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ArTurf
07-16-2012, 07:35 PM
I checked for debris and flushed and then replaced top end and a new diaphram but still seeping. Any suggestions or last chance solutions. If I have to replace it's gonna be a SOB. Here is a picture of the type of valve. Ewing bought this valve and now sells it.

Wet_Boots
07-16-2012, 08:36 PM
You may have ruled out everything but a crack in the body near the seat.

Waterlogged
07-16-2012, 08:42 PM
Check for a hairline crack on the seat. Body could be warped or damaged some way. Any roots or ground shifting? I would take it apart and back together one more time, then replace

Without A Drought
07-16-2012, 08:54 PM
looks like an early model of an old weathermatic. check again for debris, scarring on the upper and the diaphram seat, then bite the bullet and cut it out.

DanaMac
07-16-2012, 10:13 PM
Hey Boots - is Buckner and Nelson one company? Those look like some Nelson valves that I "inherited". I actually had to use two of them this spring.

Wet_Boots
07-16-2012, 10:43 PM
Nelson was always its own animal, aside from some marketing team-ups, and one of the few sprinkler manufacturers east of the Mississippi.

irritation
07-17-2012, 05:42 PM
I needed a diaphram for a Buckner just like that about 3 weeks ago. Had to cut them out and replace, a 10 min job turned in to 3 hrs. It looks like irrigation direct carries them but I had no time for that.

http://www.irrigationdirect.com/irrigation-products-and-supplies/sprinkler-irrigation-repair-parts/buckner-repair-parts/buckner-vp-10-plastic-valve

They are not Weathermatic. Buckner and Nelson have no affiliation. Nelson turf was bought out by Signature.

irritation
07-17-2012, 06:25 PM
I guess the Champion Silver Arrow uses the same diaphram. Must be some kind of affiliation with Buckner and Champion and Weathermatic(Silver Bullet) uses the same type of bleed lever.

Wet_Boots
07-17-2012, 06:56 PM
I think the bleed lever was grabbed by everybody the moment the patent ran out

ArTurf
07-17-2012, 07:07 PM
I needed a diaphram for a Buckner just like that about 3 weeks ago. Had to cut them out and replace, a 10 min job turned in to 3 hrs. It looks like irrigation direct carries them but I had no time for that.

http://www.irrigationdirect.com/irrigation-products-and-supplies/sprinkler-irrigation-repair-parts/buckner-repair-parts/buckner-vp-10-plastic-valve

They are not Weathermatic. Buckner and Nelson have no affiliation. Nelson turf was bought out by Signature.

Ewing sells this valve now. As far as I know they call it "Ewing brand".

So here is the rest of the story. I pulled the top off again and saw a piece of debris (pvc/glue in 1st pic) which I removed with needle nose pliers. I then flushed it again and put it back together. Still seeping after that so bite the bullet and dedide I need to go ahead and replace it. It is threaded so that helps. After pulling I reach up into the input pipe and feel this piece of pvc(2nd pic). I thread on new valve and glue everything back together. Not as bad as I 1st thought, it took me 1 1/2 hours. I'm guessing the piece of pvc was too large to pass through valve and would suck back into pipe when I shut off the water, but would come back and stop diaphram from closing fully.

irritation
07-17-2012, 07:21 PM
Nice pics.

irritation
07-17-2012, 07:23 PM
I think the bleed lever was grabbed by everybody the moment the patent ran out

Like who else? I'm glad I see them seldom, parts are hard to find around here.

irritation
07-17-2012, 07:29 PM
Ewing sells this valve now. As far as I know they call it "Ewing brand".

Ewing must be in cahoots.

Wet_Boots
07-17-2012, 07:35 PM
Like who else? I'm glad I see them seldom, parts are hard to find around here.Orbit, for one

irritation
07-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Orbit, for one

Orbit? I wouldn't know. :dizzy:

DanaMac
07-17-2012, 07:59 PM
Looks like Champion uses it too. Champion (http://www.championirrigation.com/op_champarrow/orderportal/catalog_presentation/by_group/0/284/0/0/0/0/0)

irritation
07-17-2012, 08:04 PM
Yea, Champion Silver Arrow, Weathermatic Silver Bullet.:confused:

DanaMac
07-17-2012, 08:17 PM
And yes the orbit stuff as well, as sold by HD. I see these a lot on service calls.
orbit valve (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100025518/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=orbit&storeId=10051)

irritation
07-17-2012, 08:22 PM
What's that called, the orbit green puke? Thankfully my clients don't dig up and replace their valves.