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CAPT Stream Rotar
06-15-2012, 09:38 PM
This job was a complete disaster. The woman H/O got directly in my way while pulling multiple times weeding her beds...Nice place but hey come on..

Had the little machine, and cause the boss rushed us I forgot to pull 2 pipes and a wire...Very tight areas. so I had to pull a second pipe over the top of the pipe..First time I have ever done this with particular placement of the pipe 4 or so inches above main and wire..This could of been a complete disaster..

Second zone line pull over main, Tough to tell but its the closest pipe to the machine.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4852.jpg

Her male counter part also or even more bothersome
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9264.jpg

After all these years of doing drip, I never realized this could be done..Feel really dumb but hey.. I'm not ashamed of learning something easy or hard..

http://s660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/?action=view&current=IMG_0748.mp4

This guy has a dam ornamental tree farm at his proptery..I think there is over 10" DBH on all of the ten or so Jap maples planted less than a year ago.. guy has some serious money

I was being lazy grabbing some drip..Strangely i always have my wire strippers handy.. Yes, we tied drip into rotor zones...Not a fan of it but my opinion matters little.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3212.jpg

It was a nice day
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http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_1970.jpg

The guy is so rich he made his own pond and stocks it with 60 K of coy every few months..The snapping turtles and birds really enjoy the fish.. And he just doesen't care. We also pruned over 500 pitch pines here a few years ago during a winter.. Actually i pruned one PP seen in this picture.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3954.jpg


Getting ready to drop this bad mofo and hook up a faucet
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_0288.jpg

Getting to the nitty gritty
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5471.jpg

greenmonster304
06-15-2012, 10:27 PM
I don't get it. You never had to "jump" a pipe with the plow? Am I missing somthing?
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Duekster
06-15-2012, 10:48 PM
where is the picture of the weedpuller?

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-16-2012, 12:06 AM
Please tell me you don't use cat litter buckets for anything.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-16-2012, 08:15 AM
I poorly explain things Gm

I've jumped pipes across eachother before
But I've never ran 2 pipes a lOng distance on top of each other..

Parallel. I thought for sure I'd hook the main and wire at some point. I think the pull was 150 feet or so

Peter cat litter box is for trash
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Mike Leary
06-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Wonderfull site, sweet service truck! You get some nice jobs, Eddie.

Wet_Boots
06-16-2012, 02:24 PM
After all these years of doing drip, I never realized this could be done..Feel really dumb but hey.. I'm not ashamed of learning something easy or hard..

http://s660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/?action=view&current=IMG_0748.mp4Post of the week :)

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-16-2012, 04:21 PM
::takes bow::

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-16-2012, 10:23 PM
Peter cat litter box is for trash
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I'm sorry but I'm just not okay with that. Pickle buckets yes. Why would you advertise to the world you have a cat?
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Wet_Boots
06-16-2012, 10:51 PM
cats make for better youtube videos

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CAPT Stream Rotar
06-17-2012, 01:18 AM
I'm sorry but I'm just not okay with that. Pickle buckets yes. Why would you advertise to the world you have a cat?
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Peter I will tell you a funny story via pm on how I got that trash box..


pretty funny/ nasty story.

Kiril
06-17-2012, 09:56 AM
I'm sorry but I'm just not okay with that. Pickle buckets yes. Why would you advertise to the world you have a cat?


Who cares! At least it's not in a landfill.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-17-2012, 10:59 AM
Somebody fell off the humor train.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-17-2012, 12:15 PM
Use what you got
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CAPT Stream Rotar
06-19-2012, 09:18 PM
Anyone ever have to do this with their poly cutters?

The replacement blade was the wrong size, so I just got a little crafty with the sawzall..

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4088.jpg


Tech # 1 abs Killing this install we did..8 zones done in 1 day, 2.5 guys 25 hours total...
I'm really getting comfortable pulling the funny pipe, its saving hours on jobs.

Once i pulled everything, I went in front of him, dug, tarped the good dirt, installed 2 manifolds, hang clock, wire up and fire up..

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3434.jpg

Poor picture but here is 1 of at least 15 holes I pulled funny pipe for reducing the digging/ clean up. Job Crushah.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_7252.jpg

Couldn't quite get the 4X10 through this arbor, anyway does anyone else carry around a trash barrel with them when they work?
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2680.jpg

separate job, to all the people learning when you are jumping a wire through make sure you have enough wire to do the splices high in the air
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4675.jpg

I'm bored so im going to post a ton of pics
the crane to get 100K stairs to the second deck
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9631.jpg

some drip we put in
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5811.jpg



The RP that I told the plumber to put the dump on the bottom..
He was going to install it going topside.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3988.jpg

I noticed Devon always placing his hand tools in a easy reachable position.
I always do the same thing..I'm sure everyone else does.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5928.jpg

Currently my working pressure on this 4 M dollar house job. 5.5 gpm @ about 5 psi..Joke..
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3645.jpg

Obligitory boot shot on the nice hardscape.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_8743.jpg

What 4 M dollars will buy you for a front yard in North Truro
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_0018.jpg

I mean honestly who wants a mosquito breading ground in their front walk?

Crane action
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3962.jpg

First and second floor deck
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9674-1.jpg


Somehow I'm Supposed to water 1 foot under this deck and all the way 8 feet to the Natural conservation border...In 1 zone with 5 gpm @ -5 psi.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5606.jpg

Second floor deck
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5124.jpg

and its view heading to Ptown...Peter's favorite..
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_8148.jpg


basement project
installing a few lights.
120 where I needed it..Somehow I didn't own a multimeter for personal use..
Kinda sad..
Thankfully dad has about 10 of them.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_0879.jpg

New Freezah
50 $ off for the dent.Works like a champ.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3211.jpg

irritation
06-19-2012, 09:39 PM
Where's the cat litter bucket?

Kiril
06-19-2012, 11:47 PM
Holy shiit batman, someone needs to teach you guys how to install drip. :dizzy:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_5811.jpg

irritation
06-20-2012, 01:02 AM
No need for this..
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4675.jpg

GreenI.A.
06-20-2012, 01:47 AM
Didn't realize you were on the Cape, were doing a nice install in Orleans, been there about 4 weeks now. As far as the H/O getting in the way, we put it right in the contract that the areas we deem as work areas are off limits to the H/O. I threatened to walk off of a site last year when the H/O's kids were constantly outside playing in the yard and the parents couldn't keep them inside.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-20-2012, 07:12 AM
Didn't realize you were on the Cape, were doing a nice install in Orleans, been there about 4 weeks now. As far as the H/O getting in the way, we put it right in the contract that the areas we deem as work areas are off limits to the H/O. I threatened to walk off of a site last year when the H/O's kids were constantly outside playing in the yard and the parents couldn't keep them inside.

Thats quite a contract...

good for you though.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-26-2012, 06:00 PM
This thing is pretty cool

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4294-1.jpg

They gave me this guy to help...Boy can he dig a mean ditch.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_4942.jpg

If you know what this is please keep it to yourself for a little while please..

Does anyone know what this is, how it spreads, and what it can do in the right/wrong situation?
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3886.jpg

bored took some pics, I really love poly pipe..

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_1481.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2674.jpg

LoL @ the size of this...I don't think this guy has enough propane in the ground to run this for to long..small tank..
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2963.jpg

Why? Why do they do this and expect a miracle.
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http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2971.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2258.jpg

Grade has not been set anywhere, but i had to put these valves in.. eh

Entire house was made with really really expensive siding..I think this is the white cedar.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_8224.jpg

There are tracks on the border of this structure to block neighbors views...Over the top?
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_3723.jpg

This bench is made of IPE...Very expensive, very hard, comes from Brazil..Carpenters on this one were not so happy about predrilling everything
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Final answer, drip
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_2412.jpg

Nice place for a fire place
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9966.jpg

Flame away boys..

Does anyone know how to keep that new RP from dumping..

Its new...I figured maybe some small adjustment or something....

Totally lost don't work with them much..

Wet_Boots
06-26-2012, 06:15 PM
That is an old design for an RPZ. I used lots of those Febco 825Y's. Built like a tank. Pain in the ass to winterize strictly by the book, because you have to pull the check covers and remove the relief cover. But all that becomes time well spent if you catch the moment just before the check valve poppets jam tight in their guides.

High pressure/velocity can really get that RPZ to dumping water. I've had one enter a runaway oscillation of regular relief gushing. The cure was to close the outlet valve and open the testcocks and release all the air, before putting it into operation the first time.

DanaMac
06-26-2012, 06:22 PM
Don't you follow the other thread on "fun job this week"? You MUST have the controller hardwired in, or you are a slacker piker. :)
Rarely done here either.

Wet_Boots
06-26-2012, 06:27 PM
Naw, it's a residence, and three Rottweilers guard the outlet.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-26-2012, 06:33 PM
So boots you think it's air in the system?
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Wet_Boots
06-26-2012, 06:49 PM
Air compresses, so water hammer pushing against a cushion of air makes for a 'bounce' you don't see if the pipe is air-free. Definitely bleed the air out of the up-pointing testcocks.

mrsteve
06-26-2012, 06:50 PM
So Capt what kind of gallons are you going to push thru that poly/barb stuff. Most of our laterals are rigid here, that looks very restrictive, just curious. Great pictures BTW.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-26-2012, 07:20 PM
I'm hoping for 15 @ 40 psi

Boss almost broke his dinky flow guage measuring it
After they fixed the plumbing to the well

Thanks boots makes sense will try tomorrow
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greenmonster304
06-26-2012, 08:22 PM
What is the black thing on the main line to the right of the 10" round under the rpz?

That ipe is suposededly toxic if you ingest or inhale it but it is dense as hell it doesn't even float. That siding looks like #1 clear cedar.
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S.O.Contracting
06-26-2012, 09:11 PM
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Does anyone know how to keep that new RP from dumping..

Its new...I figured maybe some small adjustment or something....

Totally lost don't work with them much..

When is the RP dumping? After a zone shuts off? Or when its just pressurized?

Kiril
06-26-2012, 10:27 PM
Flame away boys..

Again with the drip .... when you guys gonna learn?

Mdirrigation
06-26-2012, 10:47 PM
Poly pipe for a main ? I have ran into that quite a few times from a company that went out of business around here . Had to ad master valves to every one due to constant leaks .

greenmonster304
06-26-2012, 11:11 PM
Poly pipe for a main ? I have ran into that quite a few times from a company that went out of business around here . Had to ad master valves to every one due to constant leaks .

Pretty much the norm here with no leaks to speak of. One good thing about poly mains I find here is that with the amount of changes to existing landscapes they are always hitting the main when planting trees and such. Atleast they can kink off the poly pipe before it makes a huge mess.
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Mdirrigation
06-27-2012, 09:57 PM
In these parts most of those who use poly run pvc mains , with the exception of 1 outfit thats always the low bidder , they run all poly . We use all pvc . Why take the time to kink the pipe ? Just turn off the water at the backflo

greenmonster304
06-27-2012, 10:13 PM
In these parts most of those who use poly run pvc mains , with the exception of 1 outfit thats always the low bidder , they run all poly . We use all pvc . Why take the time to kink the pipe ? Just turn off the water at the backflo

Many places here have interior shut offs, curb stops or dedicated wells with the controls and valves hiden. Some of these estates here are just so big i have trouble finding things when i take over a new place. Not to mention the landscape laborers have no clue what to do when they hit a main line.
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irritation
06-27-2012, 10:15 PM
In these parts most of those who use poly run pvc mains , with the exception of 1 outfit thats always the low bidder , they run all poly . We use all pvc . Why take the time to kink the pipe ? Just turn off the water at the backflo

Same here, if I see poly main it's a hack job. I see a lot of poly root intrusion but not PVC.

GreenI.A.
06-27-2012, 10:18 PM
In these parts most of those who use poly run pvc mains , with the exception of 1 outfit thats always the low bidder , they run all poly . We use all pvc . Why take the time to kink the pipe ? Just turn off the water at the backflo

complete opposite up here. The only time we usually see PVC is when the mains are over 2" such as on athletic fields or golf courses. I don't think I have ever seen a system installed by a reputable company that was pvc.

Sprinkus
06-27-2012, 10:38 PM
Again with the drip .... when you guys gonna learn?

Plus two. +2 :hammerhead:

irritation
06-27-2012, 10:49 PM
Drip is disposable, it might be good for a year but doubtful. Next year it needs to be redone. Usually 2 or 3 times a year.

mrsteve
06-28-2012, 07:44 AM
Drip is disposable, it might be good for a year but doubtful. Next year it needs to be redone. Usually 2 or 3 times a year.
Don't know what drip you are referring to, but around here it is law for small areas. I've got netafim and Rain Bird in place for five years. Once a year flushing for the ones that don't have the automatic flusher, occasional repair due to animals looking to get to the water. Like it or not we have to use it here. I'm not a fan for turf, but in beds it's ok.

jvanvliet
06-28-2012, 07:45 AM
Drip is disposable, it might be good for a year but doubtful. Next year it needs to be redone. Usually 2 or 3 times a year.

Dunno about that. I've got tons of drip in the ground. It'll need to be flushed annually. If properly maintained, we really don't see too many problems even after 3 years. Occasionally we'll see some emitter check valves clog due to hard water (dry patch or failing plantings not attributable to insects or pathogens); this is an easy fix.

As long as top dressing isn't compacted on the pipe, it's not buried in clay and it's not in a heavy traffic area, I think it'll be all-right.

I don't worry too much about how they do it in California.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-28-2012, 08:48 AM
So boots

The rpz is still dumping when system is pressurized
I run a zone dumping stops.
I did bleed the air out and the hammering did stop.
Is it possible that debris in device would cause constant dumping??




If I were to take it apart where/how would I start??

I'm feeling sol
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Wet_Boots
06-28-2012, 09:09 AM
Of course debris can cause dumping, especially if the passage to the relief is blocked. Time to open up that pup. Confirm that all is clean and clear. The usual suspect in a constant discharge from the relief port is the O-ring seal (once you confirm no debris is present) inside the relief assembly. There have been O-ring issues in the past. If you don't have the factory repair kit, you might get by with a heavy application of the food-grade silicone over the O-ring and the piece it's mounted on. A tube of that stuff in a toolbox can be invaluable, and there are no substitutes for it.

The one good thing about the 825Y is that it is very easy to work on. (make sure you don't mix up the two big check springs)

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-28-2012, 09:28 AM
Is that def not a 009?
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Wet_Boots
06-28-2012, 09:42 AM
say what? :confused:

If you have the grease or the repair kit, you might just go straight to the relief valve assembly under the side cover - if you don't have the repair/installation sheet for the Febco 825Y, download it and print it out.

Without A Drought
06-28-2012, 08:34 PM
sounds like you have a fouled 1st check

S.O.Contracting
06-28-2012, 08:58 PM
sounds like you have a fouled 1st check

What he said. My guess would be a chunk of solder from the install. If it caused a depression in the check rubber flip it over.

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-28-2012, 11:15 PM
bingo was his name-o

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/IMG_9876.jpg

HokieAg07
06-29-2012, 06:53 PM
No that is surely not a 009!! Wow

You need to study up on backflows, if you dont know what would cause one to discharge and what steps to take to determine and solve the issue then you have no business opening one up to try and remedy the problem.

Wet_Boots
06-29-2012, 07:18 PM
the 825Y is fairly forgiving - frankly I was surprised at the fouled check - pro plumbers should know better

Mike Leary
06-29-2012, 08:29 PM
No that is surely not a 009!! Wow

You need to study up on backflows, if you dont know what would cause one to discharge and what steps to take to determine and solve the issue then you have no business opening one up to try and remedy the problem.

I agree, and Boots is at fault big time, as well, for suggesting that a non-certified mechanic should even tear into it. Amateurs would not notice a lot of things that a licensed pro would notice. No one need reply, you know my feelings about this. :hammerhead:

Mike Leary
06-29-2012, 08:33 PM
Was the assembly tested after the "repair".

Wet_Boots
06-29-2012, 09:29 PM
tell us all how you would destroy the 825Y by taking it apart and putting it back together

Mike Leary
06-30-2012, 01:29 PM
tell us all how you would destroy the 825Y by taking it apart and putting it back together

I did not suggest "destroy", I suggested that children have no truck fooling around with adult assemblies. Case closed.

DanaMac
06-30-2012, 01:43 PM
Well, we tear 'em apart quite often. Some of them need taken apart monthly by the homeowner because they are too cheap to put in a filter, if they are on a well. Clean out the sediment, put back together, done and done.

Wet_Boots
06-30-2012, 03:11 PM
I don't like the idea of the homeowner messing with an RPZ. I never did well water without 100-mesh filtration, so that would save the RPZs from interference.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Thanks again for the help boots..

Very simple to take apart..

I also spoke with the local rep and he did instruct me the 825 would be simple to get into...

Mike- thanks for your helpful posts, as always.