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Church2224
10-19-2012, 05:06 PM
Looks a little bit different than the Exmark Commercial 30. Different controls, height adjustment and front end. Looks well built though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vjNWnMPo0&feature=g-u-u

Catmann
10-19-2012, 05:11 PM
I am not seeing any video at that link yet...Just the description.

Church2224
10-19-2012, 05:12 PM
I am not seeing any video at that link yet...Just the description.

Weird, it is working fine for me...Not sure what is causing that.

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 05:17 PM
Works for me as well.

I still like the exmark better. That's my preference
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newguy123
10-19-2012, 05:24 PM
Looks pretty good. Any idea on price?

weaver
10-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Works for me as well.

I still like the exmark better. That's my preference
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Hey did you ever get a price from your dealer yet? I really don't need this mower but will probably end up getting one anyways...

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 05:56 PM
Hey did you ever get a price from your dealer yet? I really don't need this mower but will probably end up getting one anyways...

No. Doesn't have as far as I know. I believe the mowers are not available yet. Was thinking they will be around 1500
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pseudosun
10-19-2012, 06:06 PM
I was thinking about the sarlo 30 for around 1549?, but this looks great, plus i may have better luck getting service. Curious about price also.

dareo
10-19-2012, 06:18 PM
This is what i've been waiting for. I called Toro and after holding many times the person still couldn't find anyone who knew about this mower yet. She actually said the video may have been leaked early.

I hope it has more power and doesn't cost a whole lot more than the timemaster.

Catmann
10-19-2012, 06:46 PM
Video worked in IE after a flash update, but still cannot see it in firefox for some reason...

Anyway, the front end is a little different than the exmark version. I like the looks of the exmark one better, but I wonder if there are going to be any spec differences to differentiate the brands. Clearly they think this is going to be a hit or they would not release identical versions under 2 brands....

knox gsl
10-19-2012, 06:47 PM
If like the exmark it will have the kawi 180 and price around $1750.
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lawnboy dan
10-19-2012, 07:33 PM
what about the self propel system?

dareo
10-19-2012, 07:35 PM
Where is the info about the Exmark model? I cannot find it anywhere. thanks

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 07:39 PM
Where is the info about the Exmark model? I cannot find it anywhere. thanks
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?p=4543788#post4543788
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Church2224
10-19-2012, 07:48 PM
what about the self propel system?

I think the Exmark drive is going to be like the Exmark Commercial 21 and the Toro might be like the 22197 and 22198.

I will agree with everyone else, I like the look of the Exmark one a little more, but this looks like a good unit as well.

kawasaki guy
10-19-2012, 08:37 PM
looks like the new exmark

newguy123
10-19-2012, 08:42 PM
I called my Toro rep earlier today, and they said they should start carrying them late winter (early showing?) or early spring, somewhere around $1500. I hope he's right on the price and timing. Compared to the 30" Timemaster, paying $500 more for a commercial mower and Kawi engine seems like a good idea.

Blades Lawn Maintenance
10-19-2012, 08:43 PM
Looks pretty nice

pseudosun
10-19-2012, 08:47 PM
It's not even winter yet, and spring sounds so good. It's pretty awesome to get out when the first burst happens, and you can check out everyone's new equipment, and give them the nod.

newguy123
10-19-2012, 08:48 PM
It's not even winter yet, and spring sounds so good. It's pretty awesome to get out when the first burst happens, and you can check out everyone's new equipment, and give them the nod.

Yes sir! I'm amped up for next spring already!

OakNut
10-19-2012, 08:59 PM
I wonder - will it mow any better than the residential model?

I recall reading a lot of less than favorable reviews of the cutting/bagging/mulching performance of the residential model.

Those guys were all bashed for buying a residential mower simply because it wasn't "heavy duty". What good is "built to last", if it's a lousy mower?

I guess we will find out next season.

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 09:13 PM
I wonder - will it mow any better than the residential model?

I recall reading a lot of less than favorable reviews of the cutting/bagging/mulching performance of the residential model.

Those guys were all bashed for buying a residential mower simply because it wasn't "heavy duty". What good is "built to last", if it's a lousy mower?

I guess we will find out next season.

Well, these have chambered mulch kits and wavy mulch blades. The residential version had just a plug and atomic blades, which are junk for mulching. When it comes to mulching you need seperate chambers and wavy mulch blades that force the grass down into the turf
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stansoph
10-19-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't have any experience with the Kaw KAI--hopefully it has a LOT more power than the Briggs engine. Mower is way underpowered as a Timemaster/

smallstripesnc
10-19-2012, 09:23 PM
I guarantee it will be just like the residential version. Clog like crazy and the kawasaki isnt big enough. Itll be under powered. I just dont see it having the power to handle the spring growth.

My 36 gravely has a 14.5hp kaw now this looks like the kaw fj180 which isnt near 14.5 so Id say at least 10hp needed since its only 6 inches smaller. Just my 2 cents.
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Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 09:44 PM
I guarantee it will be just like the residential version. Clog like crazy and the kawasaki isnt big enough. Itll be under powered. I just dont see it having the power to handle the spring growth

My 36 gravely has a 14.5hp kaw now this looks like the kaw fj180 which isnt near 14.5 so Id say at least 10hp needed since its only 6 inches smaller. Just my 2 cents.
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There's a big difference in weight and drive system. That will take a lot more to run it. They also changed how it cuts as well
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stansoph
10-19-2012, 09:53 PM
How did they change the way the machine cuts? How did you find out about the chambered deck, etc.

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 10:01 PM
How did they change the way the machine cuts? How did you find out about the chambered deck, etc.

It's in the pictures
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Church2224
10-19-2012, 10:10 PM
How did they change the way the machine cuts? How did you find out about the chambered deck, etc.

It is in the pictures of the Exmark version.

Jimslawncareservice
10-19-2012, 10:14 PM
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=388485
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stansoph
10-19-2012, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the link

lawnkingforever
10-19-2012, 10:39 PM
This mower intrigues me. I pretty much gave up on a 30" - 33" mower. I have turned down a lot of business this year because I only run 48" grandstand and a pushmower. I will not accept any new business that requires alot of pushmowing. The only mower in this size range that I could find to replace a pushmower most of the time was the craftsman/cub 33", unfortunately my 33" does not leave the cut quality I desire. It has held up very well over the years, it is time to retire it. I have found that it will replace a pushmower in 90% of the time. I have looked at a Toro 32", ferris/snapper 32" and others. They simply could not a replace a pushmower on some of my yards. Too many playsets, fences, pools, hills. Ect...... This mower interests me for these reasons.

1. Lighter than other mowers of this size.
2. Can change between mulch, bagging and side discharge in seconds, with out having a large bag sticking out the side reducing its' mobility.
3. Priced right.
4. Durable?

Toro could have a winner here, I will wait and see.
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newguy123
10-19-2012, 10:57 PM
This mower intrigues me. I pretty much gave up on a 30" - 33" mower. I have turned down a lot of business this year because I only run 48" grandstand and a pushmower. I will not accept any new business that requires alot of pushmowing. The only mower in this size range that I could find to replace a pushmower most of the time was the craftsman/cub 33", unfortunately my 33" does not leave the cut quality I desire. It has held up very well over the years, it is time to retire it. I have found that it will replace a pushmower in 90% of the time. I have looked at a Toro 32", ferris/snapper 32" and others. They simply could not a replace a pushmower on some of my yards. Too many playsets, fences, pools, hills. Ect...... This mower interests me for these reasons.

1. Lighter than other mowers of this size.
2. Can change between mulch, bagging and side discharge in seconds, with out having a large bag sticking out the side reducing its' mobility.
3. Priced right.
4. Durable?

Toro could have a winner here, I will wait and see.
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Exactly. You made some really good points. I'll be interested in trying this thing out once Spring rolls around.

orangemower
10-20-2012, 08:42 AM
Hey did you ever get a price from your dealer yet? I really don't need this mower but will probably end up getting one anyways...

Talk about poor business decisions. :laugh:

kawasaki guy
10-20-2012, 08:45 AM
How much is this thing or the eXmark replica? Do the dealers have them yet?

Toro does not have them on their website.

sjessen
10-20-2012, 08:54 AM
How much is this thing or the eXmark replica? Do the dealers have them yet?

Toro does not have them on their website.

My dealer quoted $1799 for the Exmark version. Available after the first of the year.

kawasaki guy
10-20-2012, 08:59 AM
My dealer quoted $1799 for the Exmark version. Available after the first of the year.

thanks!

have a nice day!

weaver
10-20-2012, 04:00 PM
I agree with everyone, that the Ex looks alot better. I just wish it had the height adjustment that the Toro has...

weaver
10-20-2012, 04:01 PM
Talk about poor business decisions. :laugh:

Hey if you got it $$$$

newguy123
10-20-2012, 05:02 PM
Well productivity is the name of the game. Obviously 8-9 inches more compared to a smaller walk behind will definitely get the job done quicker. So...it could be a wise business move, depending on your situation.

dareo
10-22-2012, 06:09 PM
I got an email from Toro. Kawasaki FJ180V and an MSRP of $1999. I can get military discount at Home Depot so that means I'd pay only $959 with tax for a Timemaster or a whopping $2133 for a Turfmaster. I only do a total of 6 lawns per week.

Stronger build (probably weighs more) more reputable engine but has even less torque. The FJ180V Pro model is only rated for 7.3 lbs of tq on Kawasaki's site. I'm not sure if there are up rated models or not.

It just seems not worth it to me. I could buy two time masters and have over 200 bucks for gas before getting the pro version.

Sorry toro, but too much $$$ and not enough power for my 2 grand.

stansoph
10-22-2012, 11:46 PM
For 2000 dollars it needs to be twice the mower. double the price of the original with a wussy motor is crazy.

OakNut
10-23-2012, 12:07 AM
What the hells did you guys think this thing was going to cost?

Everyone was screaming that the Timewhatever was "junk", but if it were a commercial grade machine they'd jump all over it.
Did anyone truly think a commercial version would cost much less than two grand?

weaver
10-23-2012, 12:22 AM
You know i been thinking about really getting the Ex version but just realized i wouldn't have the trailer space... So for me to get a mower i don't even need i need to get a longer/larger trailer... oh well looks like I'm getting a new trailer also.....
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Richard Martin
10-23-2012, 08:12 AM
more reputable engine but has even less torque. The FJ180V Pro model is only rated for 7.3 lbs of tq on Kawasaki's site. I'm not sure if there are up rated models or not.

That is a problem. If you're cutting easy grass, like they show in the video, it's great. Throw this mower into some spring growth, August crabgrass or Bahia, and it will die just like the consumer version does.

stansoph
10-23-2012, 01:32 PM
I will run my Timemaster HO models (5) until one breaks, replace it and move forward. The machine works great for what we use them for. I added a lot of lift to the factory blades and this thing bags like crazy. Yesterday I cut 2.5" of wet KBG and rye; in drizzzle, no clogging and clippings chopped up nicely.

I was going to add a 32 or 36 but a end up with 4 mowers for close to the price of the Toros. A disposable mower for a grand is a good deal to me. Mine will easily last 2 years.

It runs, bags and mulches as well as my Honda 216's wich are under powered in the Spring growth; but almost all mowers choke in the thick, lush, tall grass?

GREENWITHENVY1
11-07-2012, 08:00 PM
I called my Toro rep earlier today, and they said they should start carrying them late winter (early showing?) or early spring, somewhere around $1500. I hope he's right on the price and timing. Compared to the 30" Timemaster, paying $500 more for a commercial mower and Kawi engine seems like a good idea.

The $1500.00 to $1750.00 is crazy and the reason its crazy is due to the TIMEMASTER being over priced to begin with.It should have been no more than $700.00 then this commercial version would be around $1200.00-There not doing anyone here any favors with these crazy $2000.00 mowers,way to much $$$$$$

Church2224
11-07-2012, 08:09 PM
The $1500.00 to $1750.00 is crazy and the reason its crazy is due to the TIMEMASTER being over priced to begin with.It should have been no more than $700.00 then this commercial version would be around $1200.00-There not doing anyone here any favors with these crazy $2000.00 mowers,way to much $$$$$$

Most 21 inch mowers are about 1200 these days and the metro 26 is 1800. I am surprised that we got the Turfmaster for the price it is.

For the price imho this is a pretty good deal for what the Turfmaster and the Commercial 30 are.

OakNut
11-07-2012, 08:12 PM
Most 21 inch mowers are about 1200 these days and the metro 26 is 1800. I am surprised that we got the Turfmaster for the price it is.

For the price imho this is a pretty good deal for what the Turfmaster and the Commercial 30 are.

Exactly.
My Toro 21" Super Recycler (consumer mower) with Honda engine runs $600.

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
11-07-2012, 08:27 PM
I use High Lift blades on everything, year round, and bag everything, is there going to be any blade options for these new mowers?

Church2224
11-07-2012, 08:29 PM
I use High Lift blades on everything, year round, and bag everything, is there going to be any blade options for these new mowers?

Not sure yet, next time I talk to my dealer I will ask, see what he says. If they do I will throw some in when I get the Exmark Version.

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
11-07-2012, 08:31 PM
Not sure yet, next time I talk to my dealer I will ask, see what he says. If they do I will throw some in when I get the Exmark Version.

Yeah a super high lift blade would be perfect....

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
11-07-2012, 08:37 PM
I know the homeowner model had issues with leaving strands of grass down the middle of the mower, I wonder if all the issues this had are now fixed on these commercial mowers.... This thing would sure be a time saver for sure! :)

Church2224
11-07-2012, 08:41 PM
I know the homeowner model had issues with leaving strands of grass down the middle of the mower, I wonder if all the issues this had are now fixed on these commercial mowers.... This thing would sure be a time saver for sure! :)

I hope not, but since Exmark and Toro expect these to be a big hit I bet they have those issues worked out. If not give them a year, it took them a couple months to fix the issues with the Exmark Commercial 21 back in 2010 and now it is one of the best out there.

Richard Martin
11-07-2012, 08:51 PM
For the price imho this is a pretty good deal for what the Turfmaster and the Commercial 30 are.

No one has even cut a blade of grass with either mower and it's already being declared a "pretty good deal"? :laugh:

And just what is the Turfmaster and Commercial 30"? An untested design is all they are. :laugh:

If they're anything like the other 30" then there's going to be a lot of people getting suckered out of $1800. :cry:

Church2224
11-07-2012, 09:02 PM
No one has even cut a blade of grass with either mower and it's already being declared a "pretty good deal"? :laugh:

And just what is the Turfmaster and Commercial 30"? An untested design is all they are. :laugh:

If they're anything like the other 30" then there's going to be a lot of people getting suckered out of $1800. :cry:

I really have seen very few issues with the Time Master in real life and my dealer says people like them. I bet the Commercial 30 inch mowers will be alright.

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
11-07-2012, 09:06 PM
No one has even cut a blade of grass with either mower and it's already being declared a "pretty good deal"? :laugh:

And just what is the Turfmaster and Commercial 30"? An untested design is all they are. :laugh:

If they're anything like the other 30" then there's going to be a lot of people getting suckered out of $1800. :cry:

Or be using our Warranty to the max lol...

Keith
11-07-2012, 11:16 PM
Most 21 inch mowers are about 1200 these days and the metro 26 is 1800. I am surprised that we got the Turfmaster for the price it is.

For the price imho this is a pretty good deal for what the Turfmaster and the Commercial 30 are.

I paid a little over $600 for a commercial Toro self-propelled mower...












...in 1987 ;)

I ordered a heavy-duty Toro from a dealer about two months ago. I couldn't pay him quick enough when he quoted me $1038 for a 22197.

Church2224
11-07-2012, 11:19 PM
I paid a little over $600 for a commercial Toro self-propelled mower...









...in 1987 ;)

I ordered a heavy-duty Toro from a dealer about two months ago. I couldn't pay him quick enough when he quoted me $1038 for a 22197.

1038!?!? Damn that is a good price They go for about 1300 where I am at.

Keith
11-07-2012, 11:58 PM
Yeah. That's what most of them get around here. I was just trying to find one in stock. I called four or five dealers and none of them had them. The last one said he thought he might have one, but checked and they didn't. He said he could get one in a few days for that price. I was like, giddyup!

SVTSHOGT
11-21-2012, 12:55 PM
I use an Ariens zoom34/Gravely zt 34 for small yards, it’s the only twin blade mower I could find that fits through gates no problem. According to the dealer, it has all the same components of it’s bigger brothers just a smaller engine/deck. I can pull my accessories like aerator, dethatcher etc. with it and charge for the service. It has saved me so much time over my push mower it’s not even funny. It seems to me Toro has the right idea for saving time but are off on their price point.

Catmann
12-07-2012, 06:41 PM
Brochure is up on eXmark site. My dealer said $1799 of the X version, due to arrive in Jan with some sort of rebate coming in Feb.

http://www.exmark.com/pdfs/2013_Brochure.pdf

weaver
12-07-2012, 06:48 PM
Brochure is up on eXmark site. My dealer said $1799 of the X version, due to arrive in Jan with some sort of rebate coming in Feb.

http://www.exmark.com/pdfs/2013_Brochure.pdf

I hate to say it as much as i like Exmark, but think it's gonna be underpowered and really dislike the timed blades...

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-07-2012, 07:57 PM
I hate to say it as much as i like Exmark, but think it's gonna be underpowered and really dislike the timed blades...

I wonder Does it take less power to turn a belt that turns the spindles, vs. the engine turning the blades?

weaver
12-07-2012, 08:01 PM
I wonder Does it take less power to turn a belt that turns the spindles, vs. the engine turning the blades?

That's a good point... I really don't know, but at 170 lbs and turning 2 blades it just makes me think it's not gonna be a real power house.. I do however like that new seat in the catalog...

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-07-2012, 08:08 PM
That's a good point... I really don't know, but at 170 lbs and turning 2 blades it just makes me think it's not gonna be a real power house.. I do however like that new seat in the catalog...

I really want one of these, what a time saver, but it does seem like its going to be underpowered, so either wait and let everyone else have problems and wait for them to fix them, or buy one see for myself, idk yet...

Richard Martin
12-07-2012, 08:11 PM
I wonder Does it take less power to turn a belt that turns the spindles, vs. the engine turning the blades?

There is a power loss due to the belt on pulley friction but it's very small. The power wouldn't change regardless of whether a belt drives the blade or it's direct drive. The available torque can change though depending on the pulley ratios. The torque can stay the same, be increased, or decreased. Without knowing the pulley ratios it's impossible to know.

weaver
12-07-2012, 08:14 PM
I really want one of these, what a time saver, but it does seem like its going to be underpowered, so either wait and let everyone else have problems and wait for them to fix them, or buy one see for myself, idk yet...

I'm sorta in the same boat. Don't wanna get it and it not work out but also don't have the room on the trailer. I got a dual gate 12 ft trailer with the 36 Viking on the side gate and the 48 lazer on the back gate. I can get a 21 on the trailer with these two but that's it.

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-07-2012, 08:14 PM
There is a power loss due to the belt on pulley friction but it's very small. The power wouldn't change regardless of whether a belt drives the blade or it's direct drive. The available torque can change though depending on the pulley ratios. The torque can stay the same, be increased, or decreased. Without knowing the pulley ratios it's impossible to know.

Good to know, TY...

joed
12-08-2012, 12:29 PM
Seems like the new Toro/Exmark 30" might be similar to the Exmark 26". At 170 lbs, that's too much weight for a 6 hp engine. The concept of a 26-30" machine is great but there needs to be a different approach to it with more horsepower and perhaps a steering system to help maneuver the machine. I am not sure how much that would add to the cost but I think most people would rather pay more and get the right machine instead of paying less and getting the wrong machine.

Richard Martin
12-08-2012, 12:58 PM
The concept of a 26-30" machine is great but there needs to be a different approach to it with more horsepower and perhaps a steering system to help maneuver the machine. I am not sure how much that would add to the cost but I think most people would rather pay more and get the right machine instead of paying less and getting the wrong machine.

They already have very reliable and sufficiently powered mowers in that class if you can stand 2 more inches of width. I personally don't understand such a burning desire for a 30" mower anyway.

Church2224
12-08-2012, 01:21 PM
They already have very reliable and sufficiently powered mowers in that class if you can stand 2 more inches of width. I personally don't understand such a burning desire for a 30" mower anyway.

My guess is people want a bigger push mower than a 21 inch. I know it would help me be more productive with customers who do not even want a walk behind on their yards

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-08-2012, 01:40 PM
Maybe they're afraid to add more weight of a bigger engine...

Jimslawncareservice
12-08-2012, 01:42 PM
Maybe they're afraid to add more weight of a bigger engine...

If they would add weight, they would really need to add width to the tires to help with rutting.
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NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-08-2012, 01:43 PM
If they would add weight, they would really need to add width to the tires to help with rutting.
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Yeah very true, I can already see this being an issue...

Duekster
12-08-2012, 01:43 PM
Maybe they're afraid to add more weight of a bigger engine...

bigger tires are less PSI on the ground.

Some one beat me to it.

Jimslawncareservice
12-08-2012, 01:46 PM
My guess is people want a bigger push mower than a 21 inch. I know it would help me be more productive with customers who do not even want a walk behind on their yards

Would help me greatly. I have one ordered for spring. I have a lot of postage stamp size lawns. Using a 60" for a couple minutes then spend most of the time trimming or using a 21" doesn't make sense. Using a 30" is more compact than a 32" walk behind and faster than a 21".
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Duekster
12-08-2012, 01:52 PM
It is not the weight on the ground as pnuematic tires solve that problem. It is the weight of the mower itself for the operators and manuvering.

You want a simple to use mower that just about anyone can use and not get worn out much less take down a fence.

Church2224
12-08-2012, 01:55 PM
Would help me greatly. I have one ordered for spring. I have a lot of postage stamp size lawns. Using a 60" for a couple minutes then spend most of the time trimming or using a 21" doesn't make sense. Using a 30" is more compact than a 32" walk behind and faster than a 21".
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That is my situation. In some cases I am afraid to put a 48 inch mower on some of these lawns. I even feel my Gravely 48 inch walk behind is too big at times. With a 21 it could take me over an hour to do some of these properties, a 30 could cut my time down to maybe even a half hour. I think I will add the Exmark version next year.

lawnkingforever
12-09-2012, 11:45 AM
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Yes sir, very true. In my application, a 32" wb will never replace a pushmower. Having a mower larger than a 20" that can switch between bagging, mulching and side discharge quickly and easily is also important. As a solo operator, I like to keep it simple. I do not want a trailer full of mowers being hauled around all day. Plus the time of loading and unloading them all day, on top of the maintenance involved. This past year, I switched things up and only took 2 mowers along, a Grandstand on the trailer and a Toro SR4 in the pick up bed. There is definitely a niche to be filled in the market for this type of mower.
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prime123321
12-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Hey all just started my lawn maintenance and landscape business about 6 months ago and was very interested in the Time Master but passed. I found another video of the Turf Master with some real world usage. Seems to bag leaves well and handle pretty decent hard to tell the cut quality but looks to do well in the wet/damp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFz81iJsx4

Best Regards,
David

Church2224
12-16-2012, 12:21 PM
Hey all just started my lawn maintenance and landscape business about 6 months ago and was very interested in the Time Master but passed. I found another video of the Turf Master with some real world usage. Seems to bag leaves well and handle pretty decent hard to tell the cut quality but looks to do well in the wet/damp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFz81iJsx4

Best Regards,
David


I saw that the other day too, just did not have the time to post it. Looks like it is handling fairly well and bags well too. That is also the North West, it is very wet up there. Looks like I will be picking one up

NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC
12-16-2012, 12:28 PM
My concern is the 170 lb machine with those rigid tires, I have a problem this time of year with my 110 lb Honda commercial mower rutting and/or leaving marks, it seems this would be even worse, but then again the weight is spread out over a wider wheel base, but I wonder if there a small pneumatic tire out there that could replace those tires to take a little weight pressure off the ground?

Richard Martin
12-16-2012, 05:32 PM
I found another video of the Turf Master with some real world usage. Seems to bag leaves well and handle pretty decent hard to tell the cut quality but looks to do well in the wet/damp.

Hi David, I'm Richard.

That's not real world usage. The grass wasn't even up to the front lip of the mower. I'd also have to double cut where he was picking up leaves. It left too many visible leaf chips for my liking.

How would that mower do in this grass? This is my real world weekly growth of Bahia. And yes, that's one week.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/RMartin631/mower%20stuff/bahia.jpg

weaver
12-16-2012, 06:53 PM
Hi David, I'm Richard.

That's not real world usage. The grass wasn't even up to the front lip of the mower. I'd also have to double cut where he was picking up leaves. It left too many visible leaf chips for my liking.

How would that mower do in this grass? This is my real world weekly growth of Bahia. And yes, that's one week.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/RMartin631/mower%20stuff/bahia.jpg

I thought the same thing. For a first reveiw they sure used it on some week conditions. I'd like to see it around end of April or May myself. As for your lawn better stick to the commercial Z's or walkbehind, i don't see any 21 or 30 doing that..

Exact Rototilling
12-16-2012, 08:23 PM
I will run my Timemaster HO models (5) until one breaks, replace it and move forward. The machine works great for what we use them for. I added a lot of lift to the factory blades and this thing bags like crazy. Yesterday I cut 2.5" of wet KBG and rye; in drizzzle, no clogging and clippings chopped up nicely.

I was going to add a 32 or 36 but a end up with 4 mowers for close to the price of the Toros. A disposable mower for a grand is a good deal to me. Mine will easily last 2 years.

It runs, bags and mulches as well as my Honda 216's wich are under powered in the Spring growth; but almost all mowers choke in the thick, lush, tall grass?

What exactly did you do to the OEM blades to get more lift....? You may of posted this but for the most part I have not spent much time on LS from September onward.

I still have an assortment of blades to modify for the Toro 30 this winter. I run and operate 2 business solo so I’m busy.

What I really like about the homeowner Toro 30 is the 90 degree fold up handle and the lightweight.

Both of these are lost :hammerhead: on the commercial grade Toro/Exmark.

FWIW the T30 is not a primary use mower for me. It replaces a slow boat PITA 21” in most situations. I also run a yBravo 25. Have not run a TimeWaster 21” for well over a year.

My BOP mowers flat out slay the T30 and yBravo 25 in cut quality and manicured appearance.

prime123321
12-17-2012, 01:42 PM
Richard: Wow that is some growth I'm down here in Texas and the growth I see is not so overwhelming. I can see why this mower doesn't fit your business.

Exact Rototilling: I wish that BOP was still making mowers but the website seems to hint otherwise for the time being. I was looking at a Dually 32 for my main residential mower along with either the Turfmaster or the Ybravo 25 and the current HO 22" I'm using. This would have been the ideal setup as we have so many different sized gates and A/C units in odd places. I would then add on a 48" ztr to cover the larger/commercial properties.

Exact Rototilling
12-17-2012, 10:13 PM
Gary is still looking for investors. The BOP dually 32 rocks and is their most versatile mower. I have 2 of the dually 32's.
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