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White Oak
11-22-2012, 05:27 PM
i have found a dump truck that i like. It is a 1986 international s1600, crew cab, with (i think) a 10 foot dump bed.7.3l , I talked to the seller about the weight. He said its under CDL and the only weight he could give me was the shipping weight. the shipping weight is 6,595lbs. Im sure thats without the dump bed. the one thing i cant figure out is, can it pull my 26 foot enclosed trailer(10,000 GVWR)legaly in vriginia. i dont want to have to deal with the whole CDL thing. Thanks for any help.

tnmtn
11-22-2012, 06:39 PM
If your asking if you can tow the trailer without a cdl the quick answer would be no. the combined weight of the truck and trailer would be over 26,000# which would require a cdl. you should be able to drive the truck alone with a medical card and proof of being in a drug screen consortium.

Kelly's Landscaping
11-22-2012, 08:32 PM
That shipping weight sounds like its coming with out an engine. My ram 4500s are just over 9000 pounds empty and this truck is bigger than 16000 gvw in fact I looked up the model and found one that listed it at 23300 gvw. So not sure if that number varies from truck to truck depending on options but I would suspect the light weight is wrong.

CLT
11-22-2012, 08:46 PM
I have this same truck pretty much. You will need a cdl because your combined gvwr is over 26000lbs, with a 10k trailer you'll be over. If not towing the trailer, you'd be fine.
The gvwr on that truck should be around 20k. You'll need a class b cdl.
If towing a trailer over 10001 lbs you'd need class a cdl.

CLT
11-22-2012, 08:48 PM
Class b cdl to tow the trailer that is

DQL10
11-22-2012, 08:55 PM
All I can say is to call the dmv or highway patrol to find out. I always thought in VA you would only need a cdl for length requirments. But I have no need for one as I dont have anything bigger than a 16ft trailer.

CLT
11-22-2012, 09:10 PM
I have gotten tons of use out of my truck though, I took the backseat out and I put tools back there, the truck rarely breaks down b/c it's built heavy duty, it can haul about anything u put in the relatively small bed, and it didn't break the bank. Tires are $$$ though.

Duffster
11-23-2012, 08:21 AM
i have found a dump truck that i like. It is a 1986 international s1600, crew cab, with (i think) a 10 foot dump bed.7.3l , I talked to the seller about the weight. He said its under CDL and the only weight he could give me was the shipping weight. the shipping weight is 6,595lbs. Im sure thats without the dump bed. the one thing i cant figure out is, can it pull my 26 foot enclosed trailer(10,000 GVWR)legaly in vriginia. i dont want to have to deal with the whole CDL thing. Thanks for any help.

YES. The truck is under CDL and the 10k trailer is under CDL as well.


the combined weight of the truck and trailer would be over 26,000# which would require a cdl.

I have this same truck pretty much. You will need a cdl because your combined gvwr is over 26000lbs, with a 10k trailer you'll be over.

Can either of you show us why or where it says one needs a CDL for a combo over 26k alone? Without the trailer being over 10k.

Class b cdl to tow the trailer that is

That is just ignorant. :hammerhead:

All I can say is to call the dmv or highway patrol to find out. I always thought in VA you would only need a cdl for length requirments. But I have no need for one as I dont have anything bigger than a 16ft trailer.

Length virtually means nothing here.

Duffster
11-23-2012, 08:39 AM
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PerfectEarth
11-23-2012, 08:50 AM
Listen to Duffster here.

All other info is terrible. Where do people get their bad info from?! The CDL rules are quite simple.

Again:

The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds PROVIDED the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.

jrs.landscaping
11-24-2012, 05:16 PM
Duffster is right on all accounts, also that truck should tare near 15k. My 450tares out at 9660 and my L8000 comes in at 19.5k, that truck should be somewhere in the middle.

burnthefurniture
11-27-2012, 11:56 PM
Do hydraulic vs air brakes have any effect on this? I was under the impression federal law required a CDL for vehicles with air brakes, regardless of GVWR.

jrs.landscaping
11-28-2012, 06:57 AM
Do hydraulic vs air brakes have any effect on this? I was under the impression federal law required a CDL for vehicles with air brakes, regardless of GVWR.

No CDL if using air brakes under 26k.

Duffster
11-28-2012, 08:10 AM
Do hydraulic vs air brakes have any effect on this? I was under the impression federal law required a CDL for vehicles with air brakes, regardless of GVWR.

Type of brakes has no bearing on wether or not you need a CDL.

Duffster
11-29-2012, 07:44 AM
Can either of you show us why or where it says one needs a CDL for a combo over 26k alone? Without the trailer being over 10k.

Nothing Eh?