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ClassicLawnCareInc
09-17-2012, 08:25 PM
Im looking at getting a new truck.

Either truck would be a 4 door, 4x4 diesel, 19500 gvw with a 12ft landscape dump.

Ram 5500 or Ford F-550

Both trucks are the same everything and options.

I don't know which on to go with.

any info on either?

I currently have a 2010 Ford F-450 same setup as these trucks.

4 seasons lawn&land
09-17-2012, 08:41 PM
2010 is tired out all ready?

KrayzKajun
09-17-2012, 08:50 PM
Ram 5500. I love my 11' 3500. Hope to add a 4500 or 5500 flatbed for next season.
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meets1
09-17-2012, 09:16 PM
subscribed as well. I am in the same boat. I am a GM man but they dont offer so I gotta ask the question too.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-17-2012, 09:36 PM
Nah my 450 isnt tired out already but there are a few reasons im looking to trade. I need to spend some money for taxes, also the warranty is about to go up on my truck.

I really dont trust the 6.4 engine. I already have gotten rid of 2 6.4's b/c of engine problems at low miles (under 36k).

I really dont trust the 6.7 diesel in the ford either lol, but the local dealers are Ford. I dont have a certified dealer that can sell or service the ram close to be. The closest Ram dealer is over an hour away.

If it weren't for the distance itd be a Ram hands down.

4 seasons lawn&land
09-17-2012, 10:29 PM
well thats a good reason. With the ford theres a pretty good chance youll be in the same boat u are now with motor stuff. cummins is good but with diesels today, you never know when it needs a dealer computer or array of other things. you could get a ford v10

Marek
09-18-2012, 08:25 AM
How do you like your 11 dodge compared to the Ford you traded for it ?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 10:19 AM
I love it, I actually traded 2 Fords in for Rams. Ive now got the 11 2500 and the 12 3500 srw. I love them. Ive got about 9k on each and havent had any problems at all. I love the 800 lb ft Tq. I like that theyve had this setup going since 2007 and they havent changed to much, were as Ford has chaged there stuff up what 3 different times since 07?

grassman88
09-18-2012, 10:22 AM
i would go with the ram but ive heard good and bad about both trucks what about a chevy 4500 with duramax ive only heard good things about them some day i will have one i hope lol

ClippersLC
09-18-2012, 11:46 AM
I have a 2011 Cummins. I have put 26,500 on it in 14 months time. Even with your Dodge dealer being an Hour away think about how often you need service honestly. Once a month if that? plus you have other trucks to fall back on if it needs service. I look at what the Motor can do, thats why I wet with Dodge, Cummins sells itself on its reputation, plus i like the horsepower andtorque it put out stock before i did a few upgrades. Ive had good and bad in several trucks (dodge, chevy, GMC, ford) so i say its a matter of personal prefference. but if it were me then... well look at what i have :waving:

KrayzKajun
09-18-2012, 11:54 AM
Very well said Clipper. I bought my 3500 on 8/29/11 as of today i have 29545 trouble free miles. http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/1AAAC5A0-7524-4341-AFF1-9FF826706DF5-18981-000017AB2D412A1B.jpg
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ClippersLC
09-18-2012, 12:24 PM
Very well said Clipper. I bought my 3500 on 8/29/11 as of today i have 29545 trouble free miles. http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/1AAAC5A0-7524-4341-AFF1-9FF826706DF5-18981-000017AB2D412A1B.jpg
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Kajun, you bought yours 4 days after me. i got mine on 8-25-11. had 13 miles on it when i signed the papers and drove it off the lot. great minds think alike :waving:

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 12:32 PM
I do like my 2500 and 3500, but is there alot different on the 5500's? I know there's not many around here.

ClippersLC
09-18-2012, 12:35 PM
Engine and tranny is the same, just more suspension. More leaf springs and bigger tires, basically. My 3500 has the 4500 suspension under it, plus airbag overloads so its technically a 5500 lol
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KrayzKajun
09-18-2012, 12:38 PM
I do like my 2500 and 3500, but is there alot different on the 5500's? I know there's not many around here.

Do a search for Kellys Landscaping. He has a 4500 & 5500 i think.
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Marek
09-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Also remember the chassis cab have alot less hp then the pick ups in all three . One big deal breaker for me is the lighter axle on the pick ups from dodge. Alot of tow truck guys around here went to Dodges after having 6.0 and 6.4 trucks, they are now back to buying Fords. Its a crap shoot any way you look at it. What type of body are you looking to put on it ?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 04:01 PM
either way Id have a 12' landscape dump put on it.

Marek
09-18-2012, 04:19 PM
Are you going to go Aluminum or steel ? If you are looking to do Aluminum there is a guy up here doing some really nice aluminum beds Ask for Tony

http://www.easterntruckequipment.com/CustomTruck_Bodies.php

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 06:08 PM
Ha I actually had 2 snowplows put on by these guys, they were great lol

Marek
09-18-2012, 06:49 PM
They are building a really nice body for the landscape guys about the best I have seen. You bought from the guys in Boonsboro ? or the guys in northern VA ?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 07:39 PM
I bought 2 plows from the guys in Boonsboro. They had the best price twice. The second time was right in the middle of the 3 big storms we had 2 years ago and they took care of me last minute and got me in and out even though I wasnt a regular customer.

Turfenvy1
09-18-2012, 09:08 PM
I purchased a Ram 5500 earlier this year and much to my surprise I love it. I was Pretty much a ford guy all through the 90's and up to 2008. I have had Six different trucks from ford. The early 7.3 was a strong engine but the trans was light. the 6.0 we dont even need to say what is wrong with them. and the quick fix of the 6.4 was not much better. Bring it in we need to re flash the computer for fuel milage. I decided rather than waste another 60k on the newest motor I decided to go Ram/Cummins. Glad I did the Truck Pulls nicely gets about 11 MPG empty, and 9.5 loaded with 7 ton of stone. I do believe the Gross combined weight is up to 30,000 lb. The base line interior is very nice and makes you feel good. Comfortable. Not saying the new Ford motor is junk at all, in fact Ive heard very good things about the truck. I Have 9200 miles on the Ram as of today and Im quite happy. Have not been back to the dealer yet.*trucewhiteflag*

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-18-2012, 09:26 PM
Turfenvy thanx for that info! That makes me feel better. After pricing both the Ford is about 1500$ cheaper, but Id feel more comfortable with a Ram...

LibertyFarmLandscaping
09-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Engine and tranny is the same, just more suspension. More leaf springs and bigger tires, basically. My 3500 has the 4500 suspension under it, plus airbag overloads so its technically a 5500 lol
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There is definitely a difference. In the pickup version 3500 you have no def fluid, the Cab and Chassis trucks have had DEF fluid since 10' I think. All 2013 trucks are supposed to have DEF fluid. The auto transmission in the pickup is a 68RFE which tends to have problems when worked hard regularly or tuned with high horsepower on a emissions deleted truck with a tuner. The 6 speed manual is a G56 which is the same in the Cab and Chassis all models 3500,4500, and 5500.

All cab and chassis have the Aisin automatic trans which is supposed to be a heavier duty transmission similar to the Allison in the duramax. The 4500 C&C has 19.5" wheels and beefed up suspension. The only difference in the 5500 is 1 additional leaf in the rear springs.

I have an 11' 2500 with a 6 speed manual with deleted emissions, and 5" straight turbo back exhaust with an H&S XRT pro tuner.

Go to cumminsforum.com and you will learn more than you ever wanted to know about a diesel. If you don't put very many miles on a truck I would go with the V10 Ford option. :drinkup:

LibertyFarmLandscaping
09-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Forgot to mention I have 28000 on my 11' bought 9/31. I deleted around 10k. Never been back to the dealer.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-19-2012, 11:35 AM
Nice, I want to delete the dpf on my 12 3500.

Is the Ford really built with more heavy duty parts like the axles?

Marek
09-19-2012, 11:56 AM
Sure someone could answer that . If you look at the front axle capacity on the pick ups there is a hudge difference. The 4500 -450 and up couldnt tell you

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-19-2012, 04:24 PM
This Ram would come with a PJ's all metal 12' landscape dump body. Ive never heard of them, they are out of North Carolina. The pics and info on their website look great, but it's hard to tell looking at pics. After comparing the Ford vs the Ram the Ram is about 1500$ cheaper by the time we are all done and out the door.

Marek
09-19-2012, 07:22 PM
The PJ body is a good body they are a hudge company . Start looking at tandems going down the road and you will see alot of PJs bodies. What was the price on the body ? What size hoist under it ?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-19-2012, 08:50 PM
GS615HD - Scissor Hoist. Its a metal 12' landscape dump. 10,500$

From looking at their website they look well built.

Turf Commando
09-20-2012, 12:05 AM
Dodge sells trucks cheaper then GM and Ford ... There's your sign.!
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Marek
09-20-2012, 08:02 AM
Are you dealing with Ralf on it ? I almost bought my Chevy from him

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-20-2012, 10:30 AM
If I go with the Ram itd be through Barry @ Criswell in Gaithersburg. If I go with the ford I'd deal with my friend @ Fredrick Ford in Seaford De.

Now Im just trying to decide which one I want. Im trying to see what the main differences are between the 2 trucks besides the engines.

Marek
09-20-2012, 02:39 PM
Just got back from Eby Body in PA . If you are thinking of going aluminum they have an awsome body they are custom building to a large landscape companies specs . 12' with removable sides a low pull out gate in the rear that will also be used as a walkboard for the guys to load wheel barrows on the truck and a built in tool box ,cab shield and dump hoist for 13k. Thats only a little bit more than the steel body but it will last a life time.
I saw somewhere that the warranty on the trans on the 4500 and up Dodge is 180 k miles is that right ? Call the guys number that I sent you at Ford they sell both Ford and Dodge and he will be able to tell you all the differences. I have yet to find a guy that knows trucks as well as he does.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-20-2012, 03:02 PM
K Ill call that guy now.

On the aluminum body, do you think itd hold up as well as a steel body? Ive always heard they are a lot lighter, but more expensive and dont hold up as well?

Marek
09-20-2012, 05:15 PM
Ruppert, True green , Us Lawns and several others are switching to the aluminum bodies to save alot of weight.With the weight savings they can go to lighter chassis or just add carring capacity and better empty fuel milage . I will send you the numbers to the guy at Eby and let him send you pictures of the body they are doing right now . Dollar for dollar the best I have seen yet by leaps and bounds. They are doing a flatbed for me early next week. They also were had several aluminum trailers that were awsome looking. As far as being strong look at all of the over the road tankers and dumps. They told me the reason people have problems with the bodies being weak are they are used to building them out of steel and try to do them the same when they need to be built differently

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-20-2012, 05:31 PM
Nice. The aluminum bodies look good. Im thinking they are the way to go. Now to decide on a truck....

Marek
09-20-2012, 07:48 PM
We always trash the chassis before the body. They big guys are planning for multiple chassis to be used under the original body. Thier trailers are really slick ,truly built to last a lifetime. I want one but wil wait to see how winter treats us first. Thier 14k 20' skidloader trailer weights under 2400 #s compaired to a steel trailer of equal quality weighing 4200 #s . So just towing a T 190 track loader will put you right at the magic 10 k with an aluminum trailer or well into CDL range with a steel trailer

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-20-2012, 08:17 PM
Dang that does sound like a good deal, its a lot lighter

alldayrj
09-22-2012, 04:03 PM
pics or a link to the trailers?

Marek
09-22-2012, 04:50 PM
http://www.mheby.com/flatbed/index.php How goes the truck search?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-22-2012, 07:21 PM
Mike's trying to find me a F-550. He would 3 hes working on getting one of them.

Im still on the fence between the Ram and Ford. Itl probably come down to which total deal is cheper.

Marek
09-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Here is one of the Bodies http://centuryfordmtairy.com/Baltimore-DC-Metro/For-Sale/New/Ford/F-450/2012-4X2-XL-White-Truck/13105817/

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-23-2012, 09:54 PM
Yup thats the body Im looking at buying. Im also looking at having my local body company build me that same body.

seabee24
09-24-2012, 12:12 AM
Forget the brand of truck, the cummins motor and reputation kills anything ford has ever offered. Ford guys will jump all over this statement but that's because they have never owned one.

I'm pretty sure the cummins will get better mpg.
The cummins will start in sub zero weather if it gets 3 revolutions with no glow plugs. Try that with a ford motor-
It will run until the truck is worth nothing.
It is used in generators, that run non stop at high rpm for months straight
It is used in heavy iron equipment
Fire trucks use them

All you really need to do is own one for 3 years and you will in time understand and appreciate all the differences

Marek
09-24-2012, 01:31 AM
Are you talking about Waynes Welding ? If so that is one of thier bodies.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-24-2012, 06:23 AM
Yup for the body, Mike has one waynes body in stock. Meadows Hydraulics here in Fruitland MD also can make me the same body, with a few minor changes for the same price as the body wayne built. Im not sure which way im gonna go on the body. Theyd both be great choices. Waynes would be quicker b/c they already have it, but I deal with Meadows all the time and itd be easier for them to fix it if i had any problems down the road.

On the Ram of Ford debate, here what Ive kinda put together between the two from talking to multiple people.

The ford is a built a bit larger, has larger breaks, larger chassis and overall is a bit more heavy duty. the Ram in my opinion does have the better engine but Im nervous about hows the rest of the truck going to hold up for 3-6 years with around 19k on it almost everyday. My current 2010 F-450 has held up great as far as the body, I just dont trust my 6.4 engine lol. Also The nearest Ram dealer that works on these trucks is over an hour away. Ive got a ford dealer that can work on 550's here in my town.

Now I havent been able to find a direct comparison between the two trucks to see how big the brakes are, how large the chassis is, how big this and that are, If anyone knows where I can compare each side by side thatd be great.

Marek
09-24-2012, 08:02 PM
My truck should be done by the end of the week. Now just need to decide on the plow. One plow dealer really want us to try a Boss but every other plow we own is a Western and knock on wood have never really had any major problems with them. This one will also have a Salt dogg poly unit on it.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-24-2012, 08:11 PM
Nice, what kind of truck did you get?

Also I have one Western and one Boss and I like them both. Havent used either much

Marek
09-24-2012, 08:16 PM
350 crew chassis XL with windows and locks 6.7 4x4 w/ 9' Eby aluminum flatbed with 2 under body boxes and 15" sides.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-25-2012, 06:22 AM
Nice, now if you dont mind me asking whyd you stay with a 350 over a 450 or 550? dont need to carry the extra weight?

Marek
09-25-2012, 07:56 AM
This is more of a tow truck,crew carrier,tool carrier,a truck I wanted to build. We only use our 450 - 550 trucks when we need to carry the weight, need the dump, you know mulching , leaves, patios stuff like that. They are to expensive to just tow a grass trailer all day. The tires brakes and fuel will hurt your bottom line big time. My thinking now is to run diesel pick ups , since they have the most miles put on them, about 15 - 25 k per year and gas 450 dumps as we only put 9 - 11 k per year on them

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-25-2012, 11:42 AM
Hmm that is an interesting concept. I have heard of some guys going with gas engine larger trucks.

Kelly's Landscaping
09-25-2012, 03:07 PM
I vote for the Ram 5500. These are my babies my 4500s and for us we love the ability effortlessly do lawn crews with them on mowing days then put 3-4 yards of top soil on them or 3 pallets of fertilizer or lime on them the next day.

Marek
09-25-2012, 05:55 PM
What do the trucks weigh each and what type of weight are you towing ? What type of mpg are you getting empty and when you are using them on grass days? I dont see plow frames on them , how come ?

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-25-2012, 06:41 PM
Id like some more info on your Ram trucks. Miles, problems?

Picture Perfect Landscape
09-25-2012, 10:00 PM
Do you have anymore pics of your trucks?

Kelly's Landscaping
09-26-2012, 12:06 AM
I think this will be easier to just link to a few threads of mine that have pictures already. http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=382580 http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=377651

Kelly's Landscaping
09-26-2012, 12:18 AM
What do the trucks weigh each and what type of weight are you towing ? What type of mpg are you getting empty and when you are using them on grass days? I dont see plow frames on them , how come ?

They are 16000 gvw and low 9000s empty

mpg will differ depending on which of the 3 gear ratios you choose I have the middle one the 4.10 and Iv seen on a long trip all the way to New Hampshire and back and average of 17.1 mpg. But empty I get 12-14 normally. Towing I start out around 11 but as the grass adds up and I am hauling 2000 pounds of that around on top of nearly 6000 pounds of trailer that drops to 9-10 mpg.

I currently do not plow but the 2012 was bought with that in mind and it has 4wd the plow prep package and the ambulance prep package. That's the truck on the right, the 2011 on the left is just rear wheel drive I didn't want to plow at the time I got her.

Marek
09-26-2012, 07:23 AM
Nice looking trucks. I like the look of the Dodge and the engine speakes for its self. Around here there are no dealers close by that will work on them when they do go down. You have got your hands full keeping those bad boys clean. All of our trucks are white.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-26-2012, 10:56 AM
Yup same here no close dealers for major service work.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 09:45 AM
Well I went with the F-550. They ended up doing everything for me. They are taking the body off their truck, taking the truck to my body shop, and letting me use my truck until the new truck is done. I went with a 2012 F-550 crew cab 4x4 6.7 diesel. payload plus package, 19500 gvw. For the body we are having a 12' aluminum dump body custom made for us. Itll have 48 inch sides.

Ill post pics when it gets done in about 2 weeks.

KrayzKajun
09-30-2012, 09:49 AM
Sweeeeet.
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ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 01:59 PM
Yup Yup yup yup

Marek
09-30-2012, 03:41 PM
Who did you buy it from , and who is doing the body ? I had one of the guys pick up our new 12 last night and I drove it some today. Really like it ! Eby did a nice job on the bed

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 03:54 PM
Nice truck I like that. Iended up going with Preston Ford here on the shore for the truck and Meadows Hydraulics for the body. Preston beat Mike by about 1800 bucks plus with Preston I dont have to go anywhere, they are taking my new truck to meadows and bringing it to me when done I just keep on driving my old one until its done. Mike was great though gave me a ton of info and when I let him know I wasnt using him he was still cool about it.

Marek
10-26-2012, 08:34 AM
Classic , hows the new truck coming along ? Are you ready for the storm ?