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BrandonV
09-29-2012, 09:14 PM
Yesterday I did something I never thought I'd ever do... return the lowest mileage truck in my fleet. In 2008 we bought what we thought was going to be our dream landscape truck. We picked it up and for about a month things went great it had good power, never was fast mind you but everything was pretty much what we expected with the exception of the radiator fan running more than you'd expect. Well things continued and then we started getting what I thought was belt noise from the fan. I took it up to our dealer (who really has tried their best through this ordeal) and they said it must be a bad belt tensioner... they replaced it no big deal and also the fan belt. Month later squeaks come back. Well months of this continue and the noise is just unbearable especially in the summer when it's above 85. Ford at my dealer's request sends a "specialist" out to look at the truck one time and when I tried to come up and meet with him/her they pitched a fit and told my dealer to tell me he wouldn't/did want to meet with me. He "looked" the truck over and tells them "everything is within spec" so I start calling the ford conflict resolution number at this point, I know I have a lemon and I'd heard of people getting replacement truck why not me, they'll have none of it. I'm pretty much told that the truck is designed to run hot and the fact that it's tearing though a fan belt every 8,000 miles and the fact that I used a fan clutch assembly every 15000 miles was no big deal.

I am in the fortunate position to have 2 retired Ford higher ups that I work for and they were kind enough to make some phone calls on my behalf but even with this NO help from ford. All and all in the brief time (Aug 2008) we've had this truck it spent over 4 months in the shop in just 61000 miles that we were able to put on it. With a monthly lease payment of over 1000$ and month that's eaisly $4000 I spent to have it sitting at my dealer, then considering I had to trailer with my road tractor several times there (90mile round trip) and other times had to have an employee or wife follow me up I likely spent another $2000 dollars in time and fuel getting it to the mechanic. And I had to spend all this in the worst 4 years of business we'd ever seen.

Ford after my months of calling did give me an extended warranty for the truck throughout the term of my lease and only did that because I started listing off the some 25 ford vehicles we've had in our fleet over the years. I had the option at the end of my lease to buy the truck (my original plan all along) but opted to return it to ford commercial credit, they really wanted me to pay the remainder and I could "sell it" for a profit, I refused because I told them in good conscience I couldn't do that to someone and I hoped they wouldn't either but I don't have much faith in that because the truck they sold me was already known by them to be a utter disaster and yet they kept them rolling off the line.

I'm still pretty upset about loosing so much $ and time over something that I really think if Ford cared about their customers they wouldn't have let happen in the first place or even if it was a mistake they would have done the honorable thing and made it right, but they didn't. In our line of work there are companies of integrity and good moral character I feel I'm one of those. If for some reason I made an honest mistake on a project and some part of it failed I would and have came back and corrected it, and at little to no cost to my client. Ford clearly illustrated to me that no matter how good of a customer we've been in the past and no matter how valid my argument or that of my dealer they were looking out for one thing: their own bottom line. Of course I guess the choice I have it to avoid the Ford brand for my fleet which with my last two purchases of super lawn trucks I'm off to a great start but it really does sadden me because I really really wanted to be a loyal brand owner, my family has a long history with ford (been in business here since the 30s and have had fords all along the way) and I have a great respect ford the ford family and the companies history but after the last 2 trucks I've just really been burnt (had a first gen 6.0 :cry:)

Well rant over, just want you guys to know my trials and tribulations.:hammerhead:

jrs.landscaping
09-29-2012, 09:47 PM
I have a first gen also, after 9k it runs like it should:laugh:. All we run is Ford, would the other major brands have been any better? I know where you're coming from, with my 6.0 I got so heated I told the dealership to make me an offer to buy it outright. I finally cooled down, dumped the money and the truck has been great ever since. We all buy units that are sub-par to our expectations, we have to roll on and hope the next one is better. I do agree that Ford could have been better at helping to resolve the problem, hopefully the next one has no troubles and you can make some money using it :drinkup:

BrandonV
09-29-2012, 10:50 PM
When u have a truck that overheats regularly or stalls out at stop lights and their response is that "its supposed to do that" or "you must have it overloaded" all while it has 1 walker mower on it goes above and beyond in my opinion its a matter of honesty. There is clearly a culture of dishonesty at Ford right now.

cgaengineer
09-29-2012, 11:41 PM
No problems out of my Yotas or my NPR.
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Duekster
09-30-2012, 01:34 AM
I would have hoped Ford has chased off enough loyal customers to learn their lesson.

My Tundra is clearly worth the extra money and I will likely go NPR or something like it if I go bigger.

BrandonV
09-30-2012, 09:27 AM
we bought a crew cab fuso around the same time we bought the ford I'm discussing here, it now has 110k miles and has pretty much has had 1 alternator and 1 set of brakes. (not ginxing myself hopefully)

the major difference between to two brands in fuso was proactive in catching problems upfront. there were 2 or 3 times they asked me to bring the truck up for some recalls and they'd fix things before problems happened. Ford in retrospect seemed to try to bandaged the truck long enough to get it out of the warranty period in hopes of passing those cost onto me fortunately I did get the extended warranty but the only reason I got that was because we're considered a fleet someone with 1-3 trucks would not have had any luck with that.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 09:40 AM
Ive got rid of 3 of my Fords with the 6.4 diesel over the past year. Weve had a bunch of problems with them. I traded to for new Rams with 6.7 diesels and one for a new 6.7 ford f-550. Im nervous about the 6.7 ford but I guess well see.

Duekster
09-30-2012, 11:05 AM
That is the question. Is the new ford designed diesel better than the one they purchased

JNB Construction
09-30-2012, 01:36 PM
I was looking at the purchase of a very clean, low mileage F550 with the 6.4 diesel.

After doing a bit of research I started to lose faith in the engine, then in a conversation with my current customer I've decided against buying anything with a 6.4 in it. His truck is a 2008 and has been back to the dealer a bunch, the latest being to replace melted pistons. I'm looking to buy a newer truck, not get involved in a crap shoot.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 03:56 PM
Yup it seems like there is a better chance something will go wrong with them as opposed to it being perfect.

jrs.landscaping
09-30-2012, 04:32 PM
We have a 6.4, it has been in the shop only once in over 60k miles, and for a minor oil leak at that. I should probably cross my fingers now that I've talked about it.....

GQLL
09-30-2012, 05:36 PM
You got a bad truck it happens. i have two 6.4 one with never had any major problems with them. only had a steering damper in one and the other been problem free. I am glad people keep posting these problems cause it just lowers the used market price and i can pick them up cheaper. just like with the early 6.0 you can get them cheap all day long and spend about 3k and have a bullet proof motor.

cgaengineer
09-30-2012, 05:44 PM
Something to consider before buying a Ford...most of its made in Mexico.
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BrandonV
09-30-2012, 05:57 PM
You got a bad truck it happens. i have two 6.4 one with never had any major problems with them. only had a steering damper in one and the other been problem free. I am glad people keep posting these problems cause it just lowers the used market price and i can pick them up cheaper. just like with the early 6.0 you can get them cheap all day long and spend about 3k and have a bullet proof motor.

Ours was the 5.4 and I'm ok with getting a bad truck but when something is bad you expect it to be fixable. I gave for over 4 months to "fix" it and before returning it on lease had some aftermarket guys look at it to which they told me to run. I'm surprised how you can write off the idea of spending upwards of $75k on something that never worked properly and then the company you purchase it from telling you it's designed to overheat and stall out. Thats like you installing an irrigation system that has a valve stuck in the open position and flooding someone's yard and telling the HO that its operating within spec.

ClassicLawnCareInc
09-30-2012, 07:02 PM
Yeah, Im one that if its not right and after multiple tries I just get rid of it. Its cheaper to trade it and move on than to have it broke down all of the time.

BrandonV
09-30-2012, 07:55 PM
hence the downside of leasing: you're stuck with it for the term

LibertyFarmLandscaping
10-01-2012, 09:43 PM
Dodge and GM kindly thank Ford for all the new Diesel pickup customers.
Luckily I had one of the last 7.3's and got to see my brother suffer through a 1st gen sick.0. So I've had 2 trouble free Dodges since then.

My current 11' Dodge lost the emissions junk at 10k and currently has 31k trouble free miles.

My brother now has an 07' Dmax he bought new currently with 75k miles. Only problem is to replace a u joint and that is with a 32' GN pulling skid steers, sky trac, and scissor lifts all the time.