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kawakx125
10-19-2012, 07:40 AM
looking at an 08 2500 ram with 6.7 cummins, what do i need to look for? the dealership offers lifetime powertrain warranty on used vehicles under 80k, this one has 51k miles. not too worried about mechanical stuff because of that. what kind of fuel mileage are you guys getting on them?

PlantscapeSolutions
10-20-2012, 12:58 AM
Mine is an 09' 4x4 dually with deleted emissions and I was able to get 17.65 mpg's at 65 mph until I swapped to 4.10 gears. Deleting will get you 2 mpg's more instantly. Don't buy the warranty use the money to delete the emissions instead. You can do 10,000 mile oil changes if you delete as well which will allow you to run synthetic oil in a cost effective manner. Talk to any Diesel performance shop in your area and they can give you the scoop.

My 6.7 has an Air Dog fuel/air separating system, 5" turbo back exhaust (TBE), Smarty downloader, AFE Pro Dry Air filter, ARP .625 head studs, blocked EGR/deleted DPF, and Edge CS gauges.

Brules
10-25-2012, 11:47 PM
Have the front end looked over very well. the engine eats front ends due to the weight. I have an 04 2500 diesel and love EVERYTHING about it except the front end.

Marek
10-26-2012, 08:33 AM
Plantscape , what are you seeing for mpg now ?

KrayzKajun
10-26-2012, 09:19 AM
ive got an 11' 3500 dually. has 34k trouble free miles on it sofar. cant wait to delet all the emissions crap real soon.

PlantscapeSolutions
10-26-2012, 09:48 AM
Plantscape , what are you seeing for mpg now ?

I was getting 17.65 until I did a 4.11 swap and now it's more like 15.6. If cash flow allows I'll do a free spin kit from Dynatrac and I may get back closer to 17. With 3.73's and a free spin kit 20 you should be able to get 20 with a dually 4x4.

kawakx125
10-28-2012, 06:16 PM
I went ahead and bought the truck last week, its had front end stuff replaced recently. tuesday exhaust will be here to delete emissions crap and EGR delete will be here later this week. its a manual with 3.42 gears, so it oughta do ok on fuel with the deletes done

4 seasons lawn&land
10-28-2012, 06:58 PM
front end stuff replaced with 50 k ?

kawakx125
10-28-2012, 09:36 PM
its not uncommon on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks especially diesels for front ends to wear out quickly. fords are especially bad about it

PlantscapeSolutions
10-29-2012, 01:03 AM
its not uncommon on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks especially diesels for front ends to wear out quickly. fords are especially bad about it

You may want to think about a FASS or Airdog if you plan on running the truck for a while. If you add any power with the tuner used to turn off the DPF you'll need ARP 625 head studs as well.

kawakx125
10-29-2012, 08:23 AM
for the moment i'll just be using the EGT sim's and dpf pressure sensor sim to fool the computer. budget is kinda tight at the moment, I know i'll get a CEL but I don't mind seeing that. I really don't need any more power nor do i want to have to put a new clutch in it with running more power. don't want to void the warranty either, it didn't cost me anything.

PlantscapeSolutions
10-29-2012, 09:21 PM
for the moment i'll just be using the EGT sim's and dpf pressure sensor sim to fool the computer. budget is kinda tight at the moment, I know i'll get a CEL but I don't mind seeing that. I really don't need any more power nor do i want to have to put a new clutch in it with running more power. don't want to void the warranty either, it didn't cost me anything.

The G56 standard trucks really defuel between shifts and it makes the truck lag hard when you shift. I test drove one before I went with the 68FRE auto. You would see a huge benefit to how the trucks shifts more smoothly (no lag) if you found a used Smarty on Ebay. You just have to download the ME (middle East) program to use the Smarty on a deleted truck. The clutch with hold more power then the stock auto will. The auto is only good to 65 HP with no mods but the G56 will hold closer to 100HP.

I deleted my truck at 20K (65K now). The chance of a deleted Cummins having a problem is slim. If I had a 6.0 or 6.4 I wouldn't dare to do anything because those warranties can be worth big bucks.

kawakx125
10-30-2012, 07:02 AM
i plan on getting a tuner eventually, just not in the budget right now. I have been wondering why i can't hardly shift the dang thing smooth! I hear nightmare stories about guys who are running these motors stock, and everyone who has deleted seems to like them as good or even better than the 5.9's. can't argue with the cummins durability, it's not their fault that the EPA mandated the emissions equipment

PlantscapeSolutions
10-30-2012, 09:18 AM
i plan on getting a tuner eventually, just not in the budget right now. I have been wondering why i can't hardly shift the dang thing smooth! I hear nightmare stories about guys who are running these motors stock, and everyone who has deleted seems to like them as good or even better than the 5.9's. can't argue with the cummins durability, it's not their fault that the EPA mandated the emissions equipment

The 2007.5 trucks had the most issues that had to be worked out. There are still lots of guys even with early trucks that never had any issues. Once you got to 08' and later there were fewer issues but you always hear the most from guys who hate or love their truck the most.

kawakx125
10-30-2012, 10:40 AM
from what i've been reading on cumminsforum.com the guys that tow all the time and or long highway trips are the ones that don't have problems. its the city driving and constant regen's that cause the problems and soot everything up. my truck is my dd, and i don't tow with it every single day, and along with the mpg increase the deletes make it much more versatile if you will. i need to be able to have the truck see every condition imaginable and be just fine with doing all of it. during mowing season it'll see alot of short trips from yard to yard

kawakx125
10-30-2012, 10:41 AM
plus EGR on a diesel is just plain dumb, pouring all that soot back into an engine CANT be good for it!

retrodog
10-30-2012, 11:14 AM
I have a 2012 and I deleted the dpf, got a smarty, cold air intake, and I went from 10mpg to nearly 17! It is amazing how much more power it has too. I will be honest, stock I was so disappointed... My truck has a 6" lift, but it didn't get much more than 11 before the wheels and tires and lift..

tbambersvc
10-30-2012, 10:54 PM
Not that unheard of that a Dodge needed front end parts at 50k. In my experience, by 70k I had a totally new front end, fuel pump, steering pump, and an injector. Motor is great but truck sucked IMO. However I have heard awesome things about the deleted 6.7's.

kawakx125
10-31-2012, 07:07 AM
well got the deletes done, sounds like a jet now idling with the exhaust brake on!

LibertyFarmLandscaping
11-04-2012, 12:20 AM
It definitely gets your attention the first time you hear the e brake deleted!

I have an 11' 4x2 CCSB 3:42 rear end, manual. I deleted at 10k. I now have 32k. I have the H&S XRT Pro tuner. With the mild setting +60hp I get 13 to 14 pulling 16 ft open trailer weighing 7 to 8k with everything on it. Pulling 28 ft GN with 65hp tractor and 10ft cutter it gets 10 to 11. This is all stop and go with 65mph top speed.

Empty on the hot setting got 22 mpg going to San Antonio in the summer at 70mph. I didn't mess with an air intake, no reason to unless your gonna run big power. I did get a 5" turbo back exhaust just to get a louder sound. You definitely want to keep your tuner on the lowest or no power setting when pulling to prevent blowing the head gasket. Which is where the aftermarket head studs come in.

PlantscapeSolutions
11-04-2012, 01:20 AM
It definitely gets your attention the first time you hear the e brake deleted!

I have an 11' 4x2 CCSB 3:42 rear end, manual. I deleted at 10k. I now have 32k. I have the H&S XRT Pro tuner. With the mild setting +60hp I get 13 to 14 pulling 16 ft open trailer weighing 7 to 8k with everything on it. Pulling 28 ft GN with 65hp tractor and 10ft cutter it gets 10 to 11. This is all stop and go with 65mph top speed.

Empty on the hot setting got 22 mpg going to San Antonio in the summer at 70mph. I didn't mess with an air intake, no reason to unless your gonna run big power. I did get a 5" turbo back exhaust just to get a louder sound. You definitely want to keep your tuner on the lowest or no power setting when pulling to prevent blowing the head gasket. Which is where the aftermarket head studs come in.

My performance shop recommended the ARP 625 studs on even a low HP setting. A blown HG will cost you $800. For intake the AFE Pro Dry is nice since you do not have to mess with oiling.

LibertyFarmLandscaping
11-04-2012, 01:01 AM
My performance shop recommended the ARP 625 studs on even a low HP setting. A blown HG will cost you $800. For intake the AFE Pro Dry is nice since you do not have to mess with oiling.

How much are the head studs?
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PlantscapeSolutions
11-04-2012, 08:18 AM
How much are the head studs?
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The best deal you'll find will be about $1200. The labor was about $250. It'd the ARP 625 studs you want. They also make a lesser version more for stock engines that are around $400 but it will be a waste of money. There are guys that tried to get away with lesser studs and blew an HG. Then your out $800 for a gasket and the $650 for the cheaper studs and HG. Then you have to spend $1200 for the better studs.

Green-Man
02-18-2013, 06:40 PM
I have a 2012 and I deleted the dpf, got a smarty, cold air intake, and I went from 10mpg to nearly 17! It is amazing how much more power it has too. I will be honest, stock I was so disappointed... My truck has a 6" lift, but it didn't get much more than 11 before the wheels and tires and lift..
Just wondering is it now that you are getting 11 with tires and the lift?
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Green-Man
02-18-2013, 06:43 PM
Mine is an 09' 4x4 dually with deleted emissions and I was able to get 17.65 mpg's at 65 mph until I swapped to 4.10 gears. Deleting will get you 2 mpg's more instantly. Don't buy the warranty use the money to delete the emissions instead. You can do 10,000 mile oil changes if you delete as well which will allow you to run synthetic oil in a cost effective manner. Talk to any Diesel performance shop in your area and they can give you the scoop.

My 6.7 has an Air Dog fuel/air separating system, 5" turbo back exhaust (TBE), Smarty downloader, AFE Pro Dry Air filter, ARP .625 head studs, blocked EGR/deleted DPF, and Edge CS gauges.
Do you use that for lawncare? How does it do with the starting and stopping multiple times a day and short trips? I plan on getting an 09 so I'm just curious.
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PlantscapeSolutions
02-18-2013, 10:19 PM
Do you use that for lawncare? How does it do with the starting and stopping multiple times a day and short trips? I plan on getting an 09 so I'm just curious.
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My crew uses an 06' Ram 2500 with the 5.9 for landscape maintenance. My 09' is my daily driver and is used for work as well. I just built up the trans into a Suncoast M3GA Jr. with their billet input shaft, billet flex plate, and torque converter.

This has allowed me to turn up my Smart to the 170 HP setting which makes driving a little more fun. I just started using my 20' dump trailer for lawn composting again and the loads have put the trailer weight in the 30-31K range. Just one cubic foot of the top dressing has been in the 61-66 lbs range and I've been hauling 13 yard loads. The trailer has electric over hydraulic disc brakes ($3800 upgrade) and stops great.

Green-Man
02-18-2013, 10:40 PM
My crew uses an 06' Ram 2500 with the 5.9 for landscape maintenance. My 09' is my daily driver and is used for work as well. I just built up the trans into a Suncoast M3GA Jr. with their billet input shaft, billet flex plate, and torque converter.

This has allowed me to turn up my Smart to the 170 HP setting which makes driving a little more fun. I just started using my 20' dump trailer for lawn composting again and the loads have put the trailer weight in the 30-31K range. Just one cubic foot of the top dressing has been in the 61-66 lbs range and I've been hauling 13 yard loads. The trailer has electric over hydraulic disc brakes ($3800 upgrade) and stops great.

That's awesome! So I'm guessing you live your truck I'm glad to hear it! When I plan to upgrade the tranny it's either going to be a revmax or suncoast. What's your mpg like just wondering.
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PlantscapeSolutions
02-18-2013, 11:17 PM
That's awesome! So I'm guessing you live your truck I'm glad to hear it! When I plan to upgrade the tranny it's either going to be a revmax or suncoast. What's your mpg like just wondering.
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Because I swapped in 4.10 gears I went from the mid 17's to the mid 15's. I just wish the 68RFE was not such a difficult transmission to upgrade. I have about $9000 invested in my trans setup.

If you can afford it Suncoast is the only one with a custom made drum that increases the clamping forces on the clutches in an outside the box way. They also make the M3GA Competition transmission but you have to buy the whole unit and have it shipped from FL. Then you have to ship your old core trans back to FL. With the M3GA Jr. you can have an authorized Suncoast trans shop rebuild your existing trans.

I would stay away from the purple ATS transmissions. I have talked to some shop owners that were given the run around on warranty work.

Green-Man
02-19-2013, 06:12 AM
Oh wow the mpg is not that bad at all actually 17's before the swap is good enough for me especially when thinking how big the truck is. 9,000!! Wow! That's serious cash. I guess that would be one of the last things I would do. Thanks for all that info man I really appreciate it! It's nice to get to talk to someone with experience. One more question the whole turning on and off the truck multiple times a day, have you encountered problems with it? What's your take on that?
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PlantscapeSolutions
02-19-2013, 07:46 AM
Oh wow the mpg is not that bad at all actually 17's before the swap is good enough for me especially when thinking how big the truck is. 9,000!! Wow! That's serious cash. I guess that would be one of the last things I would do. Thanks for all that info man I really appreciate it! It's nice to get to talk to someone with experience. One more question the whole turning on and off the truck multiple times a day, have you encountered problems with it? What's your take on that?
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I used my truck before deleting for fertilizing where we would stop very often and I only had one issue before I deleted at 20K. Once you delete you can let the truck idle for extended periods and it doesn't matter because it's just like having an older 5.9 because you have no more DPF that needs regens every so often.

retrodog
02-19-2013, 08:02 AM
No the 11mpg was before my upgrades. The lift and tires really didnt make a difference...
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Green-Man
02-19-2013, 09:27 AM
No the 11mpg was before my upgrades. The lift and tires really didnt make a difference...
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Oh ok I would think you would be getting better though.
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Green-Man
02-19-2013, 09:55 AM
I used my truck before deleting for fertilizing where we would stop very often and I only had one issue before I deleted at 20K. Once you delete you can let the truck idle for extended periods and it doesn't matter because it's just like having an older 5.9 because you have no more DPF that needs regens every so often.
Ok awesome! Thanks a lot for answering all my questions. I can't wait to get one.
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