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MV Property Care
07-01-2012, 01:13 PM
If I am just laying decorative stone I use 6mil black plastic. Much cheaper than landscaping fabric. Does anybody use black plasitc for mulch and or around plants but just cut a bigger hole and then put fabric around the plants.

Duekster
07-01-2012, 01:31 PM
I use fabric for rock only. No plastic

MV Property Care
07-01-2012, 02:41 PM
Do you have any propblems with the wieght of the rock pulling the fabric apart and making it more easy for weeds to enter. I can get a huge roll of 6mill plastic (1200sqft) for under $60. The fabric is costly even in bulk.

Duekster
07-01-2012, 02:46 PM
Do you have any propblems with the wieght of the rock pulling the fabric apart and making it more easy for weeds to enter. I can get a huge roll of 6mill plastic (1200sqft) for under $60. The fabric is costly even in bulk.

I buy heavy fabric and it is expensive and I charge accordingly.

cpllawncare
07-01-2012, 03:35 PM
I never recommend or install anykind of weed barrier if you do your prep work correctly and the ongoing maint it's not neccesary.

dougaustreim
07-01-2012, 04:26 PM
We use 6 mil black poly under rock. Good soil prep and preen under mulch. Fabric seems like a waste of money in most cases. After the initial installation, most weeds come from seed that blows in, not from underneath. Roots seem to go right down through fabric.

Smallaxe
07-01-2012, 07:01 PM
Fabric/plastic is good under rock for us northerners, because the freeze/thaw cycles will really put a lot of dirt around the bottom inches of rock... but yes,,, lots of room around the plants when using plastic...

lazor-cut
07-01-2012, 07:41 PM
I buy heavy fabric and it is expensive and I charge accordingly.

There ya go! I was waiting to see if i was the only one who "charges accordingly."

Say im putting in $500 bucks of expensive Rock... I'm not going to skimp out on the Landscaping Fabric!
Thats like putting up 4' Retaining wall and not putting the proper base under it! If the customer wants it, quote them TO DO IT RIGHT! If that means charging 160 to install fabric so be it!

dougaustreim
07-01-2012, 07:53 PM
Just because something costs more or we can charge more does not make it right. In my 40 years of experience, plastice does a better job of preventing weeds in rock than fabric does.

lazor-cut
07-01-2012, 10:08 PM
Just because something costs more or we can charge more does not make it right. In my 40 years of experience, plastice does a better job of preventing weeds in rock than fabric does.

haha no... i just mean if thats what YOU believes works better, then power to ya! But dont just do it if its about the money!<<<<Thats all im saying!

Duekster
07-01-2012, 10:26 PM
Just because something costs more or we can charge more does not make it right. In my 40 years of experience, plastice does a better job of preventing weeds in rock than fabric does.

Yes, you are correct. Cost is not the end all. How about letting the soil breath and moisture infiltrate? I would hate to be installing a bioswale with a nice rock basin with plastic when the intent is to allow the water to infiltrate instead of run off.

Snyder's Lawn Inc
07-01-2012, 10:42 PM
Just because something costs more or we can charge more does not make it right. In my 40 years of experience, plastice does a better job of preventing weeds in rock than fabric does.

Weeds will grow anywhere I hated plastic but at one time thats all they had thats all we installed once they came out with that pro5 weed mat That was best move I ever made

With plastic you cant just dump rock or take chance poking holes in the plastic or walk in the beds
Plastic wont last as long as the pro5
I done some reinstalls and some had plastic and go remove the old rock the plastic is rotted vs if bed had pro5 you can remove the rock without digging in the dirt
I charge 15-17 cents per sq ft for pro5
Might cost more



But if you think its better more power to you

zak406
07-01-2012, 10:48 PM
I agree with the poster who said about not using weed block... I install weed block dont get me wrong, however I feel its almost worthless. Alot of customers think it is the end all of weed problems. However that is not the case. You put weedblock under mulch, and a year later you have decomposed mulch on top of the fabric in which weeds quickly develop. You put rocks over weedblock and the next thing you know the soil and sand from the rocks settles and you have weeds on top of that. Customers think since they put weed block down you will never see a weed again, as I stated before that is 100% wrong. For the cost of weedblock the customer is almost better off contracting you to spray every 2 weeks to a month.

Duekster
07-01-2012, 10:48 PM
Weeds will grow anywhere I hated plastic but at one time thats all they had thats all we installed once they came out with that pro5 weed mat That was best move I ever made

With plastic you cant just dump rock or take chance poking holes in the plastic or walk in the beds
Plastic wont last as long as the pro5
I done some reinstalls and some had plastic and go remove the old rock the plastic is rotted vs if bed had pro5 you can remove the rock without digging in the dirt
I charge 15-17 cents per sq ft for pro5
Might cost more



But if you think its better more power to you

The 5 Oz woven fabric I use is strong to 275 PSI. Yet it breaths and lets moisture in. I assume the pro5 is like that?

http://www.landscapefabric.com/500series.php

Snyder's Lawn Inc
07-01-2012, 11:00 PM
The 5 Oz woven fabric I use is strong to 275 PSI. Yet it breaths and lets moisture in. I assume the pro5 is like that?

http://www.landscapefabric.com/500series.php

yes same Im not at the shop to give you the details widths I get it in 4-5-6-8x250'
can special order wider I have bought 20ft wide

White Gardens
07-01-2012, 11:17 PM
To the original poster.

Don't use plastic! If any of it is exposed, it will degrade in the UV light and the elements.

I don't know how many rock beds I've renovated that had stupid plastic down. So many tears and no way to keep it in place.

I use a heavy SRW fabric and sell it only as a barrier between the rock and soil. Never do I use fabric under hardwood mulch.

As for keeping it in place, landscape staples or pins is the way to go. Most companies around me just have a guy hold it in place and throw rock over it to keep it in place. After a while the seams widen and also when someone goes to pull a weed that is growing in the rock, it pulls the fabric up.

I also will never put rock down without a spun bound fabric barrier.


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lazor-cut
07-01-2012, 11:56 PM
For hardwood we found the best weed block is none at all!

if its bad we whip the weeds down, Spray, preen (if the customer insist) then we just lay a thick layer of mulch down.

banjogum
07-02-2012, 10:05 AM
I have never used plastic. My vote is on commercial grade professional landscape fabric. 10 years, no problems.

MV Property Care
07-02-2012, 08:12 PM
Weeds will grow anywhere I hated plastic but at one time thats all they had thats all we installed once they came out with that pro5 weed mat That was best move I ever made

With plastic you cant just dump rock or take chance poking holes in the plastic or walk in the beds
Plastic wont last as long as the pro5
I done some reinstalls and some had plastic and go remove the old rock the plastic is rotted vs if bed had pro5 you can remove the rock without digging in the dirt
I charge 15-17 cents per sq ft for pro5
Might cost more



But if you think its better more power to you

I will look into pro 5

MV Property Care
07-02-2012, 08:20 PM
For hardwood we found the best weed block is none at all!

if its bad we whip the weeds down, Spray, preen (if the customer insist) then we just lay a thick layer of mulch down.

Have you ever used "snap shot" when you lay mulch down? It's supposed to last 3 months I believe.