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sbrogan78
10-25-2012, 11:42 AM
I'm a home owner of about 2.5 acres and am considering buying a Hustler Fast Trak or a Scag Freedom. Any thoughts?

jason72g
10-25-2012, 11:50 AM
We had a FastTrak Super Duty and we loved it. Handled anything we threw at it. I would almost say, without knowing the price differenc, if you can go for the SCAG in terms of $$ then you should. You can never go wrong with SCAG and I have heard people say the cut quality on the Hustler isn't miraculous.

Of course we thought it was great, but that's all we knew... We had no experience with any other ZTR brand.

sbrogan78
10-25-2012, 12:51 PM
We had a FastTrak Super Duty and we loved it. Handled anything we threw at it. I would almost say, without knowing the price differenc, if you can go for the SCAG in terms of $$ then you should. You can never go wrong with SCAG and I have heard people say the cut quality on the Hustler isn't miraculous.

Of course we thought it was great, but that's all we knew... We had no experience with any other ZTR brand.

The freedom is the lower end of the scag and comparable in price with the hustker. Within a couple hundred dollars. I have heard the scag cuts really nice but the deck on the freedom is a different deck then all the other higher end Scag's so I didn't know how well it performed in comparison.
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Brules
10-25-2012, 01:14 PM
Even though the Freedom Z does not have the velocity deck, it still cuts and stripes better than the hustler deck. They use the same hydros, similiar motors etc. The Hustler "looks" a little more commercial, but they are actually pretty much the same spec wise.

The Freedom Z needs a canister air filter though I think.....

sbrogan78
10-25-2012, 02:19 PM
Even though the Freedom Z does not have the velocity deck, it still cuts and stripes better than the hustler deck. They use the same hydros, similiar motors etc. The Hustler "looks" a little more commercial, but they are actually pretty much the same spec wise.

The Freedom Z needs a canister air filter though I think.....
I'm also not a fan of the cable used on the deck elevation. Wouldn't think I would cost that much more to do like the other models.
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IS500Z
10-25-2012, 05:58 PM
The Freedom Z has its own deck and does not use the Velocity deck like the rest of Scag's line as has been stated above. That said it seems to perform well. The Freedom Z also sits lower than the Hustler which you may or may not like. Between the two I would go with the one that has the best dealer support in your area. Both are good brands.

SRT8
10-25-2012, 07:46 PM
I recently bought a 36" freedom Z, i have used it once, i only bought it because it had 8 hours and the owner only wanted $2500. It cuts really nice an leaves nice stripes. I would definantly recomend it.
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2stroked
10-25-2012, 09:12 PM
I have a freedom z48in with the 19hp kaw. I really like the mower cuts and stripes as good as any other scag

sbrogan78
10-25-2012, 10:10 PM
I have a freedom z48in with the 19hp kaw. I really like the mower cuts and stripes as good as any other scag

That 19hp engine was another concern of mine. Most of the other machines in that category have at lest 24 hp engines. Is the 19 really enough to cut a week or so worth of growing at full speed?
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timhall
10-29-2012, 05:11 PM
My vote goes to the Hustler Fastrak, I tried them both.:cool2:

IS500Z
10-29-2012, 06:03 PM
That 19hp engine was another concern of mine. Most of the other machines in that category have at lest 24 hp engines. Is the 19 really enough to cut a week or so worth of growing at full speed?
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When I was waiting delivery of my Tiger Cat I had a Freedom Z on loan for a week or so. My lawn is fertilized, irrigated and grows like crazy in the summer. The 19-hp Kawi motor did not have any problems cutting through my lawn growth. I was discharging and not mulching. If you mulch it could be a problem in tall wet grass.

kawasaki guy
11-01-2012, 06:54 AM
I think the freedom Z only goes 8mph

Capemay Eagle
11-01-2012, 03:39 PM
That 19hp engine was another concern of mine. Most of the other machines in that category have at lest 24 hp engines. Is the 19 really enough to cut a week or so worth of growing at full speed?
Posted via Mobile Device I have a 19hp Kawi on my 42" Super duty and it is incredible. The machine is fast and has never bogged down once. However, this is a 42" with two blades. Both great machines, I was between a Freedom and Hustler years back and went with Hustler and I am glad I did.

hustlermidwest
11-02-2012, 08:26 AM
Just to put a little bias suggestion in this talk. I've worked for corporate lawn mower manufacturers and privately owned manufacturers. There is a big difference between the two when it comes to after the sale support. You will see at times Mr. Mullet engaging discussions on this sight. I don't recall any other President of a mower manufacturer doing that. The Corporate company answers to stock holders when the private company answers to you. When making a purchase as large as the one you are about to you need to look down the road at the after the sale support. I don't mean just the dealer, but the maker of the equipment. Hustler has your back.

Brian O

straightforward
11-02-2012, 10:14 AM
The Scag Freedom is alot better choice than the Hustler Fastrak for the simple reason of discharge.The question of best support Scag again hands down. SORRY Mr Midwest

IS500Z
11-02-2012, 05:11 PM
The Corporate company answers to stock holders when the private company answers to you.

Brian O

Not sure if this was a general statement, but Scag is owned by a private company as well.

hustlermidwest
11-02-2012, 05:34 PM
I stand corrected,
I meant privately owned vs Corp.
Correct, Scag is owed by Metalcraft I believe.
Brian O

retrodog
11-02-2012, 06:06 PM
I have both here side by side. Both trades, I agree with the guy earlier the Fastrak looks a little beefier. I like the Scag with the motor turned the right way instead of to the side, and I like the bars on the rearend of the scag protecting the motor. Here is my negative on the scag. I don't know if its a weird coincedence or what, but the one Bad Boy I sold with a 19hp Kawasaki for a homeowner in 2008 crapped out last week (just installed a new one on it for $1550), and on a Scag 48" 19hp I got on trade couple weeks ago is smoking like i am spraying mosquitos. I just got rebuild parts to rebuild both the old BB motor and the scag. This is the only 2 kawasaki 19hp I have ever touched, sold ,or seen in 5 years I have been a mower dealer, and they both require rebuild same week. Both motors were built in 2008 and both were homeowner owned very well taken care of. I personally would lean someone on a machine with the 23 or 25hp more streamline kawa here with much less issues. Percentage wise the 19hp has a 100% failure rate here within 300 hours on one, and 1200 hours on the other...lol. The Scag does a have bigger discharge chute opening, but they cut so identacle its scary.... no wet lush grass to compare though.

sbrogan78
11-02-2012, 08:33 PM
I have both here side by side. Both trades, I agree with the guy earlier the Fastrak looks a little beefier. I like the Scag with the motor turned the right way instead of to the side, and I like the bars on the rearend of the scag protecting the motor. Here is my negative on the scag. I don't know if its a weird coincedence or what, but the one Bad Boy I sold with a 19hp Kawasaki for a homeowner in 2008 crapped out last week (just installed a new one on it for $1550), and on a Scag 48" 19hp I got on trade couple weeks ago is smoking like i am spraying mosquitos. I just got rebuild parts to rebuild both the old BB motor and the scag. This is the only 2 kawasaki 19hp I have ever touched, sold ,or seen in 5 years I have been a mower dealer, and they both require rebuild same week. Both motors were built in 2008 and both were homeowner owned very well taken care of. I personally would lean someone on a machine with the 23 or 25hp more streamline kawa here with much less issues. Percentage wise the 19hp has a 100% failure rate here within 300 hours on one, and 1200 hours on the other...lol. The Scag does a have bigger discharge chute opening, but they cut so identacle its scary.... no wet lush grass to compare though.

Thanks! This was really helpful! I'm leaning more towards the fast trak with the 24hp Kawasaki.
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sbrogan78
11-02-2012, 08:40 PM
Just to put a little bias suggestion in this talk. I've worked for corporate lawn mower manufacturers and privately owned manufacturers. There is a big difference between the two when it comes to after the sale support. You will see at times Mr. Mullet engaging discussions on this sight. I don't recall any other President of a mower manufacturer doing that. The Corporate company answers to stock holders when the private company answers to you. When making a purchase as large as the one you are about to you need to look down the road at the after the sale support. I don't mean just the dealer, but the maker of the equipment. Hustler has your back.

I was mainly looking away from the hustler for a while and more at the scag due to the three local dealers here didn't represent them very well. Their inventory set outside all the time, arm rest were falling apart from the sun, rust on the key chains, etc. Just not real impressive for a $6k investment. I just found another dealer not much further away whose equipment is in perfect shap. Really takes care of his product. That another think that's swinging me back to hustler. About 90% sure that's where we r heading.

Brian O
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sbrogan78
11-02-2012, 09:04 PM
Just to put a little bias suggestion in this talk. I've worked for corporate lawn mower manufacturers and privately owned manufacturers. There is a big difference between the two when it comes to after the sale support. You will see at times Mr. Mullet engaging discussions on this sight. I don't recall any other President of a mower manufacturer doing that. The Corporate company answers to stock holders when the private company answers to you. When making a purchase as large as the one you are about to you need to look down the road at the after the sale support. I don't mean just the dealer, but the maker of the equipment. Hustler has your back.

I was mainly looking away from the hustler for a while and more at the scag due to the three local dealers here didn't represent them very well. Their inventory set outside all the time, arm rest were falling apart from the sun, rust on the key chains, etc. Just not real impressive for a $6k investment. I just found another dealer not much further away whose equipment is in perfect shap. Really takes care of his product. That another think that's swinging me back to hustler. About 90% sure that's where we r heading.

Brian O
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Brules
11-02-2012, 09:25 PM
I like the Scag stuff, and really want one - but I think at the Freedom Z price point, there are many more choices that are just as good if not better, OR if you pay a tad more you can get a whole lot more mower......

Look at the Fastrak Super Duty - it is right there with the Freedom Z price and I think you get more for your $ with it. $1000 more and you can get a Bad Boy Outlaw with 5400 Hydros.....

And to add to it, Gravely is coming out with a new Pro Turn to compete at the $5-6k range.....I am really looking forward to seeing how it is equipped.

sbrogan78
11-02-2012, 09:47 PM
I like the Scag stuff, and really want one - but I think at the Freedom Z price point, there are many more choices that are just as good if not better, OR if you pay a tad more you can get a whole lot more mower......

Look at the Fastrak Super Duty - it is right there with the Freedom Z price and I think you get more for your $ with it. $1000 more and you can get a Bad Boy Outlaw with 5400 Hydros.....

And to add to it, Gravely is coming out with a new Pro Turn to compete at the $5-6k range.....I am really looking forward to seeing how it is equipped.

I couldn't agree with you more about the scag freedom line. I would love to have a scag tiger cat but can't justify the couple thousand more dollars. If I was going to use it commercially absolutely but I have a big problem. My back gets real soar sleeping on the couch and that's where I'd be sleeping when my wife found out I dropped $8k on a mower for just our yard! Lol
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Brules
11-03-2012, 12:21 AM
If you can hold off, wait and see what Gravely comes out with....that is what I am doing. There were pics of it at the GIE show but no info. It looks like they took their Pro Turn 100 and removed a few items from it like the canister filter:

This was posted in another thread, $6100 and is based off of Gravelys high end Pro Turn frame/mower, which are built like TANKS:

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=259318&stc=1&d=1351257085

sbrogan78
11-03-2012, 04:56 PM
If you can hold off, wait and see what Gravely comes out with....that is what I am doing. There were pics of it at the GIE show but no info. It looks like they took their Pro Turn 100 and removed a few items from it like the canister filter:

This was posted in another thread, $6100 and is based off of Gravelys high end Pro Turn frame/mower, which are built like TANKS:

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=259318&stc=1&d=1351257085

Might have to wait a little longer to see that one. I really tile the Pro 100 but once again put my foot down on $7200 bring to much. This one might be a good medium between the pro 100 and the zt hd. I didn't like the zt quite enough to buy it even though the price was tempting.
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Brules
11-03-2012, 05:44 PM
My local dealer said March 2013 is when he will get his in......If the 52" is $6100, then a 48" should be less and one heck of a machine for that $.

OldMan56
11-04-2012, 08:20 PM
I'm looking at several different dealers for my equipment. One of them sells both Scag and Hustler. I was leaning toward the Hustler FastTrak SD 60" with the 26hp kawasaki because it was less expensive than the Tiger Cat I first considered. But just tonight I see the dealer has posted new pricing for the Hustler on their website and it is now the same as their posted price for the Scag 61" Freedom Z with the 30hp B&S. I also see on the Hustler website that their commercial lineup has changed for 2013. The FasTrak SD line is now listed under residential and they have two X-One models and two Super Z models in the commercial lineup. Just when I am about to complete my business plan I have to rethink the whole thing!

sbrogan78
11-05-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm looking at several different dealers for my equipment. One of them sells both Scag and Hustler. I was leaning toward the Hustler FastTrak SD 60" with the 26hp kawasaki because it was less expensive than the Tiger Cat I first considered. But just tonight I see the dealer has posted new pricing for the Hustler on their website and it is now the same as their posted price for the Scag 61" Freedom Z with the 30hp B&S. I also see on the Hustler website that their commercial lineup has changed for 2013. The FasTrak SD line is now listed under residential and they have two X-One models and two Super Z models in the commercial lineup. Just when I am about to complete my business plan I have to rethink the whole thing!
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sbrogan78
11-05-2012, 09:25 PM
I'm looking at several different dealers for my equipment. One of them sells both Scag and Hustler. I was leaning toward the Hustler FastTrak SD 60" with the 26hp kawasaki because it was less expensive than the Tiger Cat I first considered. But just tonight I see the dealer has posted new pricing for the Hustler on their website and it is now the same as their posted price for the Scag 61" Freedom Z with the 30hp B&S. I also see on the Hustler website that their commercial lineup has changed for 2013. The FasTrak SD line is now listed under residential and they have two X-One models and two Super Z models in the commercial lineup. Just when I am about to complete my business plan I have to rethink the whole thing!


I completely understand! I was pretty much settled on the hustler fast trak with the 691 Kawasaki. One of the biggest factors was the scag freedom in the Kawasaki was only 19 hp. Well just yesterday I found out they have just released a freedom z the now upgraded to the same 691 Kawasaki the hustler has! Crap!
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dieseltech
11-05-2012, 09:35 PM
Looks like kubota will be offering a zg100 series. Zt3100 trans 5" deep fabbed deck, 22" rear tires and a suspension seat. Also built in led headlights integrated into the front frame. Looks like a very nice mower
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dieseltech
11-05-2012, 09:39 PM
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8UoJEpDtGCVY3Z0WXBpV2w3M0U/edit?pli=1
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sbrogan78
11-05-2012, 09:58 PM
Looks like kubota will be offering a zg100 series. Zt3100 trans 5" deep fabbed deck, 22" rear tires and a suspension seat. Also built in led headlights integrated into the front frame. Looks like a very nice mower
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Any idea $?
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dieseltech
11-05-2012, 10:29 PM
6k range? Thats just heresay tho
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Brules
11-05-2012, 10:34 PM
Yeah just saw that, very impressive package, especially with the suspension seat.

The one thing I noticed is the deck is not chained, looks more like a static mounted deck.

dieseltech
11-05-2012, 10:43 PM
I have a zd326. The kubotas use that design. I like it as it keeps the deck sway and movement at a minnimum
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Brules
11-05-2012, 11:00 PM
I wonder if the deck designer is neutered like everyone else does.....? Looks like a beefy deck....