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Pooswa
08-11-2012, 12:22 PM
About to start building a fence around my back yard..it's roughly going to be 230 feet of fence just some questions that I have? if anybody has advice I would be thankful for it

Should I go with buying the 6 x 8 panels that they sell or should I put each fence board separate ? Is there a difference in quality of wood ? I'm not much of carpenter but do have some skill in that department ..but I am also looking for the fastest way to get this up..

Is it fine putting up the 4x4 post every 8 feet to set the the runners/ panels? does putting one in the middle for support make a difference? just Worried about sagging fence in a few years..

Do I set fence board on ground or how much clearance should I give between fence board and the ground?

Is quickcrete the best cement to use?

I'm sure that I'll have other questions as I get this project moving


Thanks for any advice given :clapping:

NEwhere1
08-14-2012, 03:06 PM
Should I go with buying the 6 x 8 panels that they sell or should I put each fence board separate ?


Is your yard perfectly flat? If not I wouldn't go with pre-constructed panels. You could contour the bottom of the panel to fit the earth but that would be a pain in the butt.


Is it fine putting up the 4x4 post every 8 feet to set the the runners/ panels? does putting one in the middle for support make a difference? just Worried about sagging fence in a few years..

My newly built fence has posts every 8-9' (professionally built). My 8 year old fence has posts every 8-9' with no sagging.


Do I set fence board on ground or how much clearance should I give between fence board and the ground?


My fence was constructed with treated wood. We didn't want are little dog to be able to get out. Fence boards go to the ground. Old fence boards went to ground as well. I haven't seen any issues with it.


Is quickcrete the best cement to use?


Don't think it really matters, however the fence company i used specified that it was to be premixed and then poured into hole vs. just pouring in dry mix and letting it set up from ground moisture.



Additional info: My fence was constructed with aluminum nails to prevent future rust stains where the nail heads are located. You may want to check with the wood manufacturer to make sure the treatment process they use is compatible with aluminum. You may not care and use steel nails.

For my gates the 2x4 structure was made with Cedar. This was to reduce the overall weight of the gate to make it last longer. Old fence gates were crap, these are much better. Gates were also set flush with the outside edge of the 6x6 posts, so that when you opened them all the way the hinges did not bind. I'll post a pic for clarity.

Lastly, Post were set first, then the stringers were installed (the boards that connect the posts), then the fence slats were put up. AFTER they were all put up they came back and cut the top of the fence in an arc between posts.

If you do a decorative cut to the top of your post, do it before you set post, or at least before you install slats.

If your are in Georgia the company that did mine is supper competitive and uses quality dried wood that smaller companies can't compete with.

EDIT

Here you see old fence with a new gate, notice the cedar structure

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff373/NEwhere1/Pool%20Build/IMG_2180.jpg

Here you see new fence, prior to arc being cut, and notice they worked their way from one post to the next with full boards, and then went back and cut the last board to the size it needed to be to fill the gap.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff373/NEwhere1/Pool%20Build/IMG_2140.jpg

Old fence meeting new fence (new fence is 7.5' tall, old was 6, this shows the transition

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff373/NEwhere1/Pool%20Build/IMG_2157.jpg

see how gate is set out flush with face of posts, notice it could open all the way out without stressing hinge, previous gates were flush with the fence, and you could "over open" them causing damage to hinges

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff373/NEwhere1/Pool%20Build/IMG_2173.jpg

Pooswa
08-15-2012, 12:48 AM
Thanks for the advice...I'm not going with the panels...fence looks good..hopefully I can get started this weekend..

Groomer
08-16-2012, 09:39 AM
that last pic is awkward- rails should always be on the inside, like they are by the gate.

NEwhere1
08-16-2012, 09:56 AM
that last pic is awkward- rails should always be on the inside, like they are by the gate.

The last pic i should not have included, i only did because it was the only outside view of a gate that i have taken.

What you are looking at is a 8'x20' fenced in area hiding pool equipment and storage. The yard fence runs into the middle of that rectangle to the left of the picture gate. The reason the rails are on the inside of that 8x20 are is because part of it functions as the yard fence, and by pool codes the rails have to be on the inside of the fence.

The right side of that pic you see rails like you see on the left side of the pic (those are fake rails). To the left of the gate you don't see rails because they are on the inside of that fenced in area. The reason there are not fake rails there is because where we sit the majority of the time you can't see that gate or fence.

Pooswa
08-16-2012, 01:15 PM
that last pic is awkward- rails should always be on the inside, like they are by the gate.

Is there a reason why rails should always be on the inside?..I was going to go with rails on outside so when I sit in my backyard it looks good to me and my neighbors can look at the ugly part!
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NEwhere1
08-16-2012, 01:35 PM
Rails on the outside make it easier for people outside your fence to climb over....

You get used to looking at the rails....

So used to it in fact that I think the outside of my fence is the ugly side....

avguy
08-16-2012, 02:01 PM
If it's within your budget put the rails to the inside and cover those as well. If you're using treated pine, the boards will shrink considerably over time leaving gaps between the boards. Stagger the inside boards so they cover the gap of the outside boards.

Oasis-Outdoor
08-16-2012, 02:07 PM
I've had a fence construction biz for about 12 years. Don't do the prefab panel thing. A fence is so much stronger and more attractive if you custom build it from wood components. When you install your posts, put them at approximately 7' 9" on centers. This will allow you to have 8' 2x4's evenly meeting on each post. Obviously, you will have to cut a little from each 2x4. Also, spring for western red cedar pickets rather than the pressure treated ones. The treated ones will (I repeat WILL) warp like crazy, no matter how well you attach them to the framework. Good luck with your project.

Pooswa
08-16-2012, 03:21 PM
If it's within your budget put the rails to the inside and cover those as well. If you're using treated pine, the boards will shrink considerably over time leaving gaps between the boards. Stagger the inside boards so they cover the gap of the outside boards.

Not in my budget to do that. But other than that is there any reason I couldn't put the rails on the outside ?
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Pooswa
08-16-2012, 03:28 PM
I've had a fence construction biz for about 12 years. Don't do the prefab panel thing. A fence is so much stronger and more attractive if you custom build it from wood components. When you install your posts, put them at approximately 7' 9" on centers. This will allow you to have 8' 2x4's evenly meeting on each post. Obviously, you will have to cut a little from each 2x4. Also, spring for western red cedar pickets rather than the pressure treated ones. The treated ones will (I repeat WILL) warp like crazy, no matter how well you attach them to the framework. Good luck with your project.

Im dealing with a company called Bell fence manufacturing ,they have locations along the gulf coast.I got quoted for culled cedar boards ..they said there's nothing wrong with them just didnt meet whatever specs they have and that they will look and work just fine.. They are a dollar cheaper than normal..he didn't specify what kind of cedar it was but I'll ask..they also have some boards made out if cypress that are cheaper then there cedar boards..while I know the durability of cypress I just never heard of using it fir fences?
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avguy
08-16-2012, 04:06 PM
Not in my budget to do that. But other than that is there any reason I couldn't put the rails on the outside ?
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I think most people prefer the rails to the inside for aesthetic reasons. It give the home better curb appeal.

Pooswa
08-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Good point .. But I only have one side of fence facing road so I will putthose rails inside..this is only about 30 feet of the fence I have to put in

Swampy
08-17-2012, 01:43 AM
I think most people prefer the rails to the inside for aesthetic reasons. It give the home better curb appeal.

I don't know where you live but here the municipal building codes are to put the ugly side (stringer side) in to not detract your neighbors view. The only way to some what cover it up is to do something semi privacy where the dog ear's are staggered on both sides.

Yes AC2 warps like crazy, I would follow the suggestions to go ceder, it'll be easier to work with like AC2 vs vinyl. I would use screws vs nails, if you need to replace a panel or take on out for any kind of service work, its easier. I've used Deckmate brand before on repairs and building fences with no problem of rusting and we get a ton of airborne salt spray. Leave the bottoms of the panels off the ground a little, prevents wicking moisture up out of the ground and prolong life of the panel. If your building alone don't use prefabbed panels, again harder to handle alone plus if you need a custom size other than 8ft such as 4.5ft easier to build. Prefab panels now, depending on manufacturer are stapled together vs nailed/screwed.

avguy
08-17-2012, 06:23 AM
I hadn't thought about local codes but it certainly would make sense. As for the screws, I'll second that. Try to find a source other than Lowes or HD though as they can get expensive.

Pooswa
08-17-2012, 08:42 PM
I was also wondering about using metal poles instead of 4x4 posts? I had somebody suggest that to me and I never heard of it or seen it.. When I went to the place where I'm gonna wind up buying the material from they also suggested metal poles..this will cost me about 300 dollars more if I use them ...does anybody know about this?

NEwhere1
08-18-2012, 11:23 AM
Round poles? What would you cap them with? How would you attach wood to them?
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Pooswa
08-18-2012, 11:44 AM
Yes round poles..they quoted me on caps which are I think the same one they use on a hurricane/Chain Link fence they will pre drill the holes for me and attach with lag screws or bolts..

Oasis-Outdoor
08-19-2012, 07:39 PM
I was also wondering about using metal poles instead of 4x4 posts? I had somebody suggest that to me and I never heard of it or seen it.. When I went to the place where I'm gonna wind up buying the material from they also suggested metal poles..this will cost me about 300 dollars more if I use them ...does anybody know about this?



You can use 2-3/8" metal posts, which are usually used for end posts on chain link fences. Simpson Strong-Tie makes some metal adapters to fasten the wood 2x4 cross members to the round posts. The metal posts eliminate the warping that is all too common with the treated 4x4's nowadays.