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cutbetterthanyou
11-08-2012, 06:27 PM
I was thinking about buying a 14k or 16k dump trailer. It seems that most compananys make the 14k, but when i see a 16k they say that they have 2
7k axles how is it a 16k trailer with only 14k worth of axles? Makes no sense, are they the same as a 14k but lie and sell them as 16k?http://www.texaspridetrailers.com/OSTD-DT-14K-BP-7X14X3-TANDEM-AXLE.htm

4 seasons lawn&land
11-08-2012, 07:26 PM
Some trailer manufacturers are starting to figure out that you can add tongue weight to the gvw. 14000 axles + 2000 on the hitch = 1 ton extra payload. Only prob is cdl reguirements.

cutbetterthanyou
11-08-2012, 09:23 PM
So can't u do the same wiith a 14k put 14k on the trailer and 2k on the truck? Or is it all in the way its registerd

4 seasons lawn&land
11-08-2012, 09:42 PM
good question. IDK. Must be the reg. I just know Cam has been doing this for years and the dealer says it so you can tow more.

Duffster
11-08-2012, 09:46 PM
I was thinking about buying a 14k or 16k dump trailer. It seems that most compananys make the 14k, but when i see a 16k they say that they have 2
7k axles how is it a 16k trailer with only 14k worth of axles? Makes no sense, are they the same as a 14k but lie and sell them as 16k?http://www.texaspridetrailers.com/OSTD-DT-14K-BP-7X14X3-TANDEM-AXLE.htm

The right way is to have the GVWR > sum GAWR.

GVWR = sum GAWR makes no sense.

Nodody is lieing.

Duffster
11-08-2012, 09:48 PM
So can't u do the same wiith a 14k put 14k on the trailer and 2k on the truck? Or is it all in the way its registerd

Wouldn't you be over GVWR that way?

4 seasons lawn&land
11-08-2012, 09:57 PM
depends. Do they consider that extra ton as part of the trailer or truck?

Duffster
11-09-2012, 06:15 AM
depends. Do they consider that extra ton as part of the trailer or truck?

GVWR is GVWR.

cutbetterthanyou
11-09-2012, 08:57 AM
Wouldn't you be over GVWR that way?

I have no clue it is confusing to me. The weight in me door jam is 9200 so i can put 16800 behind it.Right or wrong? I don't understand

MDLawn
11-09-2012, 10:30 AM
I have no clue it is confusing to me. The weight in me door jam is 9200 so i can put 16800 behind it.Right or wrong? I don't understand

To me this is a grey area. I'm sure it's against manufacturer recommendations but it's not listed on the door jamb either. Here is the other thing that I understand. A fully loaded 14-16k trailer will put 1400-1600lbs of tongue weight on the hitch following the 10% guideline. Is your hitch even capable of that? Will you be over your trucks GAWR with the trailer hooked and the bed full? I finally upped to a dually just to have more wiggle room in the GVWR and GAWR and have a truck that's actually rated to tow 14,100lbs. I also upgraded the hitch from the 2" 800lb tongue 8000lb weight carrying one to a 2 1/2" 2000lb tongue 18,000lb weight carrying one. This thing is an animal compared to the stock hitch. I may be a safety nerd but a 14k bumper pull is no joke of a trailer, especially fully loaded. I admit my trailer is not always loaded to that but when it was I'm glad I had the truck for it.

Duffster
11-10-2012, 07:08 PM
I have no clue it is confusing to me. The weight in me door jam is 9200 so i can put 16800 behind it.Right or wrong? I don't understand

Where did you get the 16,800 number?

If you put 14k on a 14k trailer plus 2k TW you are over GVWR period.

4 seasons lawn&land
11-10-2012, 08:19 PM
i think you try to confuse people. The trailer is the 16,800. And your truck should have a tow rating.

If you put 14 k on a 14 k trailer that has 2k TW added into the GVW then you are NOT over assuming the trailer weighs 2000 lbs or less. Most trailers that size weigh about 3000. My Cam has 7k axles and 2k TW added to the GVW so it has 16000 gvw. It weighs 2900 so I can put 13100 on it.

Duffster
11-10-2012, 09:31 PM
i think you try to confuse people. The trailer is the 16,800.

What trailer?

If you put 14 k on a 14 k trailer that has 2k TW added into the GVW then you are NOT over assuming the trailer weighs 2000 lbs or less. Most trailers that size weigh about 3000.

You're confusing GVW with GVWR.

When I say put 14k on the trailer i am considering EW to be included in that number.

My Cam has 7k axles and 2k TW added to the GVW so it has 16000 gvw. It weighs 2900 so I can put 13100 on it.

That doesn't maek any sense.

What is the stated GVWR of the trailer?

4 seasons lawn&land
11-10-2012, 09:34 PM
It is 16k. I know you are the undisputed CDL/GVW king but Im afraid you have met your match:laugh:

cutbetterthanyou
11-11-2012, 11:02 AM
Where did you get the 16,800 number?

If you put 14k on a 14k trailer plus 2k TW you are over GVWR period.

9200 is what i can have on my truck including the tongue weight, correct?.I got 16,800 from subtracting the 9200 gvwr from the 26,000 cdl limit. My understanding was that i can tow the difference up to 26k without a cdl. And if my trucks gvwr is more i can tow less, and if it is less i can tow more. Right or wrong?

Duffster
11-11-2012, 12:16 PM
9200 is what i can have on my truck including the tongue weight, correct?.

Yes

I got 16,800 from subtracting the 9200 gvwr from the 26,000 cdl limit. My understanding was that i can tow the difference up to 26k without a cdl.

Yup. Up to 16,800 GVWR.

And if my trucks gvwr is more i can tow less, and if it is less i can tow more. Right or wrong?

Yup

4 seasons lawn&land
11-11-2012, 02:59 PM
repost....

4 seasons lawn&land
11-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Yes



Yup. Up to 16,800 GVWR.




Yup



Well with that logic you could tow 22,000 with a hyundai Your talking about being CDL legal only but there are other laws too. A 9200 GVWR truck is rated to tow around 10000

Duffster
11-11-2012, 06:12 PM
A 9200 GVWR truck is rated to tow around 10000

That is not a legal rating.

Marek
11-11-2012, 06:28 PM
Do you have a Class A ?

Duffster
11-11-2012, 06:44 PM
Do you have a Class A ?

Me? Yes. Does it matter?

cutbetterthanyou
11-11-2012, 06:54 PM
Do you have a Class A ?

I have a class c

cutbetterthanyou
11-11-2012, 06:59 PM
Well with that logic you could tow 22,000 with a hyundai Your talking about being CDL legal only but there are other laws too. A 9200 GVWR truck is rated to tow around 10000

Not agueing because im sure your probally right, but what other laws are you talking about? There has to be a legal way to do it with a 3/4 ton, if not how do guys pulling a 3 car hauler do it? I got a friend of mine that gets pulled over on average 2xs a week and checked by DOT that's pulling a 3 car wedge with a 2500 cummins on a normal liecence

Marek
11-11-2012, 07:03 PM
In MD you need a class A cdl to to a commercial trailer that is registered over 10k. A camper no but your dump trailer would need a class A

Duffster
11-11-2012, 07:06 PM
In MD you need a class A cdl to to a commercial trailer that is registered over 10k.

No you don't.

cutbetterthanyou
11-11-2012, 07:19 PM
I was told this too, but i talked to a DOT officer last week about it and he said you don't. He said as long as your not over the total 26k combined, and that the truck and trailers registration is really what they look at. "meaning" Pay the state a bunch of money in registration fees and your good, if not i'll give you a fine and we'll get our money anyway. I have come to the conculsion that there job isn't about safety its about how much money the state can make off us working ppl, I just want to have everything right so when they do pull me they can't give me a ticket.

4 seasons lawn&land
11-11-2012, 07:41 PM
That is not a legal rating.


Youve heard it before but your still a moron

4 seasons lawn&land
11-11-2012, 09:22 PM
Not agueing because im sure your probally right, but what other laws are you talking about? There has to be a legal way to do it with a 3/4 ton, if not how do guys pulling a 3 car hauler do it? I got a friend of mine that gets pulled over on average 2xs a week and checked by DOT that's pulling a 3 car wedge with a 2500 cummins on a normal liecence



That would be the trucks own limits. Rear end, tires, rims, etc.

Probably a fifth wheel. Most 3/4 tons are rated to tow around 14000 on a fifth wheel. But GCWR isnt listed on door jams so as long as your not over on your rear axle you get get away with towing more than the manufacturers spec.

Duffster
11-11-2012, 09:28 PM
Youve heard it before but your still a moron

Hmmmm. Who died and crowned you king dick?

MDLawn
11-11-2012, 09:31 PM
I think he's right though. In the eyes of the DOT it seems the numbers they care about are GVWR, GAWR, GCWR. Not anywhere does it say they are concerned with what Ford, Chevy, or Dodge print. Towing a fully loaded 14k dump with a ranger would get you bad attention and not to mention be grossly over your RGAWR, probably a violation. So again by following the ratings above the DOT has it well covered in terms of what you can do. Even some of the 3/4 ton trucks could be over their RGAWR with a fully loaded 14-16k dump. So again technically with a 9200 truck you could tow 16,800. But would the tongue of a fully loaded trailer like that be over your RGAWR? Now take my dually. I have a 4995lb payload rating. I need to weigh the truck first but lets say I have a usable 4000lbs of payload. I'm rated to 14,100 by Ford but I bet I could tow a 20k gooseneck (with CDL) and still be under my RGAWR but over Fords recommendation.

Not if you want to talk legalities of an accident. That's a different ball game.
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4 seasons lawn&land
11-11-2012, 09:38 PM
Hmmmm. Who died and crowned you king dick?



Sucks to be wrong doesnt it?





I just sold my 14 k dump trailer. That thing was hell on my poor little 3/4 ton. In no way was it legal. If I got checked it would have been overweight on Rear axle, tires, rims, and hitch.

Duffster
11-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Sucks to be wrong doesnt it?

Show me where I am wrong. :rolleyes:



I just sold my 14 k dump trailer. That thing was hell on my poor little 3/4 ton.

You must be a very poor operator, Richard.

In no way was it legal. If I got checked it would have been overweight on Rear axle, tires, rims, and hitch.

Perfectly legal. As with any trailer it'd have to be loaded properly.

Duffster
11-12-2012, 09:02 AM
In MD you need a class A cdl to to a commercial trailer that is registered over 10k. A camper no but your dump trailer would need a class A

You got anything to back up such a statement?

You seem to like to pull stuff from your arse and pass it off as fact. :rolleyes:

Duffster
11-12-2012, 09:08 AM
So you sold the 14k and bought a 16k? :rolleyes:

You are making quite the statements hee considering some the thread you have started lately. :rolleyes:

4 seasons lawn&land
11-12-2012, 05:19 PM
I have a 35,000 lb International dump truck to tow with ****** bag.

Where are you wrong? Well you have 1064 post... lets start with those.

Marek
11-12-2012, 05:28 PM
Duffster who do you think you are ? I know what it is your real big and bad on a keyboard !

Marek
11-12-2012, 06:09 PM
Like we have all told you before, call the scale house and talk to the trooper !

410-442-2495

cutbetterthanyou
11-12-2012, 07:09 PM
Like i said i talked to the DOT officer last week, that's who works at the scale house isn't it? I put this on here cuz I have had a few ppl tell me different things.I really didn't think what he told me was right. I guess maybe it was, maybe not. First off he never asked me what class of licence i even had. He also failed to metion anything about what the truck is capiable of. he left me feeling like someones comment about a ranger or hyndai pulling a big trailer, which I didn't feel was right. I'm pretty sure i get it now, little in the gray, but i think i understand now. Thanks guys.

4 seasons lawn&land
11-12-2012, 07:18 PM
Im thinking your question was about CDL laws so thats all he gave you. Every vehicle has its own individual capacities that are enforced in addition to cdl laws.

cutbetterthanyou
11-12-2012, 08:09 PM
Im thinking your question was about CDL laws so thats all he gave you. Every vehicle has its own individual capacities that are enforced in addition to cdl laws.

It was ,but i told him what truck i had and what i was thinking about buying. And even told him "I am asking you before i buy so that i know i'm legal" You would think he would have explained that a little more. I guess if he don't explain it they that gives him a reason to pull me and give a ticket next time he sees me,typical.....

Marek
11-13-2012, 10:27 AM
Well took my own advice and got a differnet answer today than any that I had gotten in the past , which would make Duffster correct ! The trooper said as long as the gcwr is not over 26k the trailer can weight more than 10,000 lbs. I must say I have asked this question a hundred times and this is the first time that it was put this way. So hats off to Duffster

Marek
11-13-2012, 11:19 AM
Yet look at this http://www.turfjim.com/DOT_INFO.html or this

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Driver-Services/Apply/licenseclass.htm

MDLawn
11-13-2012, 11:40 AM
All I know is that for where I live NO CDL is required until you pass 26,000lbs with a single truck or towing a trailer of 10,001lbs+ where the combo weight exceeds 26,000. So I could use a 19,500 GVWR F550 dump and tow a 10k dump trailer, be well over 26k but need no CDL. But my F350 @ 12,600 GVWR needs a cdl to tow my 14k dump trailer which is why I had it reduced to 13,200 GVWR from the factory (stated on the VIN tag). No CDL needed now.

4 seasons lawn&land
11-13-2012, 07:33 PM
Well took my own advice and got a differnet answer today than any that I had gotten in the past , which would make Duffster correct ! The trooper said as long as the gcwr is not over 26k the trailer can weight more than 10,000 lbs. I must say I have asked this question a hundred times and this is the first time that it was put this way. So hats off to Duffster



That is true. That wasnt where the disagreement was though. It was whether you can tow those trailers with a vehicle that is inadequate to tow it. And you cant. Your still talking in terms of cdl laws only. And before that it was weather trailer manufacturers could add tongue weight into the GVWR. And they can.