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muddywater
07-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Anybody got one? Thinking of buying one. Will a tracked mini skid pull it through clay soils? Not so much rocks, but hard clay.

country kid
07-02-2012, 09:44 PM
I used one for the last 2 years. I recommend a toro dingo ,widetrack, diesel TX 525.
thing can pull through anything in no time. way more effiecient than a wheeled ditch witch.
can pull jobs with that in a fraction of the time as a wheeled vib plow

muddywater
07-02-2012, 09:47 PM
I used one for the last 2 years. I recommend a toro dingo ,widetrack, diesel TX 525.
thing can pull through anything in no time. way more effiecient than a wheeled ditch witch.
can pull jobs with that in a fraction of the time as a wheeled vib plow

How hard is your ground? Yeah I have got two 525s and one 425. Just kinda nervous about buying and it not working in hard clay.

country kid
07-02-2012, 09:53 PM
it can get extremely hard.
it will pull through clay as long as you have the good carbide tipped blade. its got the power of say a 410 with improve manuverablity.
with the diesel it is important to never give it more than 1/2 throttle with the vib plow.

country kid
07-02-2012, 09:54 PM
the wide track only puts 3psi on the ground, so better traction as well

muddywater
07-02-2012, 10:03 PM
Why only half throttle?
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country kid
07-02-2012, 10:07 PM
because there is too much power at full throttle on the diesel , it will damage the vib plow attachment. something about the attachment not been capable the hydrualic power

irritation
07-02-2012, 10:15 PM
If it's air cooled you need to run at full throttle, especially in this hot weather.

country kid
07-02-2012, 10:29 PM
run it a full and your vib plow attachment will die. at least it will be cooled

irritation
07-02-2012, 10:34 PM
run it a full and your vib plow attachment will die. at least it will be cooled

Sounds like a poor design, if the engine needs full throttle.

country kid
07-02-2012, 10:37 PM
machine wasnt built for the vib plow attachment. hte attachment came after.
still a great setup. and that setup is the best i have ever used in the last 10 years pulling pipe

muddywater
07-02-2012, 10:42 PM
machine wasnt built for the vib plow attachment. hte attachment came after.
still a great setup. and that setup is the best i have ever used in the last 10 years pulling pipe

damn that good? How much faster is it than trenching? How do you bore under a drive without having a trench to lay the boring rod in(boring unit for dingo)?

How much more expensive is 1" poly than class 200 pvc?

country kid
07-02-2012, 10:44 PM
i pay $67 for 300' 1".
the tracks make it easy to make turns and a breeze for running lines over.
right there it saves noticable time.
I have never done any boring for it.
I have a guy with a topedo for that stuff

greenmonster304
07-02-2012, 10:46 PM
I have never used a mini with the plow but I have watched videos of it and it looks like slow going and kind of sloppy. Maybe it was just the videos I saw. How fast can you pull say 100' of poly in light soil?
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country kid
07-02-2012, 10:50 PM
lol in loam, it will give go fast if you want it to.
if your on a dirt job you can probably pull 100' in about 2 minutes

country kid
07-02-2012, 10:53 PM
also this is the tx525 wide track
maybe you watched a vid with a gas powered skidsteer

greenmonster304
07-02-2012, 10:55 PM
So it's not any faster than a maxi or a 410. Your poly is expensive.
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country kid
07-02-2012, 10:56 PM
ya its the good red stripe

country kid
07-02-2012, 10:58 PM
no not any faster, i do not miss turning around with a 410 tho. back then forward, then back then forward then once more

muddywater
07-02-2012, 11:12 PM
Ever pulled pvc?

What is the fastest process to do a system? I am trying to get my mind around pulling pipe. When you do a sharp 90 degree turn. Do you have the hole predug? Then cut the pipe, and start pulling the other way? What kind of fittings do you use to tap in to the lateral for a swing joint?

I guess you have to use a master valve with poly?

irritation
07-02-2012, 11:25 PM
I guess you have to use a master valve with poly?

Only a hack would use poly for main. Don't even think about it.

country kid
07-02-2012, 11:26 PM
i always use a master valve.
i have not pulled much pvc.
fastest process would be pull all 1 inch for anything more than 8gpm. from valve to furthest head. then pull close, single heads to the " with 1/2" blu loc pipe or 3/4 poly. use blazing saddle tees with blu-loc 1/2" male adapters and blulock combo elbows for the heads.
pay more for the blu-loc fittings and pipe but saves on labour. dig smaller holes and compression fittings.
What I do is run 3/4"poly and split it with 1" then use blu-lock where it is suitable

country kid
07-02-2012, 11:27 PM
poly is better in colder climates

muddywater
07-02-2012, 11:28 PM
Only a hack would use poly for main. Don't even think about it.

Your screen name fits you well!

country kid
07-02-2012, 11:33 PM
30 head rotor system, done in 8-10 hrs with 3 guys

irritation
07-02-2012, 11:51 PM
Your screen name fits you well!

Yes, I get irritated working on other peoples junk. Whenever I see a poly main, it's sure to be a long day.:hammerhead:

Dirt Boy
07-03-2012, 12:06 AM
What difference does it make using poly for a main line?
PVC from PVB down to 10" deep, generally PVC to first manifold if it's within a few feet, then if there is going to be another manifold further away, it's poly.
Clamp it good, don't see what the deal is. OTH, I'm only dealing with 60 psi max. too, so with higher pressures, I could possibly see it.
Speaking for 1" lines.

irritation
07-03-2012, 12:20 AM
What difference does it make using poly for a main line?
PVC from PVB down to 10" deep, generally PVC to first manifold if it's within a few feet, then if there is going to be another manifold further away, it's poly.
Clamp it good, don't see what the deal is. OTH, I'm only dealing with 60 psi max. too, so with higher pressures, I could possibly see it.
Speaking for 1" lines.

Makes no difference, all systems are alike and installed correctly.:)

muddywater
07-03-2012, 07:47 AM
Yes, I get irritated working on other peoples junk. Whenever I see a poly main, it's sure to be a long day.:hammerhead:

I am a pvc pro not a poly pro, but having a master valve basically makes the main a lateral right? At least until a solenoid fails or a wire gets cut. What do you pull for a main line?
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country kid
07-03-2012, 12:40 PM
Here in Ontario. My city has about 20 irrigation companies. Not one, uses pvc for anything unless its a commercial job over 1 1/4".
If anyone tried selling pvc systems here they would not win any jobs.
No licensing, no backflow requirements.
Everyone here uses dual check valves as a backflow.
Laws are no where near to what they should be

EBHC
07-03-2012, 08:48 PM
So back to the mini skid. I used one about 5 years back and loved it. It was a house add on, so some of the yard was already trashed?
We own a 410 which is a great machine and serves us very well.
But I have wondered many times about going back to the mini skid.
Lots of advantages - ie: attachments!
Trencher, bucket, auger, grading equipment seeders etc.. this is great because we are a full service landscape company
We did the bore shots with an attachment as well and it worked great! You could place the attachment at ground level
The problems.....
I'm worried about tearing up grass and lawns
So anybody have any stories regarding grass destruction?

muddywater
07-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Anybody pull pex? Or is it cost prohibitive? It would seem to make a perfect main line.

Mdirrigation
07-03-2012, 10:32 PM
Ever pulled pvc?

What is the fastest process to do a system? I am trying to get my mind around pulling pipe. When you do a sharp 90 degree turn. Do you have the hole predug? Then cut the pipe, and start pulling the other way? What kind of fittings do you use to tap in to the lateral for a swing joint?

I guess you have to use a master valve with poly?


Been pulling pvc pipe for over 25 years . 3/4 1 inch and 1 1/2 inch pvc

Mike from Canada
07-03-2012, 11:11 PM
Here in Ontario. My city has about 20 irrigation companies. Not one, uses pvc for anything unless its a commercial job over 1 1/4".
If anyone tried selling pvc systems here they would not win any jobs.
No licensing, no backflow requirements.
Everyone here uses dual check valves as a backflow.
Laws are no where near to what they should be

allright, who the heck are you?:canadaflag:

AI Inc
07-04-2012, 09:01 AM
rent one for a job and see how it goes.

country kid
07-04-2012, 11:21 AM
allright, who the heck are you?:canadaflag:
haha, just a small guy in the same area as you.
Its been a nice dry year eh:canadaflag:

EBHC
07-04-2012, 01:10 PM
rent one for a job and see how it goes.
Yep
I'm scoping out the perfect job to try it. I want to be able to test all types of pulls etc

country kid
07-04-2012, 01:14 PM
Might have a hard time finding a place that rents out the vib plow attachment.
just sayin'

EBHC
07-04-2012, 01:18 PM
Might have a hard time finding a place that rents out the vib plow attachment.
just sayin'
We have a sunbelt rental that has one
And our ditch witch dealer has one

country kid
07-04-2012, 01:24 PM
Right on, you are very fortunate to have the option of renting one.
I only had the option of buying with a 6500+tax price tag

GreenI.A.
07-04-2012, 06:05 PM
Here in Ontario. My city has about 20 irrigation companies. Not one, uses pvc for anything unless its a commercial job over 1 1/4".
If anyone tried selling pvc systems here they would not win any jobs.
No licensing, no backflow requirements.
Everyone here uses dual check valves as a backflow.
Laws are no where near to what they should be

Sounds like here in MA. Only license required is a plumber is supposed to install the back flow, but I would say 9 out of 10 companies install the back flow them selves

irritation
07-04-2012, 11:00 PM
90% of the systems I service are all PVC. The rest are poly laterals only, no poly main. Why would you run poly and have PVC valve manifolds when you can just use PVC?

Wet_Boots
07-04-2012, 11:12 PM
why would you not plow all the pipe, if you could?

irritation
07-04-2012, 11:16 PM
I do and use PVC.

Wet_Boots
07-04-2012, 11:19 PM
Can't see it. Water getting into a system will break at least a full 20-foot length when it freezes.

irritation
07-04-2012, 11:31 PM
That's why we blow them out.

Wet_Boots
07-04-2012, 11:34 PM
Water still gets in - no one has foolproof lockouts

irritation
07-04-2012, 11:46 PM
Water still gets in - no one has foolproof lockouts

True and I've repaired frozen laterals but never mainline. I've also seen poly and heads split from freezing.

Mdirrigation
07-05-2012, 04:02 PM
Can't see it. Water getting into a system will break at least a full 20-foot length when it freezes.

Not when you use a real compressor to blow them out . 80 cfm or greater

AI Inc
07-06-2012, 06:52 AM
Because pvc dosnt come in 300 ft rolls.

muddywater
07-11-2012, 11:35 PM
Any other tips. I am buying a toro brand plow in the next few days.

GreenI.A.
07-12-2012, 12:33 AM
Only tip I can add for puking with a Shinto is to watch for buried stumps on houses that are 15-20 yrs old. I've had my life flash before me when the grounds fell in a few times
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