on it but I am not sure if i want the extra length for the places I sometimes travel. especially since sometimes i travel around with only one of the ztrs..

Questions-

1. would an 8.5x18/20 be the overall same length as an 18' flat nose? just with the V taking up more of the tongue space?

2. Would you recommend a 16 or 18? Right now I can easily get away with the 16' because I travel with a 52" ztr and a 48" walkbehind and a push mower, but I am thinking I will grow into the 18'. I plan on getting a gravely 460 and I think my lazer z hp, 460, and walkbehind will fit in the 18 but not the 16.. I have also read a very common answer on this site about what size trailer to get, "get the biggest size your truck can tow"... hmm that means i should be getting a 40' enclosed three axle gooseneck trailer with my diesels haha

3. This is the biggest most important question I have to ask, out of everyone who has the enclosed trailer, how many have the extended tongue? I didnt plan on getting this but after extensive searching on this site i have had some people say it is not needed, and then some people say it absolutely is.. I will be hauling this with a f350 dump and a pickup

I do have a few small driveways and tight areas to get into so that is why i originally wanted the 16' because its less weight to always haul around, less money to buy, and easier to manuever.

If i do get the 18 i will have a lot of extra space for the first couple seasons..

Sorry about yet another enclosed trailer post, I have been reading them for the past week with the search function and i still find new ones..:dizzy:

Thanks for the help

easy-lift guy
06-10-2012, 06:59 PM
My first and only enclosed trailer was a Haulmark and it served my needs well with 50 accounts. Plenty of room for my two 21" Hondas and my Woods 60" ZTR and everything else. I went with a larger trailer because I was able to store everything inside at one time. My HMhad the duck tail which made for ease of loading everything as well. The first thing I did after I picked up the trailer was to blow the floor clean, and apply 3 gal.of polyurethane over the wooden floor. I gave that 24 hours to cure and than I gave it 2 coats of a premium exterior grade paint. The floor was still 100% in tact after 10 years of use and the Second owner was shocked it was that way, when he bought it from me.
I did not get an extended toung for my trailer and I too pulled my trailer with a F-350 dullie dump truck. I did have a 16' trailer before my 20' HM, out grew that in Two years.
No regret with a longer trailer since your future rig pretty much seem like my rig once upon a time. Give yourself extra breaking distance, always check all of your running lights before you head out, try to stay out of the left lane, give your self extra room or making turns. Practice backing up somewhere out of the way when ever you get a cance, it ones in handy!. Keep us posted. All te best
easy-lift guy

JDGlandscape
06-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Thanks Easylift guy much appreciated. without the extended tougue did you have propblems with turning all the way going forward and it hitting?
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easy-lift guy
06-10-2012, 09:26 PM
Thanks Easylift guy much appreciated. without the extended tougue did you have propblems with turning all the way going forward and it hitting?
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No I did not. I took my time and learned to use my mirrors and turn singles always. For me it just took practice and patience.
easy-lift guy

JDGlandscape
06-10-2012, 09:52 PM
yeah i know what you mean i definately know how to use my mirrors, i put on more miles each year with trailers hooked up to my trucks than miles without a trailer. all with no view in the back from the dump so i only use mirrors. trailer size range from 10' to 24'. 6 different trailers.. so my question was how much clearance there is between trailer and dump body while in full turn going forward.. if it doesnt hit then then i am fine with it
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ProTouch Groundscapes
06-10-2012, 10:28 PM
i ordered basically the same trailer as you but 8.5x24 and flat front. we put a 30" deep workbench at the front and are able to get a scag prov 48" walkbehind, scag 61" tiger and walker 48" mtl in the trailer along with 3 21" push mowers at the front side of the trailer. definitely get the bigger trailer. i was originally going to get a 20" but once i stepped inside i knew i need the 24. we also got the 5200# torsion axles, extended tongue, screwless two tone exterior, 2 vents, 2 led interior lights, white ceiling, 3/8" ply sides with the 3/4" advantech floor, all led exterior lighting.

def get the extended tongue if towing with a dump truck. we love this trailer and use it when we go fourwheeling as well. we paid right about 8k out the door. here are some pics:

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae352/protouchllc/2011-12-13_13-52-06_564.jpg
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easy-lift guy
06-10-2012, 11:05 PM
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easy-lift guy
06-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Looks like marine grade plywood for the floor?, did you ever seal coat or paint the floor??
easy-lift guy
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JDGlandscape
06-11-2012, 05:32 PM
I do like the setup on that enclosed trailer, it looks very efficient.

Easy-lift Guy, I was actually already planning on treating the floors like you stated, that is an excellent idea. I was actually thinking about just using the polyurethane, do you think the paint also helped a lot or would just that be good enough?


Does anyone know if an 18' flat front is the overall same length as an 18 with a two foot v?

easy-lift guy
06-11-2012, 06:24 PM
I do like the setup on that enclosed trailer, it looks very efficient.

Easy-lift Guy, I was actually already planning on treating the floors like you stated, that is an excellent idea. I was actually thinking about just using the polyurethane, do you think the paint also helped a lot or would just that be good enough?


Does anyone know if an 18' flat front is the overall same length as an 18 with a two foot v?

Yes I would do both again. There were times when the paint was scratched and gouged but the floor was never compromised. I look forward to the finished job on the trailer. All the best.
easy-lift guy

f50lvr2
06-11-2012, 07:30 PM
I would say go with the 18' v-nose. I just got my 8.5x16 out to work today. Still needs a few things but it's amazing how fast you can start running out of room.

With one ZTR it would be perfect. If you want to add another I'd go 18'. In mine I've got the 52" Vantage, 48" navigator, 36"wb, 21" exmark, spare tire, gas cans, grass catchers, and some odds and ends and I'm pretty much out of space.

Good choice going with 8.5' wide for sure, that's going to be a sweet rig.

Oh and I didn't go with the extended tongue but it will hit on full lock so I just put in a 12" extension on the hitch and I'm good. Probably not the way to go if it's gonna be a lot of tongue weight but I didn't custom order mine. I would definitely go with the extended tongue with a v-nose.

ProTouch Groundscapes
06-12-2012, 09:32 AM
the length measurements start at the flat area. so an 18' v nose trailer would be 18' flat plus whatever extra length the v adds. ive seen shallow v's and deep v nose trailers.

definitely make sure you get marine grade plywood for the floors. you can coat the tops easily, but you'll never get the underside very well. we used rustoleum bed liner in the 1gal cans and rolled it on. very durable, will do another coat this year, after two years of wear, you want to do another layer. oh and we got our trailer completely undercoated, and the tongue and rear sill are sprayed with a bedliner material. helps fight rust and keep em looking new.

JDGlandscape
06-13-2012, 12:16 AM
the length measurements start at the flat area. so an 18' v nose trailer would be 18' flat plus whatever extra length the v adds. ive seen shallow v's and deep v nose trailers.

definitely make sure you get marine grade plywood for the floors. you can coat the tops easily, but you'll never get the underside very well. we used rustoleum bed liner in the 1gal cans and rolled it on. very durable, will do another coat this year, after two years of wear, you want to do another layer. oh and we got our trailer completely undercoated, and the tongue and rear sill are sprayed with a bedliner material. helps fight rust and keep em looking new.

I understand that the measurement only includes the flat box area, but I have had some people tell me that the 18' flat nose is the exact same overall length as an 18' with a two foot v on the front, just the v nose uses up the wasted space that is just open on the toungue of the flat nose. but then I have had some people tell me no, the 2' V makes it two feet longer.

Mydealer did not even tell me that marine grade plywood was an option... hmm I will have to talk to him about that. Thanks!

f50lvr2
06-13-2012, 01:48 AM
I noticed that some added the "V" + the normal tongue length but most I saw just had the V, as you said, in the "wasted" space where the frame v's towards the hitch. That seemed to be the most common that I noticed although each brand was slightly different.

mtmower
06-13-2012, 03:16 AM
I would go with a 20' plus the "V" which is what I will get at some point with a front ramp, ped door, fuel doors, and rear ramp but it's a lot of trailer.

I'm running a 20" flat bed car hauler for the last 12 years and I have one push mower, a 36" hydro walk behind and two ZTRs and it's just enough room. I have wedge tool box on the tongue, trimmer rack, and keep my backpacks in the truck bed. You can see a partial pic on this thread.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=379728

If you check my other posts I have other pics of the trailer as well.

By the way I'm jealous.

JABBERS
06-13-2012, 09:29 AM
I pull a 8.5 x 20' trailer with a f350 crew cab long bed and dont have any problem pulling it. I dont think you would need a extended tongue on the trailer. I also like all the racks it looks nice.

JDGlandscape
06-14-2012, 06:25 PM
So here is the final product. Never thought i would be excited to buy a darn trailer.. my girlfriend thinks im weird. :laugh:

Let me know if you think the price is decent and if I missed any options that should have been ordered. Do people usually negotiate on trailer prices when they have them custom built?

JDGlandscape
06-15-2012, 09:37 PM
what do others fit on an 18 foot trailer?

f50lvr2
06-17-2012, 11:46 PM
So here is the final product. Never thought i would be excited to buy a darn trailer.. my girlfriend thinks im weird. :laugh:

Let me know if you think the price is decent and if I missed any options that should have been ordered. Do people usually negotiate on trailer prices when they have them custom built?

That's going to be a sweet trailer. Screwless sides are so much better looking. Price wise sounds really good. Could you order and pick it up yourself? Shipping seems awfully pricy.

Definitely I would try to negotiate the price down, it never hurts to try, although I'd say if you could get $300-$500 off that would be doing pretty good.

Congrats, what's the turnaround time going to be?

lazor-cut
06-18-2012, 12:18 AM
Thanks Easylift guy much appreciated. without the extended tougue did you have propblems with turning all the way going forward and it hitting?
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You're going to like that extended tongue. I have both.. I know which ones to be careful(ER) with. The longer tongue is nice when pulling with a dump truck.found out that the dump bodies can hit/crash the trailer if your worker forgets to turn wide with a 20' trailer behind him...OH IM SORRY still not happy about my dented trailer! lol

I say buy the Longest one YOU can afford. My crews use 20's - 24' trailers.
The 18 can fit AT LEAST a 48' WB and 2 Riders (60" 's) With a little room to spare.

JDGlandscape
06-18-2012, 10:18 AM
I too wish I didnt have to pay that much for the shipping.. The trailer place is the largest volume trailer dealer in New England and the only way he will sell them is if they are shipped up from his distributor directly to his facility. They are being shipped from south Georgia all the way to Augusta Maine.. Quite the haul. and then I am two and a half hours away from Augusta Maine.

I did just find a great deal on a used one around me... quite a bit cheaper but no extended tongue..