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jeffwpayne
07-30-2012, 10:53 PM
ok guys my first post finally, iv done lawn service in the past right after high school from 05-08. Iv been back in the biz for 1 month now and have 15accounts. I noticed people in swfl really don't want to pay much for lawn care these days, iv had so many phone calls of people wanting monthly service for $50-$60 bucks max. There is no way in h3ll anyone can survive on that. I won't drop my gate for under $80 a month and that's for close friends. Years ago I billed monthly 60+ accounts now I'm charging by the cut, I mow when I get paid!!!! nothing like chasing down your money. I also want customers that want lawn care not mow and go lawn service, so with that said, I'm only looking to service 15-20 lawns 1 maybe 2days a week as I have a full time job in something outside the lawn biz. Just had to vent as I had a customer give me a $40 check to cover the entire month of Aug. I handed it back to him and said I can no longer manage his lawn as I would be losing money. So I pretty much set my prices at the max and the people that do pay it. Well we are both happy cause I'm not some hop and chop lawn dude. My work speaks for itself. Lol do I sound too cocky? Ha. Just sick of the people out there that want something for nothing, really grinds my gears even though I'm a cheapazz myself. Hehe
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bugsNbows
07-31-2012, 08:49 AM
My motto: no tickie, no laundry. Set your prices and do not negotiate. It is what it is.

williams lcm
07-31-2012, 04:54 PM
Why per cut? I will only bill monthly 12 times a year. Yes some prices are down but you can still find customers that want to pay for quality.

ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 05:03 PM
Holy crap! I don't charge less than 200/month. Is that full service?
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mjlcare2
07-31-2012, 05:10 PM
Holy crap! I don't charge less than 200/month. Is that full service?
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Holy Crap! Your in NC and know nothing about Florida lawn maintenance.

Florida Gardener
07-31-2012, 05:13 PM
Holy Crap! Your in NC and know nothing about Florida lawn maintenance.

Hahahahaha...it's true, Florida is different than any other state...
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jeffwpayne
07-31-2012, 05:39 PM
Why per cut?, cause If someone doesn't pay I don't want to work a month for free. And $200 a month in Florida is possible but that's for really nice lawns and top notch service most the time. Regular lawns its hard to get $100 a month. All depends on location and the customer. I found it less headache to collect by the cut. And stay away from the people that don't care about there lawns cause those people want it done for $10. Down here you see 3-5 lawn trucks at a stop light and maybe 1 is legit. Others advertise $15-$20 per cut but who knows there overhead.
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Landscape Poet
07-31-2012, 06:14 PM
Holy Crap! Your in NC and know nothing about Florida lawn maintenance.

This made me chuckle :)

ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 07:03 PM
You are correct. Not a thing, but I do know about cost of operation and if you can operate at those prices there, you would make a killing up here. Do y'all only cut biweekly? And is that full service
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mjlcare2
07-31-2012, 07:57 PM
You are correct. Not a thing, but I do know about cost of operation and if you can operate at those prices there, you would make a killing up here. Do y'all only cut biweekly? And is that full service
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Your joking right.. you really do know nothing about Florida climate grass.. we can grow grass on concrete.. of course we mow weekly and provide full service.. we also typically service quarter acre lots depending on your local.

It really doesn't matter what answer we give.. your response is going to revolve around you charging $200+.. we do to.. just not on quarter acre lots that take 20 min a go..
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Patriot Services
07-31-2012, 08:05 PM
Another noob that thinks he is going to dictate the economic climate the rest of us seem to be able to make a buck in. You go with the " I ain't dropping my gate for less than XXX". Only means your gear will have little wear when you put it on CL.

Reddens~ no offense but there is a reason we have our own subforum. Its just different down here. Amazingly it works for a savvy few. Steep learning curve but doable.
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Greg78
07-31-2012, 08:07 PM
After a year of doing by the cut you'll get with the program......

easy-lift guy
07-31-2012, 08:08 PM
Why per cut?, cause If someone doesn't pay I don't want to work a month for free. And $200 a month in Florida is possible but that's for really nice lawns and top notch service most the time. Regular lawns its hard to get $100 a month. All depends on location and the customer. I found it less headache to collect by the cut. And stay away from the people that don't care about there lawns cause those people want it done for $10. Down here you see 3-5 lawn trucks at a stop light and maybe 1 is legit. Others advertise $15-$20 per cut but who knows there overhead.
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My monthly accounts only pay in advance for the months service. Only way to work and it keeps the customers honest. No drama. No chasing down dead beat accounts.
easy-lift guy

Greg78
07-31-2012, 08:09 PM
Go back and search some and see how some of us bill, like myself, Patriot Services and easy-lift guy.

ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 08:43 PM
Your joking right.. you really do know nothing about Florida climate grass.. we can grow grass on concrete.. of course we mow weekly and provide full service.. we also typically service quarter acre lots depending on your local.

It really doesn't matter what answer we give.. your response is going to revolve around you charging $200+.. we do to.. just not on quarter acre lots that take 20 min a go..
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We're you trying to be an azz or did I just take it wrong. I admitted I don't know anything about Florida turf. I used to live there from birth until 12, so forgive my ignorance. I was just asking a question. And in all honesty, I want to learn how you make a living charging 60,80, or even 100/ month. If you can do that, and I can apply those principles to my business here, then I can become more profitable. Do can you give me a respectful answer
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Patriot Services
07-31-2012, 08:54 PM
We're you trying to be an azz or did I just take it wrong. I admitted I don't know anything about Florida turf. I used to live there from birth until 12, so forgive my ignorance. I was just asking a question. And in all honesty, I want to learn how you make a living charging 60,80, or even 100/ month. If you can do that, and I can apply those principles to my business here, then I can become more profitable. Do can you give me a respectful answer
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You already got you answer from MJ. The VAST majority of yards I service are 10k TOTAL. Minus out house, pool, patio, drive, sidewalk and beds. You end up with maybe 3~4k of actual turf. A crew of two can bang that in 10~15mins. Keep your route tight. Stay flexible, never say never. Too many guys speak in absolutes. If I can make money and work it in to the schedule, then yes I will take it. I have 50 dollar a month biweekly dirtbowl all the way to a 500 dollar a month mini mansion and everything in between. They all make money so why wouldn't I?
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Florida Gardener
07-31-2012, 09:00 PM
We're you trying to be an azz or did I just take it wrong. I admitted I don't know anything about Florida turf. I used to live there from birth until 12, so forgive my ignorance. I was just asking a question. And in all honesty, I want to learn how you make a living charging 60,80, or even 100/ month. If you can do that, and I can apply those principles to my business here, then I can become more profitable. Do can you give me a respectful answer
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You can actually make money here on bi-weeklies like patriot said, or full maintenance accounts. My lowest is $165/mo...which only gets 2 services/mo in the winter...it's about 3-K of turf...cutbacks, palms, flowers, fert, mulch all extra...my biggest is $1750/mo...most are 350-645/mo. There is money to be made in Florida, but you have to know what your doing...lot of jokers here, but the serious guys make $$.
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Landscape Poet
07-31-2012, 09:02 PM
We're you trying to be an azz or did I just take it wrong. I admitted I don't know anything about Florida turf. I used to live there from birth until 12, so forgive my ignorance. I was just asking a question. And in all honesty, I want to learn how you make a living charging 60,80, or even 100/ month. If you can do that, and I can apply those principles to my business here, then I can become more profitable. Do can you give me a respectful answer
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Here is a example for you. On my agenda for tomorrow I have 35 properties to complete. This properties range in price from $75 a month to $275 a month. All but 5 are in the same neighborhood, the other 5 are in the same neighborhood within a block of each other, two stops. They are all located within 8 minutes of drive time from my house.
The lawns that are in the lower $75 range - they take less than 13 minutes on average for my helper and myself to complete which includes mowing, edging, trimming and blowing the clippings off....there is 6 of them right next to each other, many others are next to each other or only one house separates them so loading and unloading and drive time are not a significant concern.

Most of these lots are less than 6K of turf, some owners choose to have us care for their shrubs, or weeds in the beds treated...this leads to the price difference. Each account is profitable.

The difference I think you may be seeing is you do not understand that our accounts pay all year long the amount we are talking about and we generally only work EOW or so during the winter months. So while you may make $200 a month - there are variable we do not face unlike you. We do not worry about someone calling us and telling us not to cut this week because it has not grown....that is not our concern.....our concern is to maintain the properties grass....if it does not need cut this week...so be it. Most of us do not worry about drought because the lawns are irrigated. So we do not have to worry about a loss of income because of a drought...the closest we come to drought is during our dry season if the home owners forget to adjust their irrigation system and the lawn is dry...at which point I leave a note and state that I will be back next week to cut and appreciate if the lawn was irrigated to allow me to do so...but I still bill them the same amount.

You on the other hand most likely have a limited growing season, get called by the homeowners and asked to go EOW during the growing season when rain is in short supply. You have to worry about many factors that we do not.

Our income is essentially able to be fixed...while yours is most likely very variable.

jeffwpayne
07-31-2012, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE=Patriot Services;4486639]Another noob that thinks he is going to dictate the economic climate the rest of us seem to be able to make a buck in. You go with the " I ain't dropping my gate for less than XXX". Only means your gear will have little wear when you put it on CL.

Haha noob, ok. Every one does it different chief. And that's my way. And 2,022 hours is very little hours on my mower?

ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 09:29 PM
LP 85% of my customers are on contract so they pay year-round. It does not matter if there is a drought for a monsoon the property still gets maintained as needed which is typically every 5 to 10 days. In the wintertime I do not cut. I make an appearance once a month to check the property over for anything that seems out of place. I was not trying to disrespect anybody prices. Thank you landscape poet and patriot services for your well thought out answers. Diamond as well
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Patriot Services
07-31-2012, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE=Patriot Services;4486639]Another noob that thinks he is going to dictate the economic climate the rest of us seem to be able to make a buck in. You go with the " I ain't dropping my gate for less than XXX". Only means your gear will have little wear when you put it on CL.

Haha noob, ok. Every one does it different chief. And that's my way. And 2,022 hours is very little hours on my mower?

15 accts and 2000 hrs? Either very used or very old when you bought them.
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Florida Gardener
07-31-2012, 09:36 PM
LP 85% of my customers are on contract so they pay year-round. It does not matter if there is a drought for a monsoon the property still gets maintained as needed which is typically every 5 to 10 days. In the wintertime I do not cut. I make an appearance once a month to check the property over for anything that seems out of place. I was not trying to disrespect anybody prices. Thank you landscape poet and patriot services for your well thought out answers. Diamond as well
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I didn't take it as disrespectful...a lot of guys just don't get how Florida works...besides Texas, cal, and Arizona, we are the only state that cuts in the winter. But we don't have to worry bout droughts like Texas, the high heat of Arizona, etc.
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mjlcare2
07-31-2012, 09:42 PM
[QUOTE=Patriot Services;4486639]Another noob that thinks he is going to dictate the economic climate the rest of us seem to be able to make a buck in. You go with the " I ain't dropping my gate for less than XXX". Only means your gear will have little wear when you put it on CL.

Haha noob, ok. Every one does it different chief. And that's my way. And 2,022 hours is very little hours on my mower?

Aint that the truth.. Most of us here do this for a profession whereas you do this extra cash.. btw.. can wen see your license and insurance.. 15 yards a week doesn't put a whole lotta cash in your pocket if you are doing this legit

mjlcare2
07-31-2012, 09:49 PM
We're you trying to be an azz or did I just take it wrong. I admitted I don't know anything about Florida turf. I used to live there from birth until 12, so forgive my ignorance. I was just asking a question. And in all honesty, I want to learn how you make a living charging 60,80, or even 100/ month. If you can do that, and I can apply those principles to my business here, then I can become more profitable. Do can you give me a respectful answer
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Maybe I jumped to the conclusion you were going to go the route of
"haha I charge more than you" as most do when they start out a post with the holy crap I charge X amount.. how do you survive.. if that's not the case, I apologize for my hasty accusations.. As most have said.. we work on smaller home lots.. some do atleast.. where quantity puts money in our pockets..most LCO's routes only take them 10 miles from the house. Mine don't but a lot of LCO's here in FL are that way. The cost of living is very different I am sure and there are just way too many factors that effect our pricing.. move down here and I will give you more info! haha

ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm not headed your way to live anytime soon. Not a huge fan of cuba or new york so I'll stay here in nc and keep the Hispanics company. Haha
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mjlcare2
07-31-2012, 10:05 PM
I'm not headed your way to live anytime soon. Not a huge fan of cuba or new york so I'll stay here in nc and keep the Hispanics company. Haha
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You forgot the just plain ol' Assholes.. we got plenty of them.. they are even starting to rub off on my northern butt.

cgaengineer
07-31-2012, 10:12 PM
12 month contracts are the way to go for any customer I you can sell it. We have mostly 12 month contracts but some customers won't do it.
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ReddensLawnCare
07-31-2012, 10:19 PM
You forgot the just plain ol' Assholes.. we got plenty of them.. they are even starting to rub off on my northern butt.
I yeah and my southern hospitality has been tested by some this year
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cgaengineer
07-31-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm originally from Fl...call me a Cracker, born and raised there...had to move away from the northerners.

Funny thing is, I moved north to get away from them!
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jeffwpayne
08-01-2012, 12:36 AM
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Aint that the truth.. Most of us here do this for a profession whereas you do this extra cash.. btw.. can wen see your license and insurance.. 15 yards a week doesn't put a whole lotta cash in your pocket if you are doing this legit

Actually I do mow to help pay bills, I got licensed and insured before I started as I was suppose to get a total 60 accounts from another lco as he had too many. He was offered a good chunk of mula so he took it. Which is fine. I'd like to go full time again but can't afford to give up my other job right now to do so. I'm slowly building my customers and only taking the ones that care about how things look. The reason of this post was for me to vent cause most people here can relate.
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jeffwpayne
08-01-2012, 12:42 AM
My monthly accounts only pay in advance for the months service. Only way to work and it keeps the customers honest. No drama. No chasing down dead beat accounts.
easy-lift guy

I have to agree that's the best way to do it, problem iv ran Into most people don't like paying in advance as they have had other guys quit showing up (illegals) Have to gain there trust first right.
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greendoctor
08-01-2012, 02:37 AM
I didn't take it as disrespectful...a lot of guys just don't get how Florida works...besides Texas, cal, and Arizona, and Hawaiiwe are the only state that cuts in the winter. But we don't have to worry bout droughts like Texas, the high heat of Arizona, etc.
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$200 a month sounds about right for a 5-6000 sq ft lot with too many palms, too much foliage plants and about 1000 or so of grass that is reel cut. Blow through a property like this in 15 minutes-FIRED. I have seen properties without landscaping and 2000 or so of weeds to be cut with a rotary. Now those are $50 a month and done in 15 or so minutes.

cgaengineer
08-01-2012, 06:22 AM
$200 a month sounds about right for a 5-6000 sq ft lot with too many palms, too much foliage plants and about 1000 or so of grass that is reel cut. Blow through a property like this in 15 minutes-FIRED. I have seen properties without landscaping and 2000 or so of weeds to be cut with a rotary. Now those are $50 a month and done in 15 or so minutes.

But a McDonalds hamburger where you are is $26 ;)
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Florida Gardener
08-01-2012, 07:46 AM
But a McDonalds hamburger where you are is $26 ;)
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I thought it was big kahuna burger
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Ric
08-01-2012, 12:02 PM
But a McDonalds hamburger where you are is $26 ;)
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Great point about different markets. Certainly New Dork prices are going to be closer to Green Doctor's Price than Florida. Add in this economy and all the out of work grass cutters etc.

But the point I want to make is not every one has to be Willy Sutton and go after the High Dollar accounts. If you can find that niche market, Mow and Go can be profitable. I have seen several (for lack of a better word) LOW BALLERS be very successful. Fact is in my old age I am proud to be a Low Ball inside pest control business. More Money in my Pocket, Less Work and More Fun.

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greendoctor
08-02-2012, 04:33 AM
But a McDonalds hamburger where you are is $26 ;)
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Its actually around $2-3 I think. Don't know for sure because I have not bought anything from there for over 10 years. Otherwise, my idea of a burger is around $6. Good thing I only need to have one. It would become a problem if I ate 2 and 3 at a time.

The government is disorganized enough that they do not require you to have a license to start a mower or plant a few flowers, much less be able to maintain a cadre of bureaucrats intent on enforcing such ridiculous regulations. I am thankful that government here does not have their s-t together. The cost is in fuel, property and food. I am sure it would not be $200 or more for FULL SERVICE of a 5,000 sq ft lot if gas was not over $4.30, median price of a house was not over $600,000 and a pound of beef almost $10. Mowing for $30 a cut or doing applications for $5 per 1000 is not realistic under these conditions.

Ric
08-02-2012, 09:50 AM
Its actually around $2-3 I think. Don't know for sure because I have not bought anything from there for over 10 years. Otherwise, my idea of a burger is around $6. Good thing I only need to have one. It would become a problem if I ate 2 and 3 at a time.

The government is disorganized enough that they do not require you to have a license to start a mower or plant a few flowers, much less be able to maintain a cadre of bureaucrats intent on enforcing such ridiculous regulations. I am thankful that government here does not have their s-t together. The cost is in fuel, property and food. I am sure it would not be $200 or more for FULL SERVICE of a 5,000 sq ft lot if gas was not over $4.30, median price of a house was not over $600,000 and a pound of beef almost $10. Mowing for $30 a cut or doing applications for $5 per 1000 is not realistic under these conditions..


I am not for government regulation and believe in a free society, BUT.

I have seen too many backward landscape Designs that looked beautiful the day they were installed. And looked like a jungle 6 months later.

Let us not even talk about backward mowing & chemical practices.


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Florida Gardener
08-02-2012, 10:39 AM
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I am not for government regulation and believe in a free society, BUT.

I have seen too many backward landscape Designs that looked beautiful the day they were installed. And looked like a jungle 6 months later.

Let us not even talk about backward mowing & chemical practices.


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Rico agree with that 75% of the time. The other 25% is a cheap homeowner who won't pay a quality company to maintain the 20-K landscape they just had installed. In fact that number may be higher...but I agree, most installs are designed poorly.
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Ric
08-02-2012, 03:37 PM
Rico agree with that 75% of the time. The other 25% is a cheap homeowner who won't pay a quality company to maintain the 20-K landscape they just had installed. In fact that number may be higher...but I agree, most installs are designed poorly.
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Seems like every other person that moves to Florida is an expert landscape designer or premium Landscape maintenance person. Most don't know the name of the Plants they install let alone how it grows. I won't even begin to talk about Chief Scalp em Up and his weed eater grass killing methods.


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Patriot Services
04-05-2013, 05:36 PM
ok guys my first post finally, iv done lawn service in the past right after high school from 05-08. Iv been back in the biz for 1 month now and have 15accounts. I noticed people in swfl really don't want to pay much for lawn care these days, iv had so many phone calls of people wanting monthly service for $50-$60 bucks max. There is no way in h3ll anyone can survive on that. I won't drop my gate for under $80 a month and that's for close friends. Years ago I billed monthly 60+ accounts now I'm charging by the cut, I mow when I get paid!!!! nothing like chasing down your money. I also want customers that want lawn care not mow and go lawn service, so with that said, I'm only looking to service 15-20 lawns 1 maybe 2days a week as I have a full time job in something outside the lawn biz. Just had to vent as I had a customer give me a $40 check to cover the entire month of Aug. I handed it back to him and said I can no longer manage his lawn as I would be losing money. So I pretty much set my prices at the max and the people that do pay it. Well we are both happy cause I'm not some hop and chop lawn dude. My work speaks for itself. Lol do I sound too cocky? Ha. Just sick of the people out there that want something for nothing, really grinds my gears even though I'm a cheapazz myself. Hehe
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I just had to revive this one. Funny how guys like this blow onto a thread, tell us how great they are, how we are a bunch of hacks, then disappear after getting their butts handed to them. 5 posts and never to be heard from again.:usflag:

easy-lift guy
04-05-2013, 05:45 PM
I just had to revive this one. Funny how guys like this blow onto a thread, tell us how great they are, how we are a bunch of hacks, then disappear after getting their butts handed to them. 5 posts and never to be heard from again.:usflag:

Very Typical.
easy-lift guy

Greg78
04-05-2013, 06:28 PM
I just had to revive this one. Funny how guys like this blow onto a thread, tell us how great they are, how we are a bunch of hacks, then disappear after getting their butts handed to them. 5 posts and never to be heard from again.:usflag:

Hear hear!!

Florida Gardener
04-05-2013, 06:49 PM
I ask this every year so by tradition I will ask it again, WHERE'S CK LANDSCAPING AT?!?!
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Landscape Poet
04-06-2013, 02:06 AM
I ask this every year so by tradition I will ask it again, WHERE'S CK LANDSCAPING AT?!?!
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Shoot me a text and remind me FG, I have his cell number although I have not had contact with him in a couple of years. Not sure if he is still in the game or not. Last I talked to him he had taken a decent hit by losing a Wal-Mart or some other larger commercial property if my memory serves me correct.

MR-G
04-22-2013, 09:03 AM
We run several crews, a dedicated commercial crew, a high end residential crew, and multiple mow and go crews...we try to leave no stone un-turned when it comes to making money...the commercial accts. are the only ones that we wait a little on for payment (usually under 30 days) all the rest are billed & collected in advance or at the time of service. it is mandatory for a new client to open a billing acct. in order to start service. this means we keep a credit/debit card number on file and we run that right before each service date...if it doesnt go thru we call for a good card number or we skip service visit all together...have very little issues with collections this way..and the fees to process are not bad at all....it works for us...and yes, we bill by the cut on all residential services.