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irrig8r
08-11-2012, 06:46 PM
Not sure which came first, the CIC or the CRC. Haven't run across very many in the last 10 years. To me it looks just like a CRC but in an outdoor box.

CIC-12 has a serial number of 00348. Trying to guess how old it is.

A gardener who refers work to me alerted me to this customer with controller problems. NiCad backup wasn't holding a charge.

Controller was mounted in the garage about 6 feet off the ground because of little empty space on the wall. Customer (who is 82) was using a stepstool to program it!!!

Pulled it and replaced with an ESP-M outdoor on the exterior side of the same wall at eye level. Easy access for me and his gardener this way and easier monitoring for everyone.

Going back next week for nozzle replacements, arc adjustments, etc. to make 7 zones of PGJs work better, and replacing one zone of Toro 570Zs with either 1804s or Hunter Pro-Sprays and MP Rotators.

irritation
08-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Poor old lady, she can't only find the clock but now has no idea how to program it.

koster_irrigation
08-13-2012, 11:47 AM
take a pic of that old thing.. i collect old relics like that....

irrig8r
08-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Poor old lady, she can't only find the clock but now has no idea how to program it.

HE (not an old lady, but an old man, and a smart orthopdeic surgeon just about to retire) used to program the CIC himself... and because the back up battery failed sometime back, he's had to do that every time the power has failed, which is at least 5 or 6 times / year.

Nice things about the ESP-M for my older clients, besides the NVM and lithium battery, are the larger display and the contractor default, where if they mess up the programming I just push two buttons and we're back to where I left it.

irrig8r
08-13-2012, 03:25 PM
take a pic of that old thing.. i collect old relics like that....

Sure thing. Later today.

sprinklerchris
08-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Not sure which came first, the CIC or the CRC. Haven't run across very many in the last 10 years. To me it looks just like a CRC but in an outdoor box.

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Mid 1980's I would guess. The CIC was similar to the CRC, but in a metal outdoor case with lock. We installed a few back then.

irrig8r
08-14-2012, 04:04 PM
1983 it turns out. Plastic outdoor case. It came in 8 and 12 station models apprently.
This one had stickers on it from various service guys over the years. Haven't taken pics yet, but I will. Manual is worn but all there. Handwritten receipt too. Customer was charged $364.00 for it 29 years ago.

irrig8r
08-14-2012, 05:10 PM
Here are a few photos. Last shot shows a side view of the panel. Looks like it has MOVs on all zone circuits. In my experience the keypads were less robust than the Irritrol MCs, but this one lasted.

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
08-14-2012, 05:16 PM
MOV's AND optical couplers on every station..... those controllers were hard to kill. Both RB and Irritrol used the same Texas Instruments keypad. I have two CIC's out in the warehouse with serial numbers 00019 and 00020..... they are so old the the faceplates are actually metal. They were given to my Dad by Rain Bird to install and try out. I'll have to find them and take some pictures.

Mike Leary
08-14-2012, 05:26 PM
They were given to my Dad by Rain Bird to install and try out. I'll have to find them and take some pictures.

Do, I've never seen those clocks.

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
08-14-2012, 05:33 PM
I lied.... they are serial numbers 00074 and 00075. I think that we had 00019 and 00020 somewhere out there but I can't find them. These were Rain Bird's first entry into the fully electronic controller market. These controllers were built, by hand in Irwindale California, not far from their current CA headquarters in Azusa. All of their controllers were built there in that facility until the early 90's when they moved the controls group to San Diego and the controls manufacturing facility to Mexico. That crappy brown first version of the ESP was one of the first controllers that they built in Mexico. The CIC, CRC, RCM and ISC all shared a common architecture and were very very well engineered and built controllers for their time. Somewhere I have a prototype ISC that was taken out of the field. I'll have to look around for that one too.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/sclmcoinc/64E5D988-FD88-4C60-A9DA-3D0392B089C6-9498-00000AC2799CB246.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/sclmcoinc/26F589F4-7061-426F-B102-8F2F7A92A130-9498-00000AC282448C40.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/sclmcoinc/5C9F59CE-3455-4674-8217-65FB57A6AD62-9498-00000AC289AAD32B.jpg

Wet_Boots
08-14-2012, 06:14 PM
Ohhhh, I see breadboard. :)

1idejim
08-14-2012, 07:17 PM
you have some cool tools on the work bench big guy :clapping:

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
08-14-2012, 08:05 PM
you have some cool tools on the work bench big guy :clapping:

yeah.... I've got some expensive things left over from when I was repairing controllers.... The Fluke shown below is one of my favorites.... it was the most expensive damn volt meter that I ever purchased but boy is is accurate!

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/sclmcoinc/7825194B-ACE9-468E-AF13-D7E50416B72E-9498-00000ACCA220B3A6.jpg

1idejim
08-14-2012, 08:11 PM
yeah.... I've got some expensive things left over from when I was repairing controllers.... The Fluke shown below is one of my favorites.... it was the most expensive damn volt meter that I ever purchased but boy is is accurate!

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/sclmcoinc/7825194B-ACE9-468E-AF13-D7E50416B72E-9498-00000ACCA220B3A6.jpg

boy i bet it takes a few brain cells to run that too :confused:

seriously, nice set up you have.

nice seeing you post again :waving:

Wet_Boots
08-14-2012, 08:36 PM
I suppose you'd almost want a storage scope for the modern controller repairs.

sprinklerchris
08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
I lied.... they are serial numbers 00074 and 00075. I think that we had 00019 and 00020 somewhere out there but I can't find them. These were Rain Bird's first entry into the fully electronic controller market. These controllers were built, by hand in Irwindale California, not far from their current CA headquarters in Azusa. All of their controllers were built there in that facility until the early 90's when they moved the controls group to San Diego and the controls manufacturing facility to Mexico. The CIC, CRC, RCM and ISC all shared a common architecture and were very very well engineered and built controllers for their time. Somewhere I have a prototype ISC that was taken out of the field. I'll have to look around for that one too.

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Thanks for the history. I think the RCM was the one in the metal case. I remember the "monitor while on" button on the CIC and RCM. It allowed you to see the stations count down their run time instead of looking at just the clock.

irrig8r
08-14-2012, 10:07 PM
http://www.rainbird.com/images/products/diy/timers/HP-8_sm.jpg

I once tried out a Rain Bird HP series controller.... 12 stations. It was an oddball. Made in France as I recall. Discontinued. Haven't seen another ever. The terminal strip was numbered right to left. Tiny LCD display.

http://www.rainbird.com/documents/diy/man_HP.pdf

sprinklerchris
08-14-2012, 10:16 PM
http://www.rainbird.com/images/products/diy/timers/HP-8_sm.jpg

I once tried out a Rain Bird HP series controller.... 12 stations. It was an oddball. Made in France as I recall. Discontinued. Haven't seen another ever. The terminal strip was numbered right to left. Tiny LCD display.

http://www.rainbird.com/documents/diy/man_HP.pdf

A product of Rain Bird's division in France

http://www.solem.us/upload/doc_module_4093_en_1.pdf

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
08-14-2012, 11:37 PM
The crazy thing is that they discontinued the HP here in the US and then brought it back a couple of years later. It was one of their worst controllers IMO....

Mike Leary
08-14-2012, 11:58 PM
boy i bet it takes a few brain cells to run that too :confused:

seriously, nice set up you have.

nice seeing you post again :waving:

Ditto................:clapping: