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kirk1701
09-27-2012, 06:37 PM
Hey guys

I bought two Emerald Green Arborvitae
http://www.aboutarborvitae.com/emerald_green_arborvitae.shtml
And will be planting tomorrow but before I do I wanted to get your advice. I need them to grow as if they were literally on viagra :laugh:

They are small, 10" high and were only $7 each at Lowes so I know I don't want to burry them in fertilizer yet so what you recomend?

Triple 10?

Think Green
09-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Kirk,
How fast is how fast?
You are not going to make these trees grow any faster than they are willing....fertilizers added. The trees in your photo link is probably 20+ years old. This species grows fast but what is fast to a tree? Ask the Oak and the Cedar!

kirk1701
09-28-2012, 12:11 AM
Kirk,
How fast is how fast?
You are not going to make these trees grow any faster than they are willing....fertilizers added. The trees in your photo link is probably 20+ years old. This species grows fast but what is fast to a tree? Ask the Oak and the Cedar!

We'll here's the thing,

I'm putting each of the two on the side of the house to block out the neighbors "street light"??? Yes, that neighbor, and my parents bedrooms never see dark. The windows are about 8 feet off the ground so need to get 10 to 12 feet at least before they do any good and are in direct path between the street light and the window.

I chose the evergreen that way it will block the light all year and not just in the summer.

So, plant as normal don't try to make them grow any faster won't help.

By the way, took a look at that link again and don't want them to get that big, I'll top them when they get say 15 to 20 feet because they are going 4 feet out from the foundation of the house.

Think Green
09-29-2012, 10:19 AM
The arborvitae is meant to be left alone and planted in a proper site. Kirk if you allow these things quite some years to get big enough to block a street light, then top the things off, you will ensue their demise. Have you even topped off a pine tree? The thing dies within a year or two from resin duct loss. All of these types of evergreen's with resin duct production will result in sap disease and or vigor loss.

Duekster
09-29-2012, 10:41 AM
Move them further away from the house. Dig a big ugly hole.

kirk1701
09-29-2012, 11:50 AM
The arborvitae is meant to be left alone and planted in a proper site. Kirk if you allow these things quite some years to get big enough to block a street light, then top the things off, you will ensue their demise. Have you even topped off a pine tree? The thing dies within a year or two from resin duct loss. All of these types of evergreen's with resin duct production will result in sap disease and or vigor loss.

Thats what I thought also, I myself have never topped one but recall my thread with the neighbors pine tree's and growing into our property? She cuts the top out of these things every fall and I laughted; thought for sure they would die but they just kept getting thicker.

So you sure about this Think Green?

Move them further away from the house. Dig a big ugly hole.

I'm watching the sun now, that ticket which came with it said 6 hours of sun and I might have no other choice but to move them out further for that reason but due to the height of the street light, the further I go away from the windows the longer its going to take to shade the window? However the ticket also says 4' wide so I'll have plenty of room if I put them where I want but as I said, it all depends on the sun as this is a shady area.

Right now, good 3 years before they do any good. Further away we'll 5 to 6 years and I doubt they get big enough to shade the whole window so I'm between a rock and a hard place there Duekster. :confused:

And hey, she's 75 years old and an alcoholic with Bi-Polar so how much longer can the old witch last :laugh:
I know that sounds cruel but after 13 years now of this crap back and forth just gets old. Been pretty quiet now since the fence went up so knock on wood it stays this way.

The street light lights up the whole neighborhood, I mean neighbors 4 and 5 houses up the road and down even have to plant tree's to shade the light.

Mom and dad have plastic venetian blinds on the windows inside so that does the trick however when its cool and you want to sleep with the windows open, its a problem.

Duekster
09-29-2012, 11:56 AM
Pellet guns work wonders on street lights :D

kirk1701
09-29-2012, 12:11 PM
Pellet guns work wonders on street lights :D

Hey, don't kid about that my mom had done called the electric company to see if anything could be done like a metal frame on one side so the light wouldn't travel and when they said no and the neighbor pays for it she can have it where she wants?

My mom said I have a .22 cal :laugh:

She was told the call was being recorded and if anything happened to that light the cops would be coming to her first :drinkup:

But that was years ago

Duekster
09-29-2012, 12:17 PM
Do not use a 22

Main thing again on your hole is nice and wide... make an ugly hole with ragged sides.

I would not fertilize until fall of next year. I would use plenty of super thrive in terms of frequency not strenght.

kirk1701
09-29-2012, 12:23 PM
Do not use a 22

Main thing again on your hole is nice and wide... make an ugly hole with ragged sides.

I would not fertilize until fall of next year. I would use plenty of super thrive in terms of frequency not strenght.

So no triple 10?
Thats what I was going to use

I'll have some pics this afternoon, I'm taking pictures at different times during the day to see how long I have sun there since it is a clear day here for a change and I have stakes up out away from the house and up close to the house in a direct path between the light and the window.

Right now, off to the turnip green patch :drinkup:
Going to put up about 5 bags today :cool2:

Duekster
09-29-2012, 12:26 PM
Triple 10 no earlier than next May after transplanting and fall next year would be better.

Super thrive will push the roots. Use @ 3 oz per 100 gallons when planting and 1 oz per 50 gallons each month.

Mark Oomkes
09-29-2012, 02:48 PM
Arbs are not really able to be pushed.

I wouldn't get too worried about less than 6 hours of sunlight, either. They do just fine in the shade. Maybe not as thick, but they will grow.

I would also tend to disagree that topping an arb is going to kill it. Arbs are quite different than a pine or spruce. At least in MI they are, I've seen and topped quite a few arbs over the years without problems.

PerfectEarth
09-29-2012, 02:52 PM
I've seen huge hedgerows of Arbs topped significantly- I would not advocate doing so for aesthetic reasons, but it will not kill them.

10" Arbs? LOL... it's going to be while before they block streetlights.

kirk1701
09-30-2012, 12:16 AM
Arbs are not really able to be pushed.

I wouldn't get too worried about less than 6 hours of sunlight, either. They do just fine in the shade. Maybe not as thick, but they will grow.

I would also tend to disagree that topping an arb is going to kill it. Arbs are quite different than a pine or spruce. At least in MI they are, I've seen and topped quite a few arbs over the years without problems.

Thats the best news I've heard all day Mark
I took pictures all day at different times and though the sun has changed angle this late in the season I could swear mid summer I have sun in this area from 12ish till about 4 PM then the house starts to shade the sun.

Without posting all the pics, today 1:15 till 3 PM they would get direct sunlight where I want to put them, 2 feet out from the window in the landscaping. The Rose of Sharons have done great here but we didn't plant those, they were there when we bought the house. They do good in the shade area and bloom all summer.

Here yu go
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/198486_3373410907513_595452156_n.jpg

As you can see I got two sets of stakes, one up close to the house and one out in the grass where both tree's would go. Hard to see the stake to the right of the back Rose of sharon but its there.

kirk1701
09-30-2012, 12:23 AM
Triple 10 no earlier than next May after transplanting and fall next year would be better.

Super thrive will push the roots. Use @ 3 oz per 100 gallons when planting and 1 oz per 50 gallons each month.

Thanks again Duekster
Let me make sure I understand you, triple 10 but not before next May?

By the way, set out some mums in the landscaping down by the oak tree's I had a thread about; pulled up all I mean ALL the landscaping paper under the oaks I could get my hands on. :drinkup:
And the ground under that dam landscaping paper was like a desert, dry as a bone.

Duekster
09-30-2012, 02:44 AM
Thanks again Duekster
Let me make sure I understand you, triple 10 but not before next May?

By the way, set out some mums in the landscaping down by the oak tree's I had a thread about; pulled up all I mean ALL the landscaping paper under the oaks I could get my hands on. :drinkup:
And the ground under that dam landscaping paper was like a desert, dry as a bone.

No active biologicals either I suspect.

Most of the time no fert on new transpalnts for a year. Do not forget the superthrive....

kirk1701
09-30-2012, 10:29 AM
No active biologicals either I suspect.

Most of the time no fert on new transpalnts for a year. Do not forget the superthrive....

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/abs724/Smilies%20Hut/thanks.gif

Will do.

And NO, no active biologicals.

kirk1701
09-30-2012, 05:12 PM
I got them out today guys

Now, why aren't they growing yet? http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/abs724/Smilies%20Hut/lol.gif

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/401489_3375667363923_1817254705_n.jpg

wildstarblazer
09-30-2012, 09:48 PM
Why don't you just buy bigger ones?

kirk1701
09-30-2012, 11:29 PM
Why don't you just buy bigger ones?

They had them, I should have

But it was a difference between spending $14 for both of these or $80 for both of the bigger ones :rolleyes:

Smallaxe
10-01-2012, 10:09 AM
That is way to close to the house for a pyramidal Emerald Green... they can be pruned back to have no branches and still live,,, but by the time they shade the window the trunk will be on the siding... 5' diameter minimum which means 2.5' minimum from the house... the cylindricals can be planted closer but won't have much more shade than a telephone pole...

formal privacy hedges in the midwest are formed from Technys(a pyramidal) as they are the fastest growing arbor vitae and are pruned all the time, into a number of different shapes... AVs will thrive with lots of water and shade is their natural habitat... in fact back in the old days, the plants had to be protected from excessive sun to survive, though a lot of that problem was remediated with plenty of water... :)

Mark Oomkes
10-01-2012, 02:33 PM
On this one, I have to agree with Small A.

Way too close to the house.

kirk1701
10-01-2012, 02:46 PM
That is way to close to the house for a pyramidal Emerald Green... they can be pruned back to have no branches and still live,,, but by the time they shade the window the trunk will be on the siding... 5' diameter minimum which means 2.5' minimum from the house... the cylindricals can be planted closer but won't have much more shade than a telephone pole...

formal privacy hedges in the midwest are formed from Technys(a pyramidal) as they are the fastest growing arbor vitae and are pruned all the time, into a number of different shapes... AVs will thrive with lots of water and shade is their natural habitat... in fact back in the old days, the plants had to be protected from excessive sun to survive, though a lot of that problem was remediated with plenty of water... :)

I highlighted what I liked smallaxe; that is VERY good news.

Now keep in mind here, this is probably temporary and when she is 6 foot under with her toes pointing straight up I'll probably remove them when the light goes out :laugh:

Anyhow, I've had these before on the other side of the property, I'd give anything to have them on this side now but we removed them due to they were never took care of prior to us owning the propert and they eventually got bag bugs and got removed.

I hope these I just set out don't get no wider then the ones we had if so they will be fine where they are at. :drinkup:

Attached a pic or two