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Fwilamosky
10-26-2012, 01:34 PM
So for next year I plan on purchasing a larger trailer during the winter when they're cheaper. My problem is that I don't know which to purchase a 16 foot or an 18 foot. My setup is current a 48in walkbehind and a 61 procat ztr. I plan on adding a 36in wb as well for next year along with a bagging system for the ztr. Does anyone have a similar setups that they can post to show an example of how it all might fit? I mainly get my revenue from mowing and mulch installations

T Scapes
10-26-2012, 01:48 PM
are you planning on going open or enclosed. Do you usually haul your own mulch of have it delivered. I am upgrading to an enclosed next year and going with an 18ft which will fit my 48in turf tracer and 2 scag tiger cats. If i wanted to fit a bagger on the ztr or a little bigger mower like a turf tiger i could just turn the walk behind sideways. IF you usually haul your own mulch id get an high side open trailer 18ft or maybe 20 if you go the open route check out Appalachian trailer there based out of ohio and make a great trailer

jlong10
10-26-2012, 01:48 PM
I would go with the 18'. I think your setup should fit on either size. In my opinion it's always better to have a few extra feet to haul anything extra you may need. Also consider trying to find one at least 7' wide. Though it will more than likely be easier to find a 16', I think the bigger the better.

Fwilamosky
10-26-2012, 02:20 PM
I'm thinking a 20' would be too large for my current set up, but it would most likely be an open trailer due to the weight my 1/2 ton can pull in relation to the mpg. If i get another truck and add another crew then I might get an enclosed.
I'll check out the Appalachian trailer here in Ohio. I will not buy a trailer smaller than 7' since a nagger attachment will put me over that
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jones68
10-26-2012, 02:28 PM
if you can i would go with the 18. i currently have a 36 & 48 walkbehind and a 56 lazer with ultra vac i have a 12 foot trailer i can turn the 48 sideways and drive the lazer in straight and get the gate closed but it rubs the back of the bagging system i dont like that im afraid one shift and its going to crack the plastic. what that tells me is that my lazer with bagger on is a little over 8 feet long 8 + 4 + 3 = 15' so the 16 will fit but with only a little to spare i plan on getting a 16 or an 18 over the winter also

Fwilamosky
10-26-2012, 03:52 PM
Yeah I am provably gonna buy an 18' trailer from Appalachian with the 6000 pound axels
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jones68
10-26-2012, 04:15 PM
I was looking at Kaufman trailers they look pretty good online
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jones68
10-26-2012, 04:42 PM
http://www.kaufmantrailers.com/heavy-equipment-trailer-store/Kaufman-Trailers-Catalog/Tandem-Landscape-Utility-Trailers/10,000-GVWR---20-ft.-Landscape-Utility-Trailer-DELUXE-p364.html
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Fwilamosky
10-26-2012, 05:37 PM
Looks like a solid unit except that at Appalachian trailers a 18' 6k axel only costs 2399
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jones68
10-26-2012, 05:39 PM
I haven't looked at that brand much to know the specs of the frame cross members and such. I know that here if you have a trailer with a gvw of over 10,001 lbs you need a CDL
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jones68
10-26-2012, 06:02 PM
Looks like the Appalachian is made with an angle frame I would want channel carrying that much weight also comes withe bias tires. Buying a trailer is just like a truck now a days you gotta really look into the components it's crazy how different the different brands are
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Fwilamosky
10-26-2012, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure of the law but it says:
Any combination of vehicles with a combined gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds;

Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating that is not in excess of 10,000 pounds;

Even if I'm not towing 10,000, although the trailer states that it can does that mean i need a cdl?

jones68
10-26-2012, 06:56 PM
That is the way I understand it 10,000 gvw trailer with 10,500 on it your over weight 10,001 gvw empty your out if class need a cdl
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beano
10-27-2012, 12:01 PM
18ft for sure. I have a 18ft enclosed and when i had a "36in walk behind, a 48"in walk behind and a "48 rider, it was perfect and left about a foot on the end. I now have a "36 and a "60in walk-behind and a "60 rider and they only fit if i put the walk behinds in the front and the rider on the rear. If it switch it up, i cant get the door closed.

mowcrazy
10-28-2012, 10:54 PM
I am upgrading to an enclosed next year and going with an 18ft which will fit my 48in turf tracer and 2 scag tiger cats.

Hey keep in mind you can get an enclosed 16ftr and this will work for you also. All you have to do is move the rear bumper forward on the tiger cats to get them in.

I have your exact setup, 48" metro with 2 scag 61" tiger cats. And yes your can move the pumpers forward. I went from not being able to even get close to closing the gate to having about an inch and a half between rear bumper and closed gate.

That is with exmark pulled straight to front, then the 2 scags piggy backed behing the exmark. Fits perfect and no need to strap stuff because it fits so snug.

The way to move the bumpers is to take the rear plate (saids scag) off first. Then each arm that connects to frame down my wheel motors with bolts can be moved forward approx 3" or so. There are already holes there. Move each side then attach rear plate back on last. The only thing you will have to do is leave the middle bottom bolt out on the rear bumper because the bolt will hit the muffler.

It doesnt look possible but trust me it is.

Also, you would be surprised how much room you can get out of tweaking the foot place on them with a BFH (big freakin hammer) because that is what the rear scag touches first when piggy backing to the other tiger cat....

Fwilamosky
10-29-2012, 11:21 AM
Yeah it's also funny to see how other people configure their trailers. I also thought about having a dump from the seat bagger and then backing it all the way and having it over hang on the front
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Duffster
10-29-2012, 11:37 PM
I haven't looked at that brand much to know the specs of the frame cross members and such. I know that here if you have a trailer with a gvw of over 10,001 lbs you need a CDL
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No you don't.

Look it up again and read it this time.

Duffster
10-29-2012, 11:39 PM
That is the way I understand it 10,000 gvw trailer with 10,500 on it your over weight 10,001 gvw empty your out if class need a cdl
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Do you understand the difference between GVW and GVWR?

jones68
10-29-2012, 11:42 PM
Yes I should have specified gvwR I apologize to you
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jones68
10-29-2012, 11:47 PM
As per the md handbook
"For the purposes of the CDL requirement in Maryland, a "commercial motor vehicle" (CMV) means:
1. A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more;
2. A combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more if the GVWR of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds"



Gvwr of vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds
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Duffster
10-30-2012, 07:35 AM
As per the md handbook
"For the purposes of the CDL requirement in Maryland, a "commercial motor vehicle" (CMV) means:
1. A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more;
2. A combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more if the GVWR of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds"



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IF. :hammerhead:

Read it again. This time read the whole thing.

Duffster
10-30-2012, 07:36 AM
Yes I should have specified gvwR I apologize to you
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Can you show us one thing that says that being over GVWR would require a CDL?

jones68
10-30-2012, 08:16 AM
I have no problem admitting if I am wrong but I read the last sentence if the vehicle being towed has a gvwr of more than 10,000 if I am wrong then I apologize and would appreciate an explanation please
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Duffster
10-30-2012, 10:48 PM
I have no problem admitting if I am wrong but I read the last sentence if the vehicle being towed has a gvwr of more than 10,000 if I am wrong then I apologize and would appreciate an explanation please
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The over 10k trailer doesn't come into play until the combined GVWR is over 26k.

Abreviated:
"A combination of 26,001 pounds or more if the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds"

You can't just read half the statement.

Now this is all based on GVWR, not GVW. So see how having a trailer, or truck, overloaded would make no difference in wether or not it needs a CDL?

jones68
10-30-2012, 11:04 PM
Well thank you for pointing that out too me I greatly appreciate it. I apologize to everyone for making a false statement earlier in this thread.
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B&M
11-02-2012, 02:38 AM
Unless you run a very tight route (areas with townhouses and small streets) I would go with an 18ft you will find a use for the extra space. Just for reference I can fit a 21 push mower, a 36 walk behind, and two 52 procats on a 16ft open trailer but its very very tight.

Fwilamosky
11-05-2012, 11:18 AM
yeah I know how much I can fit on a 16', but when I throw on a bagger next year on ztr then it won't fit on a 16'. I need to be able to fit 21, 36 wb, 48 wb, and 61 ztr with bagger too. so I'm leaning toward an 18'.