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KrayzKajun
10-06-2012, 04:11 PM
I was asked by a customer of mine to go look at clearing underbrush off 4x lots in a new development. He owns one and his two friends own the others. He is also best friends with the developer who owns the whole community. My guy wants to clear all debris and undergrowth now so we can keep it managed untill he builds. Instead of just cutting/clearing and hauling away the debris(ive got tractor w/ fel, skidsteer w/ grapple, 23yd dump trailer). The lots are all approx 100' x 175'. Ive been wanting to rent a big skid w/ mulcher to demo. I really think it would be the best option to cleanup up the lots and could really score me alot of work with the developer if he likes it. Whats yall opinion? http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/B62C9EFC-A1AF-48D9-9171-BEDE6DF8D7E3-2414-0000015E8E9FCC51.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/19089F45-CD78-4566-9EAD-FFDF8316E417-2414-0000015E7B5A1B27.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/F02B774F-CDCF-48E2-9504-A72E2C8B6133-2414-0000015E2A8B5F51.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/3946A9BA-2D5E-49F4-803D-405FEF4D225A-2414-0000015DEA326E4A.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/079E0BF4-6C8D-41C5-9AE5-7E0197B5323E-2414-0000015C5684A141.jpg
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ksss
10-06-2012, 05:13 PM
I think the size of those downed trees, assuming they are not rotted, would be a little beyond what a skid steer mulcher can do effectively. It does not look like there is a lot of underbrush. You could use a mulcher but you will need to spend a lot of time with the head in the ground picking up the downed timber. I think if it was my job, I would pull out the large timber (anything over 6" in diameter) with an excavator, and mulch what was left.

alexschultz1
10-06-2012, 09:00 PM
A chainsaw and grapple bucket will go a long way with an area this small. If you can demo one for free then go for it man. They are a lot of fun

whiffyspark
10-07-2012, 09:41 AM
They're 4 grand for a rental here.

Are you trying to clear the lot or just over growth?
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alldayrj
10-07-2012, 10:49 AM
I would run through there with the skid and grapple and rent a mower attachment for your skid. Doesnt look heavy enough to warrant a mulcher. Unless they want to demo it for free. Then beat the hell out of the demo unit
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AEL
10-07-2012, 11:46 AM
Looks like a nice little job Jacob . I dont do a lot of mulching ( wish I did!) but I think those trees are a little thick for a skid mounted mulcher. Andrew (ar plante industries) is a very knowledgeable guy and could tell you right away how to attack this job . I would just bring in my 135 hitachi and tracked skid . Good luck!
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KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 11:50 AM
I would run through there with the skid and grapple and rent a mower attachment for your skid.
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That was the original plan of attack i came up with. I really want a mower for my skidsteer. I land these and it would give me a good excuse to buy one.
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KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 12:06 PM
The issue i see is removing stumps from some of the larger trees that need cutting on the lots they plan to build on soon.
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KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 12:44 PM
They're 4 grand for a rental here.

Are you trying to clear the lot or just over growth?
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wow thats pricey!!

my buddy owns a heavy equipment repair/rental company. i can get a T300 w/ enclosed cab and timberwolf mulcher head for $500/day

TriCountyLawn
10-07-2012, 12:51 PM
That was the original plan of attack i came up with. I really want a mower for my skidsteer. I land these and it would give me a good excuse to buy one.
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Plan on getting a cab on your skid steer if ya dont have one. I used a mulcher with an open cab and it was loaded before the day was done.

ksss
10-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Plan on getting a cab on your skid steer if ya dont have one. I used a mulcher with an open cab and it was loaded before the day was done.


Running a mulcher without a lexan door is insane unless your wearing kevlar body armour.

ARP
10-07-2012, 02:02 PM
Before we get to the discussion at hand on how to do the project, I want to reinforce what KSSS said about how insane you have to be to mulch or mow with an open cab machine to those out there who feel that you can get away without the proper protection. I've taken whacks to my cab door with both my mulcher and brush mower with large pieces of debris that made my ears ring for several minutes. If I didn't have that door, I wouldn't be here right now as I'd have a hole in my chest that you could pass a football through. Even with a Kevlar vest, I'd still be in serious shape due to all the broken bones I would have in my body from taking a piece of debris shot off my mower or mulcher to my body.

Jacob, in terms of your project, I don't think you'd necessarily need a skidsteer mulcher for those lots. With anything less than a Supertrak machine or prime-mover mounted mulcher, those logs will be hard to tackle if they are not thoroughly rotten. Like others have suggested, take your grapple through there and clean out all the big wood. Once that is done, I don't see anything in there that wouldn't be able to be handled by a mower on a skid in a few short hours.

Any questions- feel free to shoot 'em my way.

Andrew

TriCountyLawn
10-07-2012, 02:09 PM
Running a mulcher without a lexan door is insane unless your wearing kevlar body armour.


This is correct, it was all ground level stuff never had raise it. It just mostly put leaves, poison everything and saw dust/dirt in it. However running the same machine with a brush hog was nastier then the day with the mulcher.

KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Thanks Andrew and KSSS.
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YellowDogSVC
10-07-2012, 02:43 PM
looks tight to me for mulching. I would get the big wood out and mow the rest of the lot and it will look fantastic. With a mulching head, you will need to back up a lot as stuff gets kicked out/under the machine and that's especially true for round, hard wood. If you have a lot of experience with the head, you can minimize the ejection of material. If those big logs are rotted and you are set on mulching, cut them to a length narrower than your head and pile them in one location. Trying to chase logs or plane long logs takes a lot of time and you will still find them ejected under machine. Without much room to back up and maneuver, you will get frustrated.

If it was my job and I had a place for those big logs, I'd cut them to whatever length would fit in my dump trailer and then just get a rotary mower for the underbrush and as I stated, it will look fantastic. You won't have to back up as much and you can maneuver around trees. You will burn less fuel, too.
On some of the more rotted wood or "chunks", a little finesse with the rotary will chop it up enough to not be an issue.
Looks like you could really make those lots "pop" from the road.

KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Would i be able to find just a front door for my mustang skidsteer?
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italianstallion69
10-07-2012, 08:57 PM
d5 or bigger dozer!

KrayzKajun
10-07-2012, 09:32 PM
Looks like you could really make those lots "pop" from the road.

Thats the affect im really going for. draw the intrest of the developer and other builders who own lots.

YellowDogSVC
10-07-2012, 10:58 PM
Would i be able to find just a front door for my mustang skidsteer?
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it would take a little work but you can get a standard door kit and have a lexan insert made. I know a place that does it but they need the pattern. I shipped them an old window and they made me an exact fit lexan replacement for a Bobcat K series rated to 300 mph impact.

Definitely get the lexan if you go with a mulcher. A lot can go wrong. I have small logs ejected that destroyed the metal threshold (bent it into my cab) on a K series Bobcat door frame. That would have been painful had it only been glass and luckily it hit the $50 metal threshold and not my $500 lexan door. My doors now are about $1000 to replace. Sucks but it's a safety thing. I've seen guys operating mulchers with glass doors or no doors at all. Used to be a video of a guy operating a mulcher with a motorcycle helmet (open cab). Didn't see any body armor.. :)

alexschultz1
10-08-2012, 06:05 PM
For some reason I picture some moron wearing a motorcycle helmet standing on home base while someone loads a pitching maching with wood shards.

You are over thinking this way to much man, 1 guy on a nice chainsaw, grapple bucket, and have 2 guys running weedeaters with brush blades on them. Save up some dough brotha

alldayrj
10-08-2012, 09:00 PM
As far as stumps, get it all cleaned up and have a per stump price to dig or grind them
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Tyler259
10-08-2012, 09:22 PM
For some reason I picture some moron wearing a motorcycle helmet standing on home base while someone loads a pitching maching with wood shards.

You are over thinking this way to much man, 1 guy on a nice chainsaw, grapple bucket, and have 2 guys running weedeaters with brush blades on them. Save up some dough brotha

Yep +1.

Go buy a Stihl FS250R brushcutter for $500 and be done with it.

http://www.stihlusa.com/products/trimmers-and-brushcutters/professional-trimmers/fs250r/

This is what I use but I also line trim with it (change heads). They have bigger models and some with 2 handles.

Do you have to cut any live trees over a couple inches?

Tyler259
10-09-2012, 03:42 AM
Or my local place rents a billy goat walk behind brushcutter for about $70 a day, another option.

KrayzKajun
10-09-2012, 09:24 AM
I want the lots to look like ths finished product when done. http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/32B92FD6-9A82-459C-B9DC-2B7B444989A4-5287-00000517C5C3DF04.jpg
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AWJ Services
10-09-2012, 10:37 AM
I still use my tractor powered bush hog for jobs like this. I have a very old heavy duty bushhog brand mower and everything in the pictures would e easy to mow. Those big logs if not rotten would need to be hauled off. If rotten I would just bust them up with my mower. So saying that I would just get a mower like this for your skid.

http://www.bushmasterequipment.com/BM601.htm

There only about 3000.00 dollars and will cut whatever you need. The next step up in mowers will be a 7000.00 dollar mower. They will be much less expensive to run than a mulcher.

I also use my harley rake to spread the cut material evenly or I have an old pulveriser I use to rake it up into piles and use for ground cover under the trees.

KrayzKajun
10-09-2012, 11:22 AM
Ive got an extreme duty cutter on my tractor. Ive rulled out the mulcher. I figure go in with skidsteer and grapple , drag out all the big stuff and pullout/push over all the small diameter stuff. Scrap it then come over with the bushhogg.
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AWJ Services
10-09-2012, 12:01 PM
Ive got an extreme duty cutter on my tractor. Ive rulled out the mulcher. I figure go in with skidsteer and grapple , drag out all the big stuff and pullout/push over all the small diameter stuff. Scrap it then come over with the bushhogg.
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On flat ground the tractor cuts really nice. I start at a lower rpms till I knock everything down and then drop the mower low and turn the rpms up to mulch it up. Even the larger trees I run the mower down it while on the ground to get rid of the limbs.

KrayzKajun
10-18-2012, 12:55 PM
What type of price should i shoot for to secure more work clearing the other lots for the developer?
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KrayzKajun
10-24-2012, 08:38 PM
Well here is my plan. Go in and mark all trees that are to be removed(everything less than 6" in diameter). Cut all downed trees into manageable pieces , use skidsteer w/ grapple to haul everything out to my dump trailer, scrap the geound really good with the grapple, them come bak over the bare ground with the bushhog on my tractor. Would a price range between $2500-3500 each lot be out the question?
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KrayzKajun
10-24-2012, 08:46 PM
A few more pics. The lots are 100'x185'. I counted approx 15 downed trees, 9 stumps to be knocked over, and prolly 25 standing trees that are damaged or broken in half. http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/A6BA0F39-2830-40F6-A9DD-736B0B9FA9C3-8001-0000059DF1DFCB81.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/E216DEF4-3FCE-4F06-8701-A7F71E3EA791-8001-0000059DE770D240.jpg http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/onekrayzeekajun/987BC090-EBB7-4126-A5AD-D7CA4EBAC0B7-8001-0000059DA99F35BD.jpg
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YellowDogSVC
10-24-2012, 11:29 PM
That may sound high for a lot less than an acre if the owner doesn't understand what the difference between raping the lot and leaving it look nice.

If I was dealing with 3/4 AC of mature oaks that needed to be disposed of, $2500-3000 would not be out of the question and I've charged as much as $4k an acre when the trees were big, bushy, and everything had to be chipped in tight quarters.

I just bid a lot about the size you are bidding. Called for everything cleared including all stumps dug out and mulched and it was dense with 8-10" dbh cedar and a few oaks and hackberry trees. I bid $3500 and was beat by a guy who said he would haul it all away for much cheaper. I estimated somewhere around 65-70 yards of shreds/mulch AFTER everything was ground up. I can only imagine how many trailer loads of brush and stumps that guy will haul out of there and there aren't many legitimate places to haul brush.

Hopefully you made a good impression with the owners and they won't opt for some cheaper yahoo that butchers those lots. Your plan will leave it looking good but it costs more to do that and hopefully the owners understand.

KrayzKajun
10-29-2012, 04:21 PM
I havent given a price yet. Im putting together a detailed proposal to really outline the scope of the work and try to really apeal to the homeowner and deveolper.
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KrayzKajun
10-30-2012, 11:04 PM
Yellowdog, what type of price would you be at for a job like this? If u didnt have a mulcher head.
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YellowDogSVC
10-31-2012, 07:38 PM
Yellowdog, what type of price would you be at for a job like this? If u didnt have a mulcher head.
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