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minx
11-04-2012, 08:08 PM
What do people pay their workers.. Not foreman, straight forward laborers..
Has anyone salaried their foreman.. If so, what kind of ball park...
Do those with a crew.. Do you pay workers,
From arrival at the shop
From leaving the shop
From arrival on the first job.
And on the return leg, do you pay from end of the job
or arrival back at the shop

I pay $9 per hour labour. Pay from arrival at the shop until return to the shop..... However, I am concerned at the time lag from arrival to first cut.. So am considering a change of policy.
I am about to create my 1st supervisor role and guidance on hourly rate or salary would be helpful.. Thanks :drinkup:

Patriot Services
11-05-2012, 05:07 PM
Once they are in your vehicle you have to pay them. Waiting until first stop is a no-no to the labor board. I run three 2 man crews. One is a lead man, the other an operator. I or the wife jump in on larger jobs or sick calls. Leads are paid 13, operators start at 10. I seem to be a little higher than most in Tampa, but these are either family or friends of family.
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minx
11-05-2012, 05:20 PM
Two of the largest operators round here pay from picking up the equipment... Even driving some round for hours to a job.. But not paying until on site, So thanks for the info.. Guess I stay as I am, and get them on site quicker!
I was considering pay rises, going into quiet time. Minx

C Jovingo Landscaping
11-05-2012, 05:26 PM
Leagally salaried employees must have some kind of administrative duty with several employees under their supervision, as far as I know.
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Patriot Services
11-05-2012, 05:38 PM
Just because a big company does it doesn't mean its right. They may bet on the fact that the employees don't know any better or have legal issues they can hold over them. Salary can cost you more in the slow season than paying hourly.
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Ric
11-05-2012, 06:25 PM
IMHO At $ 9.00 an Hour you should being paying them from the Time they wake up in the morning to get ready to go to work. How anyone can live on that kind of money is be on me. I bet I could collect aluminum cans and make more money.

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Weekend cut easymoney
11-05-2012, 07:18 PM
No skill labor...the pay should fit the skill ....cost of living is secondary...experience and employee retention will make the wage go up ...quality of work and loyalty command more in my book
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minx
11-05-2012, 07:22 PM
They are on trainee pay.. others are on 11.25.. My trainees are again on more than the big boys I mentioned.... One had a supervisor on 9.50....... so I definitely know, just because they're large doesn't make them right. I just didn't want to get it wrong myself. Mine are just verrrrry slow getting from the shop to the first cut.. It should take no more than 20 mins and they're taking up to 45 mins. I need to sharpen them up... And that's after they've done 30 mins morning maintenance..
I was thinking around $13 for a supervisor.. I may need a manager/ supervisor, as I may not be well enough in the coming months to cover some of t on my own..s I was thinking (toying with) salaring a manager to some admin scheduling but with some shop work ( maintenance) and exercising some quality control/ supervision.

timturf
11-05-2012, 07:23 PM
IMHO At $ 9.00 an Hour you should being paying them from the Time they wake up in the morning to get ready to go to work. How anyone can live on that kind of money is be on me. I bet I could collect aluminum cans and make more money.

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Generally get what you pay for.

Those cheap working employees cost you alot more than you think

ric......pm me

RoyalTree
11-06-2012, 12:13 AM
Where do you guys get any employee worth a darn for 9.00? Labor starts with us at 14.00 as the min. The high end is in the high 20's but this is for the tree guys.

We have plenty of gov work that req living wage salary.

You really get what you pay for. If they cant live on what you pay them what kind of employees are you hiring?
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SRT8
11-06-2012, 12:22 AM
Where do you guys get any employee worth a darn for 9.00? Labor starts with us at 14.00 as the min. The high end is in the high 20's but this is for the tree guys.

We have plenty of gov work that req living wage salary.

You really get what you pay for. If they cant live on what you pay them what kind of employees are you hiring?
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Tree care and Lawn care are two completely different businesses with two completely different profit margins. Overhead for a tree company is really high so you have to charge a lot And you require employees with a lot more skill.
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RoyalTree
11-06-2012, 12:24 AM
Our lawn guys start at 14.00.

We have lawn and tree crews and some guys that float back and fourth as business dictates.
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SRT8
11-06-2012, 12:30 AM
Isnt that a pain in the butt with workers comp? Reporting 8 hours one day to cut trees and then 8 hours another day to mow lawns?
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minx
11-06-2012, 05:04 AM
Maybe I should have phrased it better.. I pay FROM $9 these are my new starters and trainees..
Others $11.25 to 11.75. Which in my area is way way above average.
3 large commercial firms are paying $8 labor and $9.50 for a crew leader.. And the workers get haphazard hours.
I guarantee mine winter hours, they just sack half the work force in fall. (I know as the workers are knocking on my door asking for work)
Many contracts in this area for lawns are $55 to $75 per Month. ( for 4-5 cuts! In summer) Well below other areas, because of cut throat management companies. Residents don't understand ( or maybe they do!) the meaning of annual contracts.. And defect in fall.. Non payment is hugely on the rise, owners or tenants abandoning properties without letting us or pool guys know.. So we continue service until we realise perhaps 30-60 days later we aint getting paid. non payment on mine has doubled in 12 months, and I've tightened up the best possible. Many commercial contracts are getting non viable, large firms putting in low ball bids.. Off the back of paying a non living wage...
I pay a loyalty bonus twice a year to those who have performed well. yet I have had to sack staff for theft of company property or turning up drugged up... It Is getting hard to make a living in central Florida.
I have friends on the coast who can command more and can pay more, but whilst the big guys offer peanuts for contracts and pay workers peanuts, we will struggle to compete
and whilst there are droves of illegal and cash in hand rigs going round, the average small business is being hurt.
This led me to wonder what other small to medium firms were paying and if I hire a manager / supervisor what I should be looking to pay.

Ric
11-06-2012, 09:28 AM
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Ten years ago when I was in Business I paid $ 12.50 to start. But I was hand picking my crew because I paid better. The idea is to have employees who VALUE their job. They have better attitudes and work ethic.

The easiest way to build account in the lawn mowing business is to do outstanding work, it sells it's self. Diagonal cutting or stripping and clean edges that aren't scalped etc. Of course nothing sells quicker than Dark Green Weed Free Lawns. Not only does quality sell it's self, it sells at a higher price and to customers who won't leave you for the $ 5.00 cheaper guy.


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minx
11-06-2012, 12:55 PM
That's my aim ric... Doing it one yard or one small commercial at a time.....but when you advertise... You get 300 responses, 10 may have experience of which 6 lie...and 4 don't turn up... The pick of the bunch starts, and is fatigued by 11 a.m and doesn't show the next day, then you start all over again...
Getting anyone to stripe is my fantasy...
The ones I have are solid, but I feel we still lack a little more experience/ knowledge. Got the guys on some training workshops to increase knowledge and expertise. I pay for their time and the course.l I am trying!,, lol
We do have a high end crew.. They're great... But they're booked solid.. Always on overtime... Wish I could clone them.. They just love gardening..

Patriot Services
11-06-2012, 01:03 PM
My guys are fine with their pay. They average 50-60 hours six months and 40 the other six. We are closed christmas and thanksgiving week with pay. I've never laid them off. All but one is taking college classes. Not a bad gig for 19 to 25 year olds. They do great work and I don't have to follow them around. Plus they get a christmas bonus and publix gift card at thanksgiving.
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lawncuttinfoo
11-23-2012, 06:54 PM
My guys are fine with their pay. They average 50-60 hours six months and 40 the other six. We are closed christmas and thanksgiving week with pay. I've never laid them off. All but one is taking college classes. Not a bad gig for 19 to 25 year olds. They do great work and I don't have to follow them around. Plus they get a christmas bonus and publix gift card at thanksgiving.
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So you are paying time and a half for the overtime?


We start at $10 with no skills, $12 after three months. Will be going to $14 next year.

Met a 20 year vet with some smallish company this year. He was making $26 per hour.

Patriot Services
11-23-2012, 07:05 PM
Absolutely, its the law, not an option. I take a minimum salary all year and then quaterly bonus and funding of my sepira.
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jvanvliet
11-24-2012, 08:30 AM
$8.50 to $12.50 an hour depending on skill set and responsibility. That's still above starting pay for many corporations regardless of the comments here.

IMHO: if most people were paying the dollars mentioned, there'd be a dirge of labor available.