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Nutsedge
11-06-2012, 04:41 AM
I searched the web as I figured someone would have asked this before. Couldn't find squat. I'm certian the Honda is a champion trimmer but I'm not so sure about the husky. It seems as if their stuff lately has been pretty user friendly and overall just designed well.

Since they have the same heart (Honda GX25), which is better and why?

The Honda is ~$350 new and the Husky is ~$330.

Or for a homeowner would getting the 35cc Honda trimmer make more sense for only $30 more?

I'm currently using a 30cc 2 stroke John Deere (Homelite) s1400. I've had it for 7+ years and its really been an amazing trimmer. It starts 2nd-3rd pull every time and I think it has a ton of power. I briefly owned a poulan pro 25cc 2 stroke trimmer (bought off Craigslist to have something to mess with/take apart to see what makes these little 2 stroke engines run but ended up fixing it and reselling it on the list. But that thing was absolutely horrible.

So what can you tell me?
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RAlmaroad
11-06-2012, 04:51 AM
I've had Huskys (3 straight shafts), a very long time. Very dependable and easy to start. Just use the NON-Ethanol and a quality oil mix (50:1) and think ahead to a plastic flapper head i,f you'll be using it for any high weeds. If so, then go up a model or check online if a particular model will accommodate such head.

Nutsedge
11-06-2012, 05:10 AM
Unfortunately there is no Ethanol free gas in STL, every station is at 15%. I use stabil and don't use large enough tanks to allow fort fuel to sit for longer than 4-6 weeks even though its treated.

I will be using it 99% of the time at my home where I have no tall grasses/weeds to cut. Maybe once a year I would take it to my wife's family farm to do some heavier trimming but that's a big maybe (they got equipment down there).

Maybe I should be asking what the power of the 25cc four stroke Honda motor felt like in comparison to 30cc 2 stroke trimmers?

I have never been let down by my s1400 and can only think that that Honda/husky though down 5cc's would still have to vw more powerful?
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IS500Z
11-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Both are good units and will give you years of service. The Honda is a 4-stroke so you will not need to mix oil and gas. The downside of the Honda is it is heavier than a comparable two stroke unit.

Brules
11-06-2012, 03:10 PM
For a homeowner, unless you are clearing thick pasture brush lol - I would go down to the Husqy 223L. It is lighter, less $, just as good a trimmer and a long lasting, reliable 2 stroke.

I have an Echo SRM 225 which is comparable to the Husqy, and it is plenty of trimmer for just about anyone....even LCO's use them for trimming.

Why spend an extra $100 for a heavier unit if you don't have to.

Nutsedge
11-06-2012, 06:43 PM
For a homeowner, unless you are clearing thick pasture brush lol - I would go down to the Husqy 223L. It is lighter, less $, just as good a trimmer and a long lasting, reliable 2 stroke.

I have an Echo SRM 225 which is comparable to the Husqy, and it is plenty of trimmer for just about anyone....even LCO's use them for trimming.

Why spend an extra $100 for a heavier unit if you don't have to.

I'm certain the 223L would be a great machine but I really want the 4 stroke engine. I will probably try to go to HD this Thursday to see if I can get the HHT25 and the 224L in my hands to see the differences in feel/options are.

Brules
11-06-2012, 09:38 PM
Why the 4 stroke? Any particular reason....? The 2 stroke will outlast the 4 stroke by a long shot.

Nutsedge
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
What leads you to believe that? Four strokes run at a lower rpm hence lower temps and the oiling system in a four stroke allows for much better lubrication.

I have actually never read that 2 strokes last longer and actually that four strokes across the board last much longer.

Then their is the torque of the four stroke and the overall increased efficiency the combustion process promotes.
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Brules
11-07-2012, 12:01 AM
Every 4 stroke piece I have ever owned has died a terrible death. Never with a 2 stroke. The rule of a 4 stroke lasting longer generally is true, if properly maintained with oil changes. 2 stroke never needs that and as long as you use a quality high temp mix oil, it should a homeowner 10 years or more.

Plus the 4 strokes are heavier and don't wind up power wise as fast.

IS500Z
11-07-2012, 07:24 PM
Isn't proper maintenance always a prerequisite to equipment longevity? I do not think changing oil in a 4-stroke engine routinely is any more difficult than making a 2T mix with the proper oil level.

chuacro
11-08-2012, 01:38 AM
I bought a Husky 223 5 years ago and use it on 25 lawns a week. I had to replace a $10 part on the pull assembly this year and runs like new. I think it is the best residential trimmer before going commercial out there.

dboyd351
11-14-2012, 10:17 PM
What leads you to believe that? Four strokes run at a lower rpm hence lower temps and the oiling system in a four stroke allows for much better lubrication.

I have actually never read that 2 strokes last longer and actually that four strokes across the board last much longer.

Then their is the torque of the four stroke and the overall increased efficiency the combustion process promotes.
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That's all great in theory, but maybe you should ask why there are NO commercial operators using 4 strokes.

IS500Z
11-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Really? No commercial operators use Stihl's 4-mix products, which is a 4-stroke engine sans the oil sump, or any of the Dolmar 4-strokes? Posts in this forum would seem to say the opposite for, at least, the former.

Brules
11-14-2012, 11:08 PM
That's all great in theory, but maybe you should ask why there are NO commercial operators using 4 strokes.

They use the dog out of them....the Stihl 600 magnum blower is one of the most popular out there.

dboyd351
11-14-2012, 11:24 PM
The 4 mix isn't exactly a traditional 4 stroke like the honda trimmer he is referring to and the BR600 is a blower, not a trimmer. I'll stand by what I said - virtually nobody uses a traditional 4 stroke trimmer like the Honda he is referring to.

This is his point: "Four strokes run at a lower rpm hence lower temps and the oiling system in a four stroke allows for much better lubrication."

4 mixes are more like a 2 stroke in that regard than a 4 stroke. 4 mixes use oil in the gas, not a pressure fed, sump based separate oiling system like he was referring to in the Honda.

Nutsedge
11-14-2012, 11:36 PM
The 4 mix isn't exactly a traditional 4 stroke like the honda trimmer he is referring to and the BR600 is a blower, not a trimmer. I'll stand by what I said - virtually nobody uses a traditional 4 stroke trimmer like the Honda he is referring to.

This is his point: "Four strokes run at a lower rpm hence lower temps and the oiling system in a four stroke allows for much better lubrication."

4 mixes are more like a 2 stroke in that regard than a 4 stroke. 4 mixes use oil in the gas, not a pressure fed, sump based separate oiling system like he was referring to in the Honda.

I think you may be a bit confused or perhaps ignorant on the subject at hand here.

What would you say makes a piece of equipment a 4 stroke, that the oil-gas is mixed or that the piston has four cycles to its combustion process?

Cause from the sound of it, I think you believe the prior.

I can think of two chief reason some folks still use 2 stroke stuff. One is that they don't need to change oil and since the operators/workers in a LCO don't pay for the equipment their using they don't adhere to strict maint regimens. Two, four strokes seem to be a bit more expensive to purchase.
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IS500Z
11-15-2012, 09:44 AM
The 4 mix isn't exactly a traditional 4 stroke like the honda trimmer he is referring to and the BR600 is a blower, not a trimmer. I'll stand by what I said - virtually nobody uses a traditional 4 stroke trimmer like the Honda he is referring to.

This is his point: "Four strokes run at a lower rpm hence lower temps and the oiling system in a four stroke allows for much better lubrication."

4 mixes are more like a 2 stroke in that regard than a 4 stroke. 4 mixes use oil in the gas, not a pressure fed, sump based separate oiling system like he was referring to in the Honda.

The 4-mix is indeed a 4-stroke engine and full fills the first part of his statement. The oil delivery system is not relevant to that point. In terms of trimmers that use a separate oil delivery system I believe Honda and Dolmar are the main brands. Honda is relatively expensive and heavy compared to a two stroke and Dolmar suffers from a good distribution network. Perhaps there are other factors involved than the reliability or performance of 4-stroke motors in trimmers? At any point I disagree with you that the 4-mix is more like a 2T engine. Stihl's own literature points out that it is a 4-stroke motor different from the usual design in that it eliminates a sump for the oil so the engine can be run in various positions.

Darryl G
11-15-2012, 10:00 AM
I'd stick with a 2 stroke trimmer. I have the Husky 323 which is the same as the 223 except it has a solid shaft. Very light, good power, starts easily and ready to work right away.

Nutsedge
11-20-2012, 06:53 AM
I'd stick with a 2 stroke trimmer. I have the Husky 323 which is the same as the 223 except it has a solid shaft. Very light, good power, starts easily and ready to work right away.

Do you have any experenced with a 4 stroke piece of lawn equipment?
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Brules
11-20-2012, 02:06 PM
Stick with 2 stroke, they are lighter and less complex, Stihl has issues with their 4 mix engines (you WILL have to have the valves adjusted over the life of any of their 4 mix equipment).

IS500Z
11-20-2012, 05:26 PM
I have several pieces using Stihl's 4-mix engine and have never had a problems with any of them. The valve adjustment is over stated. A typically home owner may never have to do it. When it needs to be done it is so easy even a lawyer can do it.

Darryl G
11-20-2012, 08:23 PM
Do you have any experenced with a 4 stroke piece of lawn equipment?
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Sorry I don't know what experenced is. Regardless, I don't think I need any to make the statement I did :p

Nutsedge
11-26-2012, 11:55 AM
Sorry I don't know what experenced is. Regardless, I don't think I need any to make the statement I did :p

A comment like yours posted by someone who had owned a 2 and 4 stroke trimmer would have just left a more prominent impression with me. Yours still matters but you have nothing to to compare your experience with.

Darryl G
11-26-2012, 06:58 PM
OK...I do have a 4-mix Shindaiwa trimmer, but no conventional 4 stroke ones. I like my 323 because it's really light, well balanced and powerful...2 pounds may not sound like much but to me it is for a trimmer. The 323 is smaller, lighter, cheaper and has more horse power. The 224 is likely quiter.

Nutsedge
11-27-2012, 04:35 AM
Here is some power output ratings I have found for similarly priced trimmers.

HHT25SLTA (GX25 25cc 4 stroke) $349

1hp @ 7000 rpm
0.74ftlb @ 5000 rpm

HHT35SLTA (GX35 35cc 4 stroke) $379

1.3 hp @ 7000 rpm
1.2 ft/lb @ 5500 rpm

Husqvarna 224L (25cc four stroke, Honda motor the GX25) $349

1.07 hp @ 7000 rpm
no TQ ratings on Huskys site

Husqvarna 327LS (24.5cc 2 stroke) $339

1.2 hp @ 8400 rpm
.88 ft/lb @ 6000rpm

Husqvarna 327LDx (24.5cc 2 stroke) $399

1.2 hp @ 8400 rpm
.88 ft/lb @ 6000 rpm

Echo srm 266s (25.4cc 2 stroke) $339

Echo doesnt give any numbers on hp or tq

Echo SRM 280 (28.1cc 2 stroke) $369

Same as above, no info but I have emailed Echo...

Stihl FS90R (28.4cc 4-mix, 4 stroke combustion process but runs on oil/gas mixed fuel) $319

1.27 hp @ ? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm

Stihl FS 110R (31.4 cc 4-mix) $369

1.4 hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm

RedMax BCZ2401S (23.6cc strato charged 2 stroke) $339

1.14 hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm

RedMax BCZ2650S (25.4cc SC 2 stroke) $399

1.2 hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm

Shindaiwa T242 (23.9cc 2 stroke) $299

??? hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm I have emails sent to the appropriate sources to hopefully obtain this info.

Shindy T254 (24.5cc Hybrid 4, sounds like the same as the Stihl 4 mix) $339

??? hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm (same as above)

Shindy T282 (28.8cc 2 stroke) $399

??? hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm (same as above)

Shindy T344 (34cc Hybrid 4) $399

??? hp @ ???? rpm

??? tq @ ???? rpm (same as above)



Just for S&G's!

Stihl FS 250R (40.2cc 2 stroke) $549, holy S!!!

2.15 hp @ ???? rpm WOW!!!

??? tq @ ???? rpm

I have A LOT of emails sent out to the above mentioned brands in hopes of getting much more detailed info for the engines of the respective machines. Ill post up what I get as I get it!

Nutsedge
11-27-2012, 12:48 PM
I wonder whu Honda and Husky are so liberal with their power ratings and the other companies seem to be trying to keep the specifics out of the light...?

I'm not serious but I think info like this is pretty darn important not just for efficiency/effectiveness but also and most important, bragging rights!

I haven't heard from any of the places I emailed last night as of yet FYI. I sent out 6 emails to the actual manufacturers (Stihl/Redmax/etc) but also a few to the dealers too. We shall see what happens.

Nutsedge
11-27-2012, 06:34 PM
A Stihl Dealer in my area, Erb Equipment was the first to respond to my inquiry.

Red typing indicates the info that was gleaned from the Stihl dealer.

Stihl fs90r 28.8cc 4-mix

1.27 hp @ 7000 rpm

1.13 ft/lb TQ @ 5500 rpm

Stihl fs110r 31.4cc 4-mix

1.34 hp @ 7000 rpm

Still no TQ numbers

Stihl fs250r 40.2cc two stroke

2.15 hp @ 9000 rpm

Still no TQ numbers

Ill post up the info as I get it.

crazyflyboy30
12-26-2012, 11:57 AM
I been useing Ryobi 4-Cycle 30cc Straight Shaft Gas Trimmer for years with no problems one is 7 years old but it geting hard to start and a nother one is 3 years old and have 2 brand new in the box so I don't know why I thinking of get a Honda 35 CC Straight Shaft Gas Trimmer P.S. I only use 4-cycle every thing.

crazyflyboy30
12-26-2012, 12:09 PM
Looking at the reviews on the Honda 35 CC it got 83 out of 83(100%)reviewers recommend this product and a Overall rating 4.9 / 5 that looks to me.The Ryobi 4-Cycle 30cc Straight Shaft Gas Trimmer got 53 out of 164(32%)reviewers recommend this product and Overall rating 2.2 / 5 But I have had no problem with my Ryobi 4-Cycle.

crazyflyboy30
01-31-2013, 03:28 PM
No more thinking I got the Husqvarna 224L it is AWESOME!!
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/trimmers/224l/