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ArTurf
06-15-2012, 12:32 PM
I have been working on a system (see "Determing GPM from a well pump" thread) and have fixed the problems with the system itself. But after temporarily hooking up a pigtail for the RM remote the controller does not work. It only reads "Off" in the display. My guy went out and checked the wiring and tried to reset it by unhooking the power & battery for a few minutes and then powering back up but still no dice. He talked with Toro support while he was working on it but they said it was probably done and wouldnt make sense to repair due to age. Any tricks in the bag before I tell the HO he is going to need a new controller?

The only thing that bothers me is it worked before hooking up remote. He may think the remote somehow affected it. Which would be logical thinking on his part. He will probably not give me a hard time but I would like to have a good answer. Maybe it was just a coincidence that it went out after using the remote. Anyone ever have problems after hooking up remote that weren't there before?

Mike Leary
06-15-2012, 12:45 PM
Peter may know more, but I've installed a ton of pigtails for my RM remote and have never had problems. Was the clock powered-up when you did the wiring?

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-15-2012, 12:46 PM
Was the pigtail on when it went kaput? Any chance you kicked on the rm MV/pump and didn't turn it off at the remote? What toro controller was it and does it have a fuse?

Mike Leary
06-15-2012, 01:19 PM
No offense, but has your crew installed many pigtails? As much as I trusted my guys, I always wired the pigtails myself. Pre-wiring the pigtail at the shop with I.D. letters and numbers sure made any confusion in the field minimal.

ArTurf
06-15-2012, 01:22 PM
Mike/Fim

The controller was probably powered up when my guy hooked up the pigtail since it was hard wired.

The model Toro Vision II plus, model V2-P12. The system does not have a main valve so that wire was not hooked up. Tech says he visually checked fuse but prob did not check with DMM.

Mike Leary
06-15-2012, 01:32 PM
The old "tried and true" method for clock burps, was to shut the ac down, remove the battery, drink five beers and return to the site after 24 hours. :waving::drinkup:

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
06-15-2012, 01:36 PM
I would double check that fuse. Sounds like it is popped. On another note, given that it is a Vision II it may be a good move to just have the customer pay you to replace it. Our standard policy is to remove and replace any Vision series controller that we end up with on a maintenance job. They are easily one of the most miserable controllers that was ever made.

DanaMac
06-15-2012, 01:40 PM
Doesn't that controller have 2 fuses?

1idejim
06-15-2012, 01:42 PM
Mike/Fim

The controller was probably powered up when my guy hooked up the pigtail since it was hard wired.

The model Toro Vision II plus, model V2-P12. The system does not have a main valve so that wire was not hooked up. Tech says he visually checked fuse but prob did not check with DMM.

if one of pete's you can forget a pigtail product issue, he built and installed his first in the Garden of Edens. :)

connecting any product hot is asking for trouble and not using a meter is unforgivable. your tech is supposed to be a pro and a reflection of yourself as an owner. beside the wasted time that may be involved, how can he convey the issue properly without having simple facts at hand.

this may sound harsh but a tightfisted property owner or manager could hold you at fault for lack of a few simple rules. never wire anything hot - always test for voltage on or off - always have an answer to the question, what were your test results. - i didn't test because.......doesn't count.

good luck arturf, you seem like a good guy :waving:

ArTurf
06-15-2012, 02:02 PM
The old "tried and true" method for clock burps, was to shut the ac down, remove the battery, drink five beers and return to the site after 24 hours. :waving::drinkup:

I think he did fine on hooking up the pigtail. It worked fine while using the remote and I removed it after we were through since it was a 32 station pig and the system was only 8. I didn't realize the controller was malfunctioning until the HO left me text. He tried shutting it down for a few minutes, do you really think it needs 24 hours?

Jim,
Your right about hooking up anything hot. Company rule from now on. Tech should have used DMM on fuse but he still has things to learn. He's smart but hasn't learned to sweat the details.

I will check fuse and check for 2nd fuse.

Kiril
06-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Eye wire shiit hot all the time .... ;)

Mike Leary
06-15-2012, 02:44 PM
He tried shutting it down for a few minutes, do you really think it needs 24 hours. I will check fuse and check for 2nd fuse.

Can't hurt to shut down for a day. The fact you're using a big pig makes the possibility of pilot error in the wiring suspect. Like Dan said, those clocks were not exactly top-of-the-line.:hammerhead:

Kiril
06-15-2012, 02:46 PM
Can't hurt to shut down for a day.

There is no need to shut down for a full day daddy-o. A couple of minutes will usually suffice.

Mike Leary
06-15-2012, 03:32 PM
If the pigtail is going to be used for cold calls, I'd shop-wire it, and keep the common (s),mstr valve/pump, 24-volt , separate in it's own bundle with wire ties. Then, wire the rest in "8ths", wire-tie them so it's easy to find what you need from the bundle.Once over 12 zones, the color code gets dicey, so attention has to be paid. On a 24 zone pigtail, you will have, wire-tied, four bundles.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-15-2012, 04:36 PM
Eye wire shiit hot all the time .... ;)

Me too. Wiring a pigtail is like wiring in the zones to the terminals. Even if I have to use one of the 24v terminals for remote power I still leave the plug in while loosening and shoving the pigtail wire in the terminal. A pigtail is nothing more than a glorified terminal extension cord.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-15-2012, 04:37 PM
If the pigtail is going to be used for cold calls, I'd shop-wire it, and keep the common (s),mstr valve/pump, 24-volt , separate in it's own bundle with wire ties. Then, wire the rest in "8ths", wire-tie them so it's easy to find what you need from the bundle.Once over 12 zones, the color code gets dicey, so attention has to be paid. On a 24 zone pigtail, you will have, wire-tied, four bundles.

Pretty nifty Mike.

irrig8r
06-15-2012, 09:05 PM
The model Toro Vision II plus, model V2-P12. The system does not have a main valve so that wire was not hooked up. Tech says he visually checked fuse but prob did not check with DMM.

Good gawd! Are there really still Vision IIs in the field? That damned controller was one headache after another. Incredibly unreliable P.O.S.... I don't believe I've even seen one since about 1996.

irrig8r
06-15-2012, 09:07 PM
I would double check that fuse. Sounds like it is popped. On another note, given that it is a Vision II it may be a good move to just have the customer pay you to replace it. Our standard policy is to remove and replace any Vision series controller that we end up with on a maintenance job. They are easily one of the most miserable controllers that was ever made.

Seconded! (no "LIKE" button available)

DanaMac
06-15-2012, 09:17 PM
See them quite often. Probably every two to three weeks. One of my guys saw one yesterday.
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irrig8r
06-16-2012, 10:05 AM
See them quite often. Probably every two to three weeks. One of my guys saw one yesterday.
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My sympathies.

Lots of upgrade opportuities then?
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Wet_Boots
06-16-2012, 10:21 AM
I don't encounter too many systems with Toro Vision controllers that fail on my watch.

Mike Leary
06-16-2012, 03:56 PM
I don't encounter too many systems with Toro Vision controllers that fail on my watch.

Might check the batteries on your watch.:p

Wet_Boots
06-16-2012, 04:03 PM
Oh, I don't question their track record, but once they survive a decade, they seem to be there for the long run.

DanaMac
06-16-2012, 05:24 PM
Lots of upgrade opportuities then?

Only when they fail. If they work fine, no reason to change em out.

Mike Leary
06-16-2012, 07:57 PM
Oh, I don't question their track record, but once they survive a decade, they seem to be there for the long run.

My grandfather drove Studebaker all his life. He claimed he always got a "Wednesday" car; same with a lot of things, I guess. :)

ArTurf
06-18-2012, 11:04 AM
As Paul Harvey would have said "And the rest of the story" is I couoln't get the Toro come back to life. Fuse was good. Seems controller worked after remote hookup but HO thinks a storm that came through which knocked out some other stuff was to blame. Replaced it with a Pro-C and RB-WR2 rain sensor. HO is happy as can be since system has worked better that he can remember.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Awesome. The great Paul Harvey. He was a part of my daily routine for years. Timed my lunches to listen on WBAP in Dallas.