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ed2hess
11-01-2012, 07:32 PM
I am starting to get interested in welding. I got a flyer today about this welder what do you think? This is just a learn to weld thing right now.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200403263_200403263?cm_mmc=Housefile-_-WELDING110112-_-110112phonecon-_-P3&cm_lm=ed@hesslawns.com&state=TX&hotline=HE&marketcode=AUS

larryinalabama
11-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Im planning to get one of these..

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100670934/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=welder&storeId=10051

Everyone I talk to says those "cheap" welders wont last and dont weld much more than a beercan.

shovelracer
11-01-2012, 08:09 PM
I guess the question is what do you intend to weld? That lincoln is a good machine. I would not recommend anything smaller that a 140. That will weld anything from sheet metal to trailer gates. I'm a hobart guy myself but lincoln tips are easier to come by around here.

nepatsfan
11-01-2012, 08:41 PM
I agree with shovelracer, I wouldn't buy anything smaller than that 140. I would make sure you can get something capable of using gas with.

jsslawncare
11-01-2012, 08:56 PM
You get what you pay for. The ground champ doesn't look the great. But good luck.

larryinalabama
11-01-2012, 08:59 PM
I agree with shovelracer, I wouldn't buy anything smaller than that 140. I would make sure you can get something capable of using gas with.

The Lincoln 140 can be used with or with out gas.

nepatsfan
11-01-2012, 08:59 PM
The Lincoln 140 can be used with or with out gas.

and I agree with shovelracer... and you- personally i would go with a 220 vs. 110 if you have the capabilies but definitely something with gas such as the 140

ed2hess
11-01-2012, 09:00 PM
I guess the question is what do you intend to weld? That lincoln is a good machine. I would not recommend anything smaller that a 140. That will weld anything from sheet metal to trailer gates. I'm a hobart guy myself but lincoln tips are easier to come by around here.

Is 140 the amps?

Patriot Services
11-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Here's the real problem with those machines. When you have to do more than a few inches of bead it will heat up and trip its own breaker. Then it won't work until it cools down. The duty cycle is stupid short on them. IMO you can't beat a Lincoln225 ac\dc stick welder for welding everything from sheet up to 1/4 inch angle. Takes a little practice to do good welding. CL is full of them for 150 with accessories. Mine is 30 years old and works like new.
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nepatsfan
11-01-2012, 09:05 PM
Is 140 the amps?

yes........

larryinalabama
11-01-2012, 09:07 PM
Here's the real problem with those machines. When you have to do more than a few inches of bead it will heat up and trip its own breaker. Then it won't work until it cools down. The duty cycle is stupid short on them. IMO you can't beat a Lincoln225 ac\dc stick welder for welding everything from sheet up to 1/4 inch angle. Takes a little practice to do good welding. CL is full of them for 150 with accessories. Mine is 30 years old and works like new.
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I was going to get a wire welder to "learn", I plan to get a stick welder if necessary later on.

Patriot Services
11-01-2012, 09:10 PM
I was going to get a wire welder to "learn", I plan to get a stick welder if necessary later on.

Two very different techniques. The wire feeds don't give the best penetration or allow for puddle control. They are great for thin sheet though.
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DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
11-01-2012, 09:31 PM
Not a big fan of flux core wire. You are better off getting a gas fed welder, just mmy opinion.
Goo dluckk with your purchase.
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cgaengineer
11-01-2012, 09:34 PM
Here's the real problem with those machines. When you have to do more than a few inches of bead it will heat up and trip its own breaker. Then it won't work until it cools down. The duty cycle is stupid short on them. IMO you can't beat a Lincoln225 ac\dc stick welder for welding everything from sheet up to 1/4 inch angle. Takes a little practice to do good welding. CL is full of them for 150 with accessories. Mine is 30 years old and works like new.
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I agree. The buzz box is the best first welder for anyone.
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agrostis
11-01-2012, 10:08 PM
Here's the real problem with those machines. When you have to do more than a few inches of bead it will heat up and trip its own breaker. Then it won't work until it cools down. The duty cycle is stupid short on them. IMO you can't beat a Lincoln225 ac\dc stick welder for welding everything from sheet up to 1/4 inch angle. Takes a little practice to do good welding. CL is full of them for 150 with accessories. Mine is 30 years old and works like new.
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Yeah, that northern hydraulic's machine has a 20% duty cycle. I think that mean's it's only good for 12 minute's a hour ?

ed2hess
11-01-2012, 10:25 PM
I agree. The buzz box is the best first welder for anyone.
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Is this what your talking about? So I would need 220V and how many amps
since it rates 40 to 225amps? I don't have that kind of power at a residential home...after have a big AC.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-AC-225-K1170-4-Stick-Welder-230V-arc-buzz-box-/140862983513?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item20cc168d59

knox gsl
11-01-2012, 10:55 PM
Is this what your talking about? So I would need 220V and how many amps
since it rates 40 to 225amps? I don't have that kind of power at a residential home...after have a big AC.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-AC-225-K1170-4-Stick-Welder-230V-arc-buzz-box-/140862983513?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item20cc168d59

You will need a 50amp 220 volt outlet. I learned to weld with one of these and suck with a wirefeed. It will take some practice and keep the sticks dry.

TNGrassCutter
11-01-2012, 11:50 PM
I can do pretty good with my flux cord, it tends to blow through really thin stuff easily though. Its a little more messy than a gas mig welder, little more splatter. But its all I need just to piddle with.
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cgaengineer
11-02-2012, 07:08 AM
Is this what your talking about? So I would need 220V and how many amps
since it rates 40 to 225amps? I don't have that kind of power at a residential home...after have a big AC.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-AC-225-K1170-4-Stick-Welder-230V-arc-buzz-box-/140862983513?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item20cc168d59

Surely you have enough room in your breaker box for another 50 amp breaker.

Not sure you will be really happy with the burn-in of a small wire feed welder unless working with really thin metal. And yes, your eBay link is the exact welder we have.
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larryinalabama
11-02-2012, 10:19 AM
Is this what your talking about? So I would need 220V and how many amps
since it rates 40 to 225amps? I don't have that kind of power at a residential home...after have a big AC.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-AC-225-K1170-4-Stick-Welder-230V-arc-buzz-box-/140862983513?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item20cc168d59

Doesnt Home Depoit have the same thing new for 300$?

It should plug into your clothes dryer plug

FryDaddy
11-02-2012, 11:00 AM
I have that northern tool welder for about a year, brought it to play around practice. If all you plan on welding is steel, it should be ok. You can take that cheap welder & make multiple passes and weld thick steel as long as you bevel the edges. The 140 Lincoln is better cause you can use gas (but you have to get tanks). As said by others, if you can afford a 220 volt it would be best.
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Patriot Services
11-02-2012, 11:20 AM
Doesnt Home Depoit have the same thing new for 300$?

It should plug into your clothes dryer plug

It does use the same plug however most are a pain to get to and not near where you are working. An electrician can put one in for about 50 bucks. I have one next to the braker box in the garage and I made a 50ft extension cord.:usflag:

macgyver_GA
11-02-2012, 11:21 AM
Get one that you can use gas.

Last year, I bought a Clarke 160 MIG off of amazon for $370 shipped with the gas regulator kit so I can add gas. It's kind of midway between a cheap HF welder and a Lincoln both price wise and quality. It's a 220V model. I wired up a 220V outlet in my garage right next to my breaker panel. Also, bought 15' of 10/3 extension cord to replace the factory cord so I can use it out in my driveway if I'm welding with fluxcore wire.

It uses TWECO tips (same as the lincoln) that can be purchased pretty much anywhere that sells welding stuff (HD & Lowes included).

I've used it a few times for various projects and it works just fine for how often I use it.

Here's a pic when I was welding the rock sliders on my Tacoma.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-04-01143907.jpg

Welding a mount for my backpack blower on my trailer.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-08-05174030.jpg

Here's a shot of the 220V outlet I added under my breaker panel in the garage. Cost me about $35 in parts (male plug for the cord, receptacle, wall box, wire, and a breaker)
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-01-28185413.jpg

The reason it says "welder only" is because it's wired differently than the way your dryer or oven would be wired.

ed2hess
11-02-2012, 08:23 PM
Get one that you can use gas.

Last year, I bought a Clarke 160 MIG off of amazon for $370 shipped with the gas regulator kit so I can add gas. It's kind of midway between a cheap HF welder and a Lincoln both price wise and quality. It's a 220V model. I wired up a 220V outlet in my garage right next to my breaker panel. Also, bought 15' of 10/3 extension cord to replace the factory cord so I can use it out in my driveway if I'm welding with fluxcore wire.

It uses TWECO tips (same as the lincoln) that can be purchased pretty much anywhere that sells welding stuff (HD & Lowes included).

I've used it a few times for various projects and it works just fine for how often I use it.

Here's a pic when I was welding the rock sliders on my Tacoma.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-04-01143907.jpg

Welding a mount for my backpack blower on my trailer.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-08-05174030.jpg

Here's a shot of the 220V outlet I added under my breaker panel in the garage. Cost me about $35 in parts (male plug for the cord, receptacle, wall box, wire, and a breaker)
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/brad_macgyver/2012-01-28185413.jpg

The reason it says "welder only" is because it's wired differently than the way your dryer or oven would be wired.

Can you tell me which brand your welder is....can't see it well. And interesting my first project will be to mount something for a blower. Is your rack for back pack or handheld? Likes like I will have to go 220V for sure but that is not a problem.

Patriot Services
11-02-2012, 08:35 PM
That's a Clarke. Not a bad mid price welder. The rack is for a backpack blower. 220v is the only way to go. 115v welders can barely weld foil. My next shop toy will be a plasma cutter. Tired of torch cutting. Gotta love tools.
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cgaengineer
11-02-2012, 09:17 PM
That's a Clarke. Not a bad mid price welder. The rack is for a backpack blower. 220v is the only way to go. 115v welders can barely weld foil. My next shop toy will be a plasma cutter. Tired of torch cutting. Gotta love tools.
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I agree...it takes heat to weld.
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cgaengineer
11-02-2012, 09:18 PM
If you have a generator that's 5000 watts you should be able to plug welder into that easily.
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larryinalabama
11-02-2012, 09:21 PM
If you have a generator that's 5000 watts you should be able to plug welder into that easily.
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I was also considering a welder gnerator.

cgaengineer
11-02-2012, 11:01 PM
I was also considering a welder gnerator.

The gen is for my house, but powers gen too...good to keep it running anyway.
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ed2hess
11-03-2012, 05:38 PM
This guy was building a steel based fence in one of our HOA areas. I stopped and talked to him and he had not used welder before this project. Said he did a lot of grinding to get joint to look ok.

Patriot Services
11-03-2012, 06:17 PM
Sadly all the grinding to make it pretty does nothing for the integrity of the weld. A proper weld doesn't need a grinder to look good.
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cgaengineer
11-03-2012, 06:39 PM
Sadly all the grinding to make it pretty does nothing for the integrity of the weld. A proper weld doesn't need a grinder to look good.
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Nope, in fact...I've seen more pretty welds fail.
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macgyver_GA
11-04-2012, 02:30 PM
Can you tell me which brand your welder is....can't see it well. And interesting my first project will be to mount something for a blower. Is your rack for back pack or handheld? Likes like I will have to go 220V for sure but that is not a problem.

That's a Clarke. Not a bad mid price welder. The rack is for a backpack blower. 220v is the only way to go. 115v welders can barely weld foil. My next shop toy will be a plasma cutter. Tired of torch cutting. Gotta love tools.
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Thanks Patriot. Yep, it's a Clarke 160EN 220V MIG. I figured I would go ahead and buy a 220V just to be able to weld thicker steel if I needed to. I still haven't picked up a bottle for it yet, all my projects so far have been with flux core. I hear it's much nicer welding with gas (obviously cleaner than flux core).

cpllawncare
11-04-2012, 06:46 PM
Welding is a great skill to have, just wouldn't want to do it for a living.

die4irish
11-05-2012, 05:27 PM
I have welded all my life. my dad was a shop welder and taught me as a kid. saying that.

If it don't run off of 220 it aint worth a crap.

cgaengineer
11-05-2012, 06:56 PM
I have welded all my life. my dad was a shop welder and taught me as a kid. saying that.

If it don't run off of 220 it aint worth a crap.

Unless all you want to weld is foil like another poster said.
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LindblomRJ
11-05-2012, 09:09 PM
If you're wanting to start out welding I'd suggest a Hobart Handler 140. It is a good way to learn the basics of welding. Hobarts are the consumer line from Miller welders.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200306073_200306073

It would be worth while to spend the extra money and get this model. It can run on either 120 or 240. 240 volts is the better option.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200479230_200479230

As far as brands, I'd stay with Hobart. I have a handler 134 for 8 years and it is a very good machine. I wish I'd have a 220 volt. It will handle flux core and gas with ease.