PDA

View Full Version : What do I need??


caseysmowing
08-22-2012, 08:36 AM
I put a ez dumper insert into my 1998 1500 Z71 long bed. I know I need a 3/4 or bigger truck just trying to make due with what I got. I want to raise the back back up with overload springs or at a leaf I just don't know what I need. My main use with the dumper is leafs in the fall. Let me know what I should get and where I can get it and of course $$$.

caseysmowing
08-29-2012, 08:08 AM
No one was ever done this?? I find that hard to believe. Over load springs, add a leaf, or air bags???

gcbailey
08-29-2012, 08:10 AM
I would go with the air bag system.... but if you're going to use a 1/2 ton I would seriously, seriously consider upgrading the brakes if you're going to have a load on it. Most people think the differences between 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton are just in the engines and payload, brakes have a lot to do with it too!

ParkWelding
08-29-2012, 08:15 AM
Your first post had the answer. You need a bigger truck. Once you put the dump insert in, you have almost no payload left.

caseysmowing
08-29-2012, 08:26 AM
I'm not going to be going on the road with a load all my jobs are curbside pick up. But they are big yards like 5acres so that is why I'm asking. And yes brakes are the biggest problem with overload. Eventually I would like a f350 with a 7.3 but this is my first season so that is not in the budget.

gcbailey
08-29-2012, 08:30 AM
the big trucks use air bags for a reason. I've been in the place before about having to work with what you have, but please be careful. I lost a half ton truck a little over a year ago due to it not being duty rated. Manufacturers post capacities for a reason. I don't think I would dare think about pulling a trailer with the dump insert even with trailer brakes.

caseysmowing
08-29-2012, 08:42 AM
I will look in to the air bags and how did you lose the 1/2 ton??? I do pull a tailer with the insert in and yes it is pushing it.

gcbailey
08-29-2012, 08:52 AM
we were loading a 32HP kubota onto a parked, and chocked 1/2 silverado. the weight of the tractor pushing on the truck/trailer (which was on a slight decline) caused the parking pawl to tear off transmission along with the planetary gears. I had safety jacks under the rear of the trailer to keep the weight from pushing the rear end of the truck up too. I was loading the tractor and went along for the ride (helplessly) and the truck ended up going through a house causing $20k totaled the truck, trailer, most of the equipment. I had a guy end up braking his back trying to jump in the truck to stop it.

The insurance company tore into the truck down at Danville and found what happened, they said they had saw several instances where 1/2 pickups had transmission failures due to not being able to properly handle stuff. He said maybe the only thing I could have done would be to have the truck in 4x4, but when the gear tore off it was basically free wheeling and skidded the chocks down the road. Not fun...

caseysmowing
08-29-2012, 09:17 AM
That doesn't sound like fun. 32hp kubota is a pretty good size tractor to be pulled by a half ton. Did your insurance company drop you??? You have to be very carefull when using a half ton passed its limits.

macgyver_GA
08-29-2012, 09:36 AM
Maybe you should hold off on buying a dump insert until you can get a bigger truck and just stake the bed with some higher sides for now. You'll be close to maxing out that payload with just the dump insert then add debris on top of that and you're asking for trouble.

Don't get me wrong, I've overloaded my tacoma before...but it was for personal use and not driving that far. Add the business piece into the equation and you're entering a another realm of legal issues.

caseysmowing
08-29-2012, 09:47 AM
I already have the insert in and I won't be going on the road with it loaded down just the insert and sides. If I don't have the insert I will be unloading buy hand atleast 20 loads of chopped up leaves.:dizzy:

gcbailey
08-29-2012, 03:48 PM
That doesn't sound like fun. 32hp kubota is a pretty good size tractor to be pulled by a half ton. Did your insurance company drop you??? You have to be very carefull when using a half ton passed its limits.

No they didn't drop me, I had helper springs on the truck to help level out the load, and the tractor is a B3200 that weighs empty 1964lbs..... all within the limits of the truck a lot lighter than a dump bed insert loaded into the back of a truck. The problem was all that weight was pushing on the truck and it didn't have anywhere to go so the pawl inside just snapped from the tension and took off. Just remember what you said above "you have to be very careful when using a half ton passed its limits..."

I'm amazed at the number of 1/2 trucks I see around here pulling 5th wheel campers and the such.

01thump
08-29-2012, 04:43 PM
Air bags you can adjust per load which makes it real nice..I have them on my dually and love them I never sag and have had a good deal of weight on it at times handles great when you do not need them you can let the air out and maintain factory ride if you choose to...there is your answer Air bags...get the gauges as well you can adjust as you go down the road for ride comfort ..