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stuvecorp
10-25-2012, 12:57 AM
What would you guys say a truck like this can pull? It has the Dt466 with an Allison. Figure just using electric trailer brakes. How big of an excavator would you pull behind it?

Thanks to RJ for finding it.

alldayrj
10-25-2012, 01:03 AM
You're welcome bro, you owe me a spin if you get it. Can't speak on the lo pros or autos but my 87 with the 466 will pull 5 yards of dirt and 10k on a trailer without noticing it. Its pretty amazing. Like when people say they pull their skid with their 2500 HD and "don't even feel it" they need to feel what its like to tow with an MDT. It will also stop it no problem.
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stuvecorp
10-25-2012, 01:15 AM
I like that truck but by the time I sell both of mine it will probably be gone(and it doesn't have fold down sides :nono:). And this one has to much weight on it, but I do like the size. I hauled the TK153 behind the 550 and it didn't seem out of control or any different than moving the Case.

bearmtnmartin
10-26-2012, 11:20 AM
I had that same truck with a 6 speed and it pulled my 11000 pound JCB plus 5 or 6 yards in the box with no trouble. But not very fast though.

stuvecorp
10-26-2012, 07:12 PM
I'm not going to have any material in the box when hauling equipment, so could a truck like this handle a 70 or 75 size excavator behind it?

alldayrj
10-26-2012, 07:22 PM
Do these trucks have ridiculous tow ratings from the manufacturer like 1 ton pickups?
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mxridernorth
10-26-2012, 07:25 PM
I used to pull about 25000 lbs (trailer and ex) behind my S/A. It had air brakes, Cummins L10, and 10 spd road ranger. The pulling wasn't the issue, it was the stopping, which was fine in the dry but downright scary in the wet.

I'd say you'd be happy pulling any machine up to around 14000 lbs. Of course it depends on the trailer and how you load. Make sure you have a good brake controller like the Prodigy 2 as they make all the difference in the world.

AEL
10-26-2012, 07:26 PM
I'm sure it could pull a 75 size ex , but I wouldn't want to do it all the time. 7.5 tons plus the weight of the trailer you are looking at 9-10+ tonne.
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stuvecorp
10-26-2012, 08:28 PM
Right now I have a 550 and a 33,000 gvw Kodiak. I know the 550(I think is limited to tow around 12,000 pound load) can't go more and the Kodiak would have no problem towing even a 75 and skid. I want to sell both and move up to something like the IH pictured for the 'little' truck and then get a tandem/baby tri dump.

The little truck would have to be able to move the excavator in for small day projects and do my small black dirt deliveries. I'm not so concerned about the go, more on the stop part. I also wonder if the Allison has a 'tow haul' like the super duty?

4 seasons lawn&land
10-26-2012, 08:34 PM
That truck can pull more than the largest electric brake trailers. Is it a 26k or 33k? A 26 would move a 100 and a 33 a 120. Those are the limits I would think. And I would be avoiding the hills.

mxridernorth
10-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Right now I have a 550 and a 33,000 gvw Kodiak. I know the 550(I think is limited to tow around 12,000 pound load) can't go more and the Kodiak would have no problem towing even a 75 and skid. I want to sell both and move up to something like the IH pictured for the 'little' truck and then get a tandem/baby tri dump.

The little truck would have to be able to move the excavator in for small day projects and do my small black dirt deliveries. I'm not so concerned about the go, more on the stop part. I also wonder if the Allison has a 'tow haul' like the super duty?

I'm in the hunt for a small truck for exactly the same reasons. I already own the tandem but need another truck for the smaller jobs. I can't believe how low the 550's tow rating is!? Are you sure you didn't get it mixed up with the max payload?

stuvecorp
10-26-2012, 08:50 PM
I'm in the hunt for a small truck for exactly the same reasons. I already own the tandem but need another truck for the smaller jobs. I can't believe how low the 550's tow rating is!? Are you sure you didn't get it mixed up with the max payload?

I will clarify that- I just feel behind the 550 the limit was pulling a Takeuchi 153 which was just under 13,000 pounds plus the trailer. Not sure what the 'official' rating is?

mxridernorth
10-26-2012, 09:13 PM
I will clarify that- I just feel behind the 550 the limit was pulling a Takeuchi 153 which was just under 13,000 pounds plus the trailer. Not sure what the 'official' rating is?

I'd be tempted to stick with the 550 and then go for the tandem. What motor is in the 550? Have you done a fuel consumption/maintenance comparison between the two?
Aside from my tandem, I have an '01 F350 DRW (which is too small) with the old 7.3 because I fear the newer motors. My next go around I'm fairly certain I will be switching to a cabover for a small truck as they are generally: well built, maneuverable, fuel efficient, and dead easy to work on.

Danny Boy
10-26-2012, 10:20 PM
Local guy here pulls a 120 sized hoe with a dt 466 single axle, has done for years legally.
I have the same truck and can load a tak 230 track loader and my 161 on ot and it tows great on the flay but is a dog in the hills, always gets there though...

Hollowellreid
10-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Agreed- Single axle could probably tow a 80 size + excavator without trouble.

We will move a TK TL130 and a Deere 35D on a tandem axle deckover that weighs 5k. Slow sometimes but not an issue.

Do you know what spec DT466 it is? Our smaller truck is a 190hp 466 that is turned up. Pretty strong truck for what it is.

stuvecorp
10-26-2012, 10:52 PM
I'd be tempted to stick with the 550 and then go for the tandem. What motor is in the 550? Have you done a fuel consumption/maintenance comparison between the two?
Aside from my tandem, I have an '01 F350 DRW (which is too small) with the old 7.3 because I fear the newer motors. My next go around I'm fairly certain I will be switching to a cabover for a small truck as they are generally: well built, maneuverable, fuel efficient, and dead easy to work on.

Mine has the 6.0 diesel and overall not complaining how it towed the TK. It's just if I move up and get the 75 size with a deckover trailer, I don't think that would be safe or good for the 550. From what I could find the fuel mileage would be very close. I also would like to be able to have an additional 6,000 pounds of carrying capacity.

Those cabovers really don't have a towing capacity?

Local guy here pulls a 120 sized hoe with a dt 466 single axle, has done for years legally.
I have the same truck and can load a tak 230 track loader and my 161 on ot and it tows great on the flay but is a dog in the hills, always gets there though...

Fortunately it's not hilly here. I also remember guys use to haul their TLB's around with single axles(and alot were gas with 5&2...).

alldayrj
10-26-2012, 10:53 PM
These guys have me second guessing the lo pro with the 444. But every one I've found with the 466 is a manual
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david bailey
10-26-2012, 10:58 PM
I have an F 750 with a c-7 Cat and a 6 speed tranny. it's a 33.500 gvwr and I have it licensed for 45k. I can load 9 tons and be legal and can pull my B 26 sitting on my 10 ton deck over. I have electric brakes on the trailer,air on the truck. the Cat has a lot of power and torque. I can ramble down the hiway fully loaded and easily maintain 70 mph. braking isn't a problem either. I can haul my Tak 140 and a little less tonnage in the dump bed. I need to figure out how to upload some pics.

stuvecorp
10-26-2012, 11:05 PM
These guys have me second guessing the lo pro with the 444. But every one I've found with the 466 is a manual
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I like those old ChemLawn trucks but am scared of the 444 being really slow and can it tow decent?

david bailey
10-26-2012, 11:06 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=4882844432473&set=a.4882844352471.2191135.1338451823&type=1&theater

heres what my dumptruck looks like

david bailey
10-26-2012, 11:06 PM
ooops
I will keep trying

david bailey
10-26-2012, 11:13 PM
BHP staphanian 082

try this

alldayrj
10-27-2012, 12:25 AM
no go, try photobucket

stuvecorp
10-27-2012, 01:59 AM
Keep trying David, we want to see your ride. :drinkup:

AWJ Services
10-27-2012, 10:08 AM
There are 2 ways too post pics. You can upload them to the lawnsite server or link them from an outside host like photo bucket.

There is a manage attachemnts yellow bar that is below the box you type in when posting messages. Click on it and another window will appear and you can upload your pic from your pc.

Or click on the little picture icon above and copy and past the url from where the photo is hosted. Cannot be hosted on your computer.

Hollowellreid
10-27-2012, 11:55 AM
I too was looking at the low pro/444e trucks. The DT466 is leaps and bounds ahead in my book. All of our smaller trucks are automatics but I seem to like the manual in the medium duty units.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MNchdSGJIa4/UIvz81ScW-I/AAAAAAAAEzA/C5zP462vOJ0/s640/IMG_1934.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SDqkxZrq6nQ/UIvzrTdlYKI/AAAAAAAAEyk/tkHgoO-H2uU/s640/IMG_2046.jpg

4 seasons lawn&land
10-27-2012, 11:17 PM
My single axle is a DT 530 and thats slow when loaded. The 444 would be out of the running for me.

alldayrj
10-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Even as a low pro, day to day, move the skid, get a couple yards of sand or rca truck? We all know to really haul heavy you need a heavy truck
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mxridernorth
10-28-2012, 01:14 AM
The 444 is basically the 7.3 powerstroke. I couldn't imagine trying to haul around the weight of that truck, plus trailer, plus 7 ton excavator with a 7.3. But you do live in an area with minimal hills so you may feel it's okay. You won't be getting many speeding ticket that's for sure.

ksss
10-28-2012, 10:59 PM
I would try and find a 33K with an L-10 or M-11 with a 9 speed or maybe an auto if you can find one. More is almost always better, especially in this case.

david bailey
10-29-2012, 12:04 AM
try this
C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Pictures\my picture catalog\BHP staphanian 082.jpg

AWJ Services
10-29-2012, 12:57 AM
try this
C:\Documents and Settings\David\My Documents\My Pictures\my picture catalog\BHP staphanian 082.jpg

I guess you did not read my post where you cannot use photos hosted on youyr computer unless you upload them to Lawnsites server?

stuvecorp
10-29-2012, 01:08 AM
So I guess We've basically gotten to the point of 'do what I want because I will anyway' on a truck like this?

AWJ Services
10-29-2012, 08:09 AM
So I guess We've basically gotten to the point of 'do what I want because I will anyway' on a truck like this?

In Georgia there is no clearly defined rule on a vehicles towing capacity once a CDL is required.

david bailey
10-29-2012, 11:54 AM
yeah AWJ,I am trying to figure out how to use this Photo Bucket

Lazer_Z
10-29-2012, 02:26 PM
yeah AWJ,I am trying to figure out how to use this Photo Bucketdavid, no need for photo bucket or any other hosting site when trying to post pics on here. Look here and you'll find the process http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=59514

david bailey
10-29-2012, 10:32 PM
OK,lets see what I can do............

david bailey
10-29-2012, 10:39 PM
ok dokeyhttp://Documents and Settings\David

stuvecorp
10-29-2012, 11:00 PM
In Georgia there is no clearly defined rule on a vehicles towing capacity once a CDL is required.

That is the only drawback(I think) to upsizing the excavator but I've only put off the CDL for 15 years...

david bailey
10-30-2012, 12:43 AM
try this time

david bailey
10-30-2012, 12:45 AM
there's a picture of my dumptruck

stuvecorp
10-30-2012, 01:00 AM
:drinkup: :clapping: Yea for David! Nice ride, I do like the looks of those Fords. Shame they didn't go over better.

david bailey
10-30-2012, 01:03 AM
I'm feeling lucky now!

AWJ Services
10-30-2012, 08:09 AM
David that is a nice truck. Whats the Hp rating on the C7 and is it a high torque version?

david bailey
10-30-2012, 11:56 AM
it's a 300hp-and like 960 on the torque. It's got a 6 speed tranny and 468 rear gear. It tops out about 78mph and will pull it all the way up. I can legally haul 8.5 tons(tare is 16,500) and I licensed it for 45K so I could be loaded and pull my trailer and a piece of equipment

AWJ Services
10-31-2012, 08:15 AM
can always borrow this guys DT466 if you find a truck that does not have enough power.


http://www.youtube.com/user/NHRDA?feature=watch