swivel mowers are they worth the extra $

[TheLawnRanger]

these swivel mower are cool. but they cost big time! can we find them on line any where?<br>i like 21&quot; mowers ONLY! and i saw one of these at home depot any one got one? they got casterwheels on front instead of fixed wheels! they turn great! no lifting involved!<br>they are zero turn 21&quot; LOL.

[Guido]

Wow, If those 21&quot;'er's are as you said &quot;costing big time&quot; no wonder why you don't want to start a grounds maintenance business! Imagine what the swivel wheels in the front of a ZTR cost, probobly the same as those mowers!! LOL I'm sorry, I'm still laughing from your &quot;I hate commercial mowers&quot; post. LOL :)<p><p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[Ssouth]

I purchased the 21&quot; Scott's mower from Home Depot approxiamately 1 month ago. It cost $535 w/tax. I'll be taking it back next week. Don't get me wrong I LOVE THE SWIVEL WHEELS but the mower sucks. I only use this mower 2 hours a week for small places my Exmark won't fit in and I only mulch. This mower does not do a good job mulching. Although it does a good job bagging, I just don't like it because when mulching it leaves a trail of clippings. (Before, I used a ten year old snapper that the blade had only been sharpened once or twice and I don't think the oil had ever been changed and it mulched much better). I think the Scotts mower is actually built by Ariens ( not sure). If you have any other questions you can E-mail me.<p>Stuart H. South<br>Ssouth@hiwaay.net

[Blackhawk Lawn Care]

I have recently followed the lemmings to the sea, and purchased a swivel mower. I paid $439.00 for a Cub Cadet w/ a 6.5hp Intek Briggs motor. We purchased ours through a farm implement dealer. I have about 15 hours on it. I installed an hour meter for maintenance purposes. All of our employees fight over that mower. Our Toro 21&quot; is headed down the salvage road, and another C.C will undoubtedly take its place. About the only problem that we have had with it is on steeper sidehills or terraces. It likes to walk down hill alot, but its not a major problem more of an annoyance.

[accuratelawn]

Snapper makes a 24 or 26 inch with a 6 hp, with the cools front wheels. It also has a brake or lock to keep them straight when going across a slope.<br>Friend bought one last year and has worked well. $900, sorry that counts you out lawnranger.<br>

[All Green]

I just bought a 21 cubcadet i love it I paid 400 with a bagger.6 speeds the casters lock when on a slop or hill i'd recemend it.

[Toroguy]

Ssouth,<br>Scott's lawn tractors are mfg. by John Deere. Push mowers ??

[TheLawnRanger]

thnks for the replys.<br>ill be looking into cub cadet and the scotts.<br>snapper is too much! even the others are too. lol im cheap! I HAVE NO OVER HEAD!!!!<br>like to keep it that way! but i do find good 21&quot; mower for 50-100$ lol that i make coulpe<br>thousand dollars on. then sell it for the same price i got it for after i beat it to death! in a year or two.(buyer be ware)lol<br>ill be looking for a swivel mower if you know where i can get one!<br> does any one know a good place to get a cheap good swivle 21&quot;mower??? airens,scotts,snapper,cubcadet?, ty 4 your help! by the way im HAPPY R U?<br>god bless! ~mark~<br>

[fdew]

Mark<br>You don't list your email address in your profile so I need to tell you in public<p>This &quot;then sell it for the same price i got it for after i beat it to death! in a year or two.(buyer be ware)lol&quot;<p>Dosent fit with this &quot;im HAPPY R U? god bless! ~mark~&quot;<p>Frank (a brother in Christ)

[steveair]

Hello,<p>I worked for a company about 4 years ago and they puchased one of those 'swivel' front caster push mowers. I believe it was a Ariens (was painted orange as I remember) and was expensive, around 600 or 700 then. It was just out then, and I believe was one of the first 21&quot; mowers with the front castors. The price reflected one of those &quot;new to market&quot;, fad items.<p>It turned out to be a piece of junk.<p>The crew, on the first day they went out, used it once, and then put it right back on the trailer. They said it was almost impossible to get it to cut in a straight line. The cut was good, but it had a tendency to swerve all over the place with those castors up front. It was a real nice looking piece of equipment, but just didn't work.<p>steveair

[TheLawnRanger]

i read my email once every month or so! LOL<br>i have no friends that email me or flaimly<br>so i dont bother with it<br>buy the way i said&quot; buyer beware&quot; the the turth isnt it! they dont have to buy it if they dont want too. i dont twist there arm.<br>i buy GOOD CHEAP lawn mowers (21&quot;)'s<br>i beat on them but i keep them oiled and greased and CLEAN!!!!! the just really work hard for me thats all! some of my lawns take 1hr and a half . whatever works , works ya know? i use them and lose them be fore i got to spend any $ on them i usllay dont lose any money. but once in a while ill lose 10.00<br>or 20.00 LOL!<p>well i looked at those swivel mowers today more closey. they move great! but im still<br>worried about how they got that clamping device to make them go straight! looks as if it might break easyly?but i take care of my<br>mowers they r my money makers so i treat them with care! but they do take a lickin some days when it gets hot out! 90 today!<br>glad im done for today! early well its fun to come here and read and chat! i learn and <br>find intresting things to read and some things are better left unsaid! dont judge me!<br>im happy r u! ~mark~ god bless

[Ssouth]

Toroguy<br>The dealer at Home Depot told me that Scott's 21&quot; mowers are also made by John Deere except the one with caster on the front. He said it was made by Ariens. Don't know if it's true but he was not the &quot; normal salesman&quot; , he was very knowledgeable about mowers in general. <br>and Lawnranger if you do decide on a swivel mower you better believe that they are a little difficult to get used to. You will have one hell of a time trying to mow a straight line over 60 feet long but the casters work well in tight situations. I'm still going to return mine, but you should try one and decide for yourself.<p>SSouth

[Evan528]

lawnranger..... how old are the lawnboys you are currently using.... cant amagine the new ones would hold up to everyday use.

[TheLawnRanger]

i use a 91 lb<br>4 hp comm. one speed! got it for FREE!<br>this lady was giving it away b/c she couldnt get it started! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL<p>changed the plug and gas! and one pull! POW!<br>it starts with one pull every time! for free!<br>i made thousands from that mower !:)<p>im thinking about a craftmans i saw one i a garage sale for 30.00$ i might go back and afford 20.00 .<p>iam having second thoughts about the caster wheels just b/c of the money!<p>but if i could find a cheap one online some where?<br>

[Evan528]

youll be lucky if that craftsman lasts you a week.... since you dont have the expence of a commercial mower the least you should do is get a new commecial quality 21incher.

[southside]

Honda make an excellent 21&quot; mower.<p>Karl<br>

[Guido]

you tell him Karl!! I think its pretty funny when you said I have some 1.5 hour lawns, and you seemed to be boasting!! I think that needs to be turned upside down. I think you have 30 minute lawns that take you an hour and a half!! I'll be totally honest with you , I think your FOS. If you were making thousands as you say so much, You would buy a new mower. Have fun though, and leave god out of this when your stealing lawn boys from old ladys instead of helping her fix it, and then selling your junks for the same you bought them for. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same, but I wouldn't put Gods name in the same paragaraph as any scheme of mine!!<p> I'm happy, but I think your faking it!!<p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[accuratelawn]

Well put Guido.

[jeffyr]

At Alamia.com you can buy the swivel casters for a snapper for $90 additional.<p>Not too shabby

[MLS]

1.5 hours on one job with a 21&quot;er and you say that you make thousands. Yeah right, I don't usually get into this kind of conversation but please, you are insulting all of us who bust our butt everyday to make a living. We use good quality commercial equipmentnot because it looks good but because it is the ONLY way tosuceed in this business. OH by the way the little old lady that you ripped of was probably someones grandmother and if she were mine then we would have to talk. What a jerk. <p><p><font size="1">Edited by: MLS

[rebel2002]

Bravo Guido...... thelawnranger this is a commercial lawn care forum! I hate to bring this up but i'l risk it &quot;YOU ARE A SCRUB&quot; you sicken me talking about making thousands, scheming old ladies, oh yaeh cant forget those long hour and a half jobs. Then you have the nerve to put or fathers name on your posts! you are the SOB type that gives all of us a bad name!<br> Now to everybody else, I'm sorry but when somebody opens their mouth like he has i just lose it...we all work hard and we all have bills unlike &quot;him&quot;

[KirbysLawn]

He's at it over in the Residential Lawn Care Forum now. LawnRanger, give it a rest!