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bigslick7878
07-10-2012, 08:20 PM
Any tips? Anyone ever done it before?

Just planned on making one step up, tree roots aren't any more than a few inches above current grade and that is only right around the tree. Around the edge roots are non existent. Trunk is only about 3 foot diameter, maybe 30 foot high fully grown.

The tree will be near center and the perimeter of the patio will be a good 10ft away in all directions.

Dr.NewEarth
07-10-2012, 09:22 PM
What type of tree? What type of building material?

I think it could put too much stress on the root zone and cause alot of tree problems.

If I had to build it, My preference would be a stilted wooden deck that mostly floats above the root zone and doesn't put weight on any lateral roots.

A paving stone patio would be a nightmare.

tadpole
07-10-2012, 09:49 PM
What type of tree? What type of building material?

I think it could put too much stress on the root zone and cause alot of tree problems.

If I had to build it, My preference would be a stilted wooden deck that mostly floats above the root zone and doesn't put weight on any lateral roots.

A paving stone patio would be a nightmare.

My first thoughts were also of the survival of the tree. Wooden deck sounds workable, anything else...risky.

bigslick7878
07-10-2012, 09:53 PM
Brick patio > Wooden Deck.

DVS Hardscaper
07-10-2012, 10:47 PM
never place any material (soil, gravel, sand, etc) above the crown of a tree.


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bigslick7878
07-11-2012, 01:39 AM
never place any material (soil, gravel, sand, etc) above the crown of a tree.


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And technically speaking how high or at what point on the tree would that be? We are only talking 8 inches height here, and I would leave a nice (say 2-3ft outside of trunk all the way around) area cut out around the base of the tree to let air and moisture get to it. Just put some mulch or a groundcover in that area.

Dr.NewEarth
07-11-2012, 03:29 AM
The drip zone.

DVS Hardscaper
07-11-2012, 09:43 AM
Crowns vary no straight answer possible.

If you are not familiar with a tree's crown - then this may be a job you should pass on.
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alexschultz1
07-11-2012, 11:20 AM
i use a firepit around the tree, this keeps the grade level but keeps the tree from being touched. It only works up to about 2'

http://www.pavestone.com/rumblestone/

just build it around the tree and back fill the area on the opposite side. I use a much cheaper version than this design too

tadpole
07-11-2012, 11:35 AM
Any compaction of the soil within the drip line of a tree can impair the health of that tree. The larger the area of compaction the greater the damage.

See-
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/forestry/publications/PDF_files/for00-008.pdf

BradLewisLawnCare
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
Any compaction of the soil within the drip line of a tree can impair the health of that tree. The larger the area of compaction the greater the damage.

See-
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/forestry/publications/PDF_files/for00-008.pdf

I love the actual reference to an educational publication. kudos

Birchwood
07-11-2012, 08:32 PM
Crowns vary no straight answer possible.

If you are not familiar with a tree's crown - then this may be a job you should pass on.
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My thoughts exactly, go back to cutting grass.

bigslick7878
07-11-2012, 08:50 PM
My thoughts exactly, go back to cutting grass.

I don't cut grass you moron.

If anyone has anything else to add that they didn't just google, feel free to do so. I can do that too, thought maybe someone had some actual experience. Obviously I was wrong.

By the way, since you all love to google try this...

http://www.google.com/search?q=patio+around+tree&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Look at the images and get back to me.

bigslick7878
07-11-2012, 09:04 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=patio+around+tree&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=7Bn&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0xD-T5ioF4Pd0QGrqOzGBg&ved=0CEYQ_AUoAQ&biw=853&bih=389

Birchwood
07-11-2012, 09:51 PM
I wouldn't rely on better homes and gardens for construction advice, Roger Cook said not to do it and suggested doing a deck, and the third site said a deck is the best option also.

first, you need to excavate for the patio so you will hit roots.
second, compacting gravel with in the root zone will be detrimental to the tree.
third unless you are using a permeable paver you will take away all water and nutrients that tree was ever going to get.

You possible could get away with encroaching 10-15% of the root zone and not hurting the tree.

Feel free to post pictures of the finished product, I believe there is a forum all ready started.

tadpole
07-11-2012, 09:55 PM
I don't cut grass you moron.

If anyone has anything else to add that they didn't just google, feel free to do so. I can do that too, thought maybe someone had some actual experience. Obviously I was wrong.

By the way, since you all love to google try this...

http://www.google.com/search?q=patio+around+tree&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Look at the images and get back to me.

http://www.google.com/search?q=patio+around+tree&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=7Bn&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0xD-T5ioF4Pd0QGrqOzGBg&ved=0CEYQ_AUoAQ&biw=853&bih=389

Yep, All wooden decks or planting beds. This is one of the photos from your second link )last row of page 1). You might want to read what it says.
http://triblocal.com/round-lake/files/cache/2012/02/Tree-and-patio-cropped1.jpg/460_345_resize.jpg You will find the text for the photo on your original link. Something about even pavers will impact a tree.

Birchwood
07-11-2012, 09:59 PM
http://www.ehow.com/how_12152556_build-patio-around-tree.html

I really love these instructions, it makes it sound so easy. Any one know where I can get a tamping machine?

tadpole
07-11-2012, 10:06 PM
http://www.ehow.com/how_12152556_build-patio-around-tree.html

I really love these instructions, it makes it sound so easy. Any one know where I can get a tamping machine?

I would recommend that you read your own search results more thoroughly. The article you linked to lists 2 references from the University of Minnesota. I would suggest that you read the first of these 2 links. Basically states the same facts as the link that I posted.