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plc87
07-05-2012, 01:30 AM
I've been doing apps for two years now and haven't ventured into any kind of add-on service for "bugs" until now. Had a customer call and asked if I could do anything about ticks; I guess his dog keeps picking them up just by being in the yard. I have a gallon of talstar that I bought for my own personal use for spiders at my house. Label calls for 1 ounce per k for ticks.

Planned on blanketing yard, landscaping, foundation, and into the tree line at the back of their lot. I told them I would do some more research but think that three applications for this year should get them taken care of very well for the rest of the year. Figure one now, aug 15, and end of sept. Is it worth their time and money. I'm pricing it the same as their fert/spray app and will do very well for the 20 min it will take me to get the job done.

Anyone have much experience with talstar?

mikerabbit
07-05-2012, 11:15 PM
I use it in Westchester NY, large tick population... Works very well, last year only did two applications for the season, no issues.
Mike

humble1
07-06-2012, 06:51 AM
I've been doing apps for two years now and haven't ventured into any kind of add-on service for "bugs" until now. Had a customer call and asked if I could do anything about ticks; I guess his dog keeps picking them up just by being in the yard. I have a gallon of talstar that I bought for my own personal use for spiders at my house. Label calls for 1 ounce per k for ticks.

Planned on blanketing yard, landscaping, foundation, and into the tree line at the back of their lot. I told them I would do some more research but think that three applications for this year should get them taken care of very well for the rest of the year. Figure one now, aug 15, and end of sept. Is it worth their time and money. I'm pricing it the same as their fert/spray app and will do very well for the 20 min it will take me to get the job done.

Anyone have much experience with talstar?

We do a lot of tick and mosquito control dedicated truck setup just for that. Talstar works well. We offer 3 times per year. But we also offer a monthly program for property that would get a lot of reintroduction from animals and birds. We used maxthor bifentherin last year I bought 12 cases to try. Settled out quick, foamy as as all hell. Talstar mixes nice love that stuff. We also use some other stuff as well in rotation.
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DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
07-06-2012, 06:59 AM
We use the granular on a few properties 2and times per season. Works well for us.
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fmcprosolutions
07-06-2012, 04:31 PM
Hey guys, I'm Lauren from FMC, the mfg. for Talstar . Here is some info regarding Ticks.....(Including ticks that may transmit Lyme Disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted fever): Do not make spot applications. Treat the entire area where exposure to ticks may occur. Use higher spray volumes when treating areas with dense ground cover or heavy leaf litter. Ticks may be reintroduced from surrounding areas on host animals. Retreatment may be necessary to achieve and/or maintain control during periods of high pest pressure. Repeat application is necessary only if there are signs of renewed activity. Limit repeat application to no more than once per seven days. Do not allow people or pets on treated surfaces until spray has dried.
Deer ticks (Ixodes sp.) have a complicated life cycle that ranges over a two year period and involves four life stages. Applications should be made in the late fall and/or early spring to control adult ticks that are usually located on brush or grass above the soil surface and in mid to late spring to control larvae and nymphs that reside in the soil and leaf litter.

American dog ticks: may be a considerable nuisance in suburban settings, particularly where homes are built on land that was previously field or forest. These ticks commonly congregate along paths or roadways where humans are likely to be encountered. Applications should be made as necessary from mid-spring to early fall to control American dog tick larvae, nymphs and adults.

Tick Program

• Spring & Summer- use Talstar granular with Verge applications for larvae/nymph control

Talstar-2 applications two months apart @ 2.3 lbs/1000

If adults present, spray Talstar on foliage and fencing

• Sept-Oct focus on liquid Talstar for adult control

Broadcast spray foliage and fencing (wood, stone, etc) to target questing ticks

Treat perimeter of house-leaf residual on potential overwintering sites (under siding, under landscaping)

Here's the link to plug into a Market Specialist for support. http://www.fmcprosolutions.com/Home/FindaFMCRep.aspx

mikerabbit
07-06-2012, 10:17 PM
fmc,
I believe thAt there is an ammedment to the label in NY for stink bugs. What are your recommendations for these guys.they were a pain the past two fall seasons here in the Hudson Valley of NY.
mike

MikeT
07-06-2012, 11:29 PM
Hi All,
I don't know about other states, but please note that here in PA, you must also be licensed in category 16, Public Health/Invertebrate Pests, to spray for deer ticks, as mice carry the ticks that spread lyme disease.

humble1
07-07-2012, 09:42 PM
We do a lot of tick and mosquito control dedicated truck setup just for that. Talstar works well. We offer 3 times per year. But we also offer a monthly program for property that would get a lot of reintroduction from animals and birds. We used maxthor bifentherin last year I bought 12 cases to try. Settled out quick, foamy as as all hell. Talstar mixes nice love that stuff. We also use some other stuff as well in rotation.
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I would also add, that the granular bifentherin works fine on lawns, but you cant get it deep into the thick stuff on wood lines, also ticks will hang out up off the ground on brush, 4-5 ft. They dont jump out of trees but they will be anywhere host animals are goiung to be, such as chipmunks and squirels.
We spray liquid so that we get all veg up to 6ft off the ground and about 20ft into the tree line, we spray everything landscaped. This is the best approach. As far as the stink bugs I am liking lambda cyhalothrin these days.

grassmasterswilson
07-07-2012, 10:56 PM
Hi All,
I don't know about other states, but please note that here in PA, you must also be licensed in category 16, Public Health/Invertebrate Pests, to spray for deer ticks, as mice carry the ticks that spread lyme disease.

same here in NC. once you start applying on structures you need a whole different liscense. I also think you need a different liscense for mosquitos. Why I don't know?!? I guess I could fog bushes and say I was treating for worms instead of mosquitos.

Its funny how the restrictions run. I can spray a lawn for insects but not for mosquitos? Go figure.

humble1
07-08-2012, 09:36 AM
I have my mosquito cat 47, turf and we do some pest control. I have a friend in NH that sprays for ticks on lawns and just lists it as spraying for turf insects, and he has his tree and shrub lic so sprays for whatever is out at the time. What's nuts in NH and arse backwards is how and where you can use round up. You mix the same have the same responsibility with mixing, storage and use. If you spray on turf you need a turf lic, if you spray a weed in the bed you need tree and shrub, and if you spray a weed on the sidewalk you need right away.
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Ric
07-08-2012, 10:30 AM
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In Florida, We have the Dog Tick and no Lyme Disease that I know. But the reason I am posting is, to ask if there is a Viable market for Auto Mist systems. Even with the excellent job Florida Mosquito Control does, there is a rich Market in UP SCALE areas for Auto Mist Systems. I would think mass hysteria of Lyme Disease would open a hold new market of Auto Mist systems.


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grassmasterswilson
07-08-2012, 11:27 AM
I have my mosquito cat 47, turf and we do some pest control. I have a friend in NH that sprays for ticks on lawns and just lists it as spraying for turf insects, and he has his tree and shrub lic so sprays for whatever is out at the time. What's nuts in NH and arse backwards is how and where you can use round up. You mix the same have the same responsibility with mixing, storage and use. If you spray on turf you need a turf lic, if you spray a weed in the bed you need tree and shrub, and if you spray a weed on the sidewalk you need right away.
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Last summer I looked into doing mosquito treatments. I had seen some dedicated mosquito companies in larger cities but not here. I was told by the dept of ag that I would need a different liscense. I did consider just doing it anyway and saying I was fogging bushes for mites or other bugs, but I thought that would be a little mis leading. I couldn't really advertise I treat for mosquitos. I sure don't want to bring any unwanted attention to myself.

I was also told by local entomologist that mosquito treatments weren't as effective as you think. He said it would work for the very short term, but unless you got all your surrounding neighbors to participate it might not do much good. Just going by what he said since I have no experience in treating or have my place treated.

SMC
07-11-2012, 12:11 AM
Tick spraying and Deer spraying have become the biggest parts of our business. We protect thousands of properties each year.

turf hokie
07-11-2012, 09:34 PM
Tick spraying and Deer spraying have become the biggest parts of our business. We protect thousands of properties each year.

Other than being in Ct and the Lyme capital...what did you do to get to the point of having tick control be such a large part of the biz?

We have grown our tick control apps by 300% this year by mostly word of mouth, but it is still a small part of what we do, I would love to grow it more....

humble1
07-12-2012, 06:31 AM
Other than being in Ct and the Lyme capital...what did you do to get to the point of having tick control be such a large part of the biz?

We have grown our tick control apps by 300% this year by mostly word of mouth, but it is still a small part of what we do, I would love to grow it more....

We give a quote for tick control to everyone we do work for some bite some don't. Up here you are protecting your family if you have it done.
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cgaengineer
07-12-2012, 06:44 AM
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In Florida, We have the Dog Tick and no Lyme Disease that I know. But the reason I am posting is, to ask if there is a Viable market for Auto Mist systems. Even with the excellent job Florida Mosquito Control does, there is a rich Market in UP SCALE areas for Auto Mist Systems. I would think mass hysteria of Lyme Disease would open a hold new market of Auto Mist systems.


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You should watch the documentary called "under our skin" it's about Lyme disease and talks about a lady in your state that has it. I think you won't consider it hysteria after watching. It is a problem, and we don't know much about it.

This particular lady has suffered 10 years with the disease. It's is estimated that many people are walking around with it and don't even know it...yet. The bacteria is very similar to syphilis.
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SMC
07-12-2012, 09:34 AM
Other than being in Ct and the Lyme capital...what did you do to get to the point of having tick control be such a large part of the biz?

We have grown our tick control apps by 300% this year by mostly word of mouth, but it is still a small part of what we do, I would love to grow it more....

For us, the reason our tick spray program has grown so much is because of our deer spray program. Ticks and deer go together. We spray thousands of properties each fall to protect the landscape from winter deer browse damage. Then we sell our deer spray customers on our tick spray program in the spring.

Some customers we get from deer control, some we get from tick control. Then we cross market for all our services.

For years we did some cable CT advertising for our deer spray service, but I don't think that has the same impact as it did before TIVO and DVRs. Local papers are always a good source of leads. Google ads seem to be somewhat effective.

The best advertising is word of mouth.

Ric
07-12-2012, 09:37 AM
You should watch the documentary called "under our skin" it's about Lyme disease and talks about a lady in your state that has it. I think you won't consider it hysteria after watching. It is a problem, and we don't know much about it.

This particular lady has suffered 10 years with the disease. It's is estimated that many people are walking around with it and don't even know it...yet. The bacteria is very similar to syphilis.
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"Hysteria" might of been a poor choice of words on my part. ""MAJOR CONCERN"" would be a better way to express my point.


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turf hokie
07-12-2012, 10:34 PM
For us, the reason our tick spray program has grown so much is because of our deer spray program. Ticks and deer go together. We spray thousands of properties each fall to protect the landscape from winter deer browse damage. Then we sell our deer spray customers on our tick spray program in the spring.

Some customers we get from deer control, some we get from tick control. Then we cross market for all our services.

For years we did some cable CT advertising for our deer spray service, but I don't think that has the same impact as it did before TIVO and DVRs. Local papers are always a good source of leads. Google ads seem to be somewhat effective.

The best advertising is word of mouth.

Thanks, that is about the same road we are travelling..

I think you may have a better market for those sales if you have as many customers as it sounds like you do. It is a tough/impossible sale on the deer repellents around here for some reason (it isnt for a lack of deer). tick control is getting much more response...

SMC
07-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Thanks, that is about the same road we are travelling..

I think you may have a better market for those sales if you have as many customers as it sounds like you do. It is a tough/impossible sale on the deer repellents around here for some reason (it isnt for a lack of deer). tick control is getting much more response...

You are not that far from us. We are in Fairfield County, CT. I used to do deer spraying in Westchester County, NY. You should be in a good market for both deer spray and tick spray.

I can send you some samples of our DeerPro sprays if you are interested. Just let me know. Here is some information: www.deerprorepellent.com

turf hokie
07-12-2012, 11:26 PM
SMC -- pm sent...thanks