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recycledsole
12-01-2012, 09:47 PM
Hey guys,
i am considering upgrading to a ford f450 drw 6.0L diesel. can anyone tell me what to look for when buying it used? it has a dump bed. it is a 1997 model. around 67K miles. he is asking $8000, but i think i could talk him down atleast $1000

what kind of gas mileage does it get? from what i see diesel is a little more expensive per gallon, but might run longer.
any information on f450s would be appreciated.

at the moment i have a toyota tundra and is real limited when doing hauling of any kind, like leaves, debris, etc... its a great truck, but i will have to get a trailer or upgrade.
thank you very much

TruSomethingOrOther
12-01-2012, 10:13 PM
The 6.0 motors are a good motor if they have been fixed. They were designed with far fewer head bolts than what they need. The fix is cheap.

I have the 6.4 F450 drw quad cab and love it. Diesel motors last 3 ~ 4 times what a gas motor will and has way more balls. Gas mileage however might be an issue. I get 8 to 9 miles a gallon hauling a 16 foot enclosed trailer around.

Maintenance is also more expensive when needed. 100 dollar oil changes, but every 5 thousand miles. Will post more later. Am at a theatre.

White Gardens
12-01-2012, 10:17 PM
1997?

Are you sure you don't mean a 2007?



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KrayzKajun
12-01-2012, 10:40 PM
If its a 97' then it will have the almighty 7.3.
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LindblomRJ
12-01-2012, 11:15 PM
If it is a 97 is will be the 7.3 if it is, you have a great engine and setup.

recycledsole
12-02-2012, 09:51 AM
ok thanks gentlemen. i am not sure the owner has not responded to my email yet. i will let you all know when he responds.
i thought my tundra would get 18 or 20mpg but its getting around 12 average with no trailer.
thank you very much

DLM155
12-04-2012, 11:50 PM
97 should be the 7.3. Its no powerhouse but it works, expect no better than 15mpg when towing, you may squeak 18 unloaded. Diesel is a solid .75cents hire per gallon here than gasoline, but thats recent. Usually its a full dollar higher. Fuel mileage is so close it wont matter when you get into the expense of the larger brakes, 12qt oil changes and 6 E load range tires.

A 1/2t truck to a 1-1/4t truck is a big step up, do you really need that much truck?

southern79
12-05-2012, 10:21 AM
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southern79
12-05-2012, 10:22 AM
I love my 1997 F450. I can't say it gets 15 mpg with a 4.88 rear, but it gets the job done. Will hold about 3 tons legally. Real work horse.
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southern79
12-05-2012, 10:24 AM
Oh yea, two front Uniroyal tires installed $386.00. Still need to do the back 4.
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precision8m
12-07-2012, 09:04 AM
If you buy it, do the engine upgrades right away. Dont expect good gas mileage with any ford diesel, especially a 450 or higher. If you don't need a truck that big then get a 350 dump.

Mark Oomkes
12-07-2012, 09:38 AM
6.0's are the biggest turd ever put on the market by Ford. The head bolts will be the least of your problems more than likely.

And your mileage will be worse than with your Tundra.

precision8m
12-07-2012, 02:09 PM
If you want mileage. Buy a cummins.
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southern79
12-07-2012, 02:12 PM
Do you know if we're talking 1997 or 2007? BIG difference!
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SaturnoAndSon
12-07-2012, 10:27 PM
Either a 7.3 or 6.0 is going to need some work. A truck with a 7.3 will be at the age it will nickle and dime you. Diesel or not, the motor may last but the rest of the truck rots the same. I would walk, no, run from a 6.0 powered truck. Several friends of mine with 6.0 fords as PERSONAL trucks, not plowing, not towing, are thousands and thousands of dollars in repairs into their trucks. Head gaskets, turbos, egr problems. One in particular just swallowed a 7k repair bill.

The best decision I made was to buy a brand new gas pickup. I don't tow anything over 5 to 6k on a regular basis. Once in a while towing 10k is perfectly acceptable. Gas trucks keep getting better and better as diesels are becoming overcomplicated and crippled by emissions. Not to mention the 8k price tag increase, and the extra expense for fuel. If you think you are buying a diesel pickup to save money on fuel you are only kidding yourself. Take a moment to honestly consider how you will be using the truck.

Mark Oomkes
12-08-2012, 01:24 PM
A truck with a 7.3 will be at the age it will nickle and dime you.

Absolute horse hockey.

RSK Property Maintenance
12-08-2012, 05:02 PM
i have a 96 7.3 as does my buddy, nothing but great work horses, my buddy also has a 6.0 any truck that sits is going to have issues, I have never heard of a truck that gets driven 5 days a week needing a turbo, my truck is coming on 272,000 miles within the next few days still on the stock turbo, still has the original injectors, still has the stock head gaskets and it has been worked hard since day one, and its probably equally if not even cleaner then most trucks 10 years newer with half the mileage. 6.0's do need the heads studded with arp headstuds and the egr deleted, but once you do that they are good to go, and have plenty of power, add an sct tuner and put in the race tune and you will see 13-14mpg towing 14,000lbs, they really have done a lot with trucks and tuning since the 7.3 the 6.4 is even better, right there next to the 6.7 cummins. the ram trucks have come a long way too, i guess the transmissions are fixed, and can be tuned with a programmer to hold 700hp without being built, and the the motors are able to reach almost 700hp with a tune and dpf delete which is nice to hear. buy whatever you can afford, but going with a 7.3 f450 should be a sure way to make lots of money, especially if it has been well maintained which the key to anything lasting. Its also very important it was sitting a lot. otherwise things may have seized up may need some extra attention. so the main thing to look for is mileage over 150,000 for that truck which would still almost deter me from buying it because it seems on the low side. I bought my 96 last april with 238,000 with no hesitation, miles are good thing as long as proper maintenance was done, only time low mileage is good is if you are looking at something 2-3 years old then you might want something with under 20 or 30,000 miles but you will also pay a lot more for it when the same truck for 8,000 or even 3500 will do the job just as good.

LindblomRJ
12-08-2012, 09:45 PM
Either a 7.3 or 6.0 is going to need some work. A truck with a 7.3 will be at the age it will nickle and dime you. Diesel or not, the motor may last but the rest of the truck rots the same. I would walk, no, run from a 6.0 powered truck. Several friends of mine with 6.0 fords as PERSONAL trucks, not plowing, not towing, are thousands and thousands of dollars in repairs into their trucks. Head gaskets, turbos, egr problems. One in particular just swallowed a 7k repair bill.

The best decision I made was to buy a brand new gas pickup. I don't tow anything over 5 to 6k on a regular basis. Once in a while towing 10k is perfectly acceptable. Gas trucks keep getting better and better as diesels are becoming overcomplicated and crippled by emissions. Not to mention the 8k price tag increase, and the extra expense for fuel. If you think you are buying a diesel pickup to save money on fuel you are only kidding yourself. Take a moment to honestly consider how you will be using the truck.
No, a 7.3 will not nickel and dime you. :rolleyes: It is one of the better diesels ever put in a Ford.

alldayrj
12-08-2012, 09:49 PM
He said the truck. Not the motor. Meaning brakes, front end parts etc. the truck could be almost 15 years old. Stuff wears out
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RSK Property Maintenance
12-08-2012, 11:16 PM
if anyone here thinks they are saving money by spending 30,000 on newer truck with lower mileage so that way they don't have to rebuild a front end or do some u-joints you, need to learn simple math. It is proven it is cheaper to buy a well maintained 15 or 16 year old truck especially for work and just rebuild or replace whatever needs it then go with a newer truck with a warranty and lower miles. I picked up my truck for 3500 body is 7-10 has small dings and dents, very little rust, and overall in good condition, it needed a tranny for 2,000 because i didn't know that a sensor wasn't function properly so i just kept driving it. do i regret it not one bit, was it worth absolutely, it needed a front end a year and half later, its worth every penny, especially for what the truck has made me so far, i'm still not even into this truck for 10,000 yet and its never left me stranded anywhere. I was towing 10,000lbs + on a weekly basis with it. not once in a while, it needed a new hitch because the old rotted out, there's another 350 dollars still a very good truck at a reasonable price. my truck needed a passenger side caliper, so I did both sides, and now they have a life time warranty, along with my brake pads. not a bad deal if you ask me, and the parts were dirt cheap, and i haven't had to replace them yet.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/ryan818/102_1235.jpg

would you buy this truck for 3500, I sure would any day of the week. with those very tires on it I used to get 19mpg all highway and 16 highway, city with towing mixed in there.

I would say go for it buy the 97 7.3 f450 and don't look back try to talk the guy down 1500 but if its as clean as my truck or cleaner, and needs nothing, he may not budge more then 500 dollars if any, but good luck and remember you can get quality used trucks for under 10,000 that are perfectly reliable and will make the same amount of money as newer much more expensive truck.

LindblomRJ
12-09-2012, 12:06 AM
He said the truck. Not the motor. Meaning brakes, front end parts etc. the truck could be almost 15 years old. Stuff wears out
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Brakes, front end parts are going to wear on whatever you drive, and they are easy repairs and in the grand scheme of things are cheap. Or cheaper then payments on a brand new truck.

SaturnoAndSon
12-10-2012, 12:09 AM
Sorry if I was confusing. I did indeed mean the rest of the truck, not the 7.3 engine itself. I work on a farm during the time off from landscaping season and every single pickup is diesel. Oldest is a 96, newest a 2010 duramax. The 96 and 02 and 03 are starting to get those stupid problems. One week its a pitman/idler arm. Next week its brake lines. Next week its steering box. Then ball joints. Yes, its cheaper to maintain an older truck than to hoof $5-600 payments. But if you are in the situation where you don't have another truck to fall back on, a simple breakdown like a rotted brake line can cost you a good portion of a days work. Each has its ups and downs I suppose.

Mark Oomkes
12-10-2012, 11:24 AM
if anyone here thinks they are saving money by spending 30,000 on newer truck with lower mileage so that way they don't have to rebuild a front end or do some u-joints you, need to learn simple math. It is proven it is cheaper to buy a well maintained 15 or 16 year old truck especially for work and just rebuild or replace whatever needs it then go with a newer truck with a warranty and lower miles. I picked up my truck for 3500 body is 7-10 has small dings and dents, very little rust, and overall in good condition, it needed a tranny for 2,000 because i didn't know that a sensor wasn't function properly so i just kept driving it. do i regret it not one bit, was it worth absolutely, it needed a front end a year and half later, its worth every penny, especially for what the truck has made me so far, i'm still not even into this truck for 10,000 yet and its never left me stranded anywhere. I was towing 10,000lbs + on a weekly basis with it. not once in a while, it needed a new hitch because the old rotted out, there's another 350 dollars still a very good truck at a reasonable price. my truck needed a passenger side caliper, so I did both sides, and now they have a life time warranty, along with my brake pads. not a bad deal if you ask me, and the parts were dirt cheap, and i haven't had to replace them yet.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/ryan818/102_1235.jpg

would you buy this truck for 3500, I sure would any day of the week. with those very tires on it I used to get 19mpg all highway and 16 highway, city with towing mixed in there.

I would say go for it buy the 97 7.3 f450 and don't look back try to talk the guy down 1500 but if its as clean as my truck or cleaner, and needs nothing, he may not budge more then 500 dollars if any, but good luck and remember you can get quality used trucks for under 10,000 that are perfectly reliable and will make the same amount of money as newer much more expensive truck.

My last 4 truck purchases in order of MY:

'02 had about 56K with the 7.3
'99 had about 61K with the 7.3
'95 had 22K with a 5.9 Cummins
'93 had 48K with a 8.3 Cummins

A warranty on a truck or plow doesn't mean squat to me at 3 AM in the middle of a blizzard. That piece of paper does not plow or salt the lots. It does not make my customer happy with the service I committed to provide them with. Yes, it may save me money at the end of the storm, but that doesn't do anything for me when I really need it.

I would much rather spend money on a good, used truck that has less computers on it and is dependable, than something like my last 3 that I bought brand new and have spent far more money on and have let me down more times than the older ones combined.

Yes, I own 3 6.0s.

jrs.landscaping
12-10-2012, 05:46 PM
My last 4 truck purchases in order of MY:

'02 had about 56K with the 7.3
'99 had about 61K with the 7.3
'95 had 22K with a 5.9 Cummins
'93 had 48K with a 8.3 Cummins

A warranty on a truck or plow doesn't mean squat to me at 3 AM in the middle of a blizzard. That piece of paper does not plow or salt the lots. It does not make my customer happy with the service I committed to provide them with. Yes, it may save me money at the end of the storm, but that doesn't do anything for me when I really need it.

I would much rather spend money on a good, used truck that has less computers on it and is dependable, than something like my last 3 that I bought brand new and have spent far more money on and have let me down more times than the older ones combined.

Yes, I own 3 6.0s.

That should be explained to a lot of people who NEED the new truck. You can usually find some great deals on used trucks which are just as, if not more, reliable than a new one.

RSK Property Maintenance
12-10-2012, 06:32 PM
My last 4 truck purchases in order of MY:

'02 had about 56K with the 7.3
'99 had about 61K with the 7.3
'95 had 22K with a 5.9 Cummins
'93 had 48K with a 8.3 Cummins

A warranty on a truck or plow doesn't mean squat to me at 3 AM in the middle of a blizzard. That piece of paper does not plow or salt the lots. It does not make my customer happy with the service I committed to provide them with. Yes, it may save me money at the end of the storm, but that doesn't do anything for me when I really need it.

I would much rather spend money on a good, used truck that has less computers on it and is dependable, than something like my last 3 that I bought brand new and have spent far more money on and have let me down more times than the older ones combined.

Yes, I own 3 6.0s.

I like 6.0's they need to have the heads studded, egr deleted, and they need a sct tuner installed asap, and that will make the tranny last a long time, and the truck will be a work horse like 7.3's are and probably get better fuel economy. They need to not be babied too, that is a serious issue, which causes turbo's to fail, my buddy hasn't plugged his 6.0 ever he bought it new in 05 and now has 160,000 on it. truck was driven every day up until last january. now it stays hooked up to 14' dump trailer until it snows

recycledsole
12-11-2012, 09:54 PM
thanks alot gentlemen

what kind of serious regular maintenance do f450s and f350s require?
for example, i know my tundra needs the timing belt/ water pump replaced around 100K. things like that

thank you very much

recycledsole
12-11-2012, 09:57 PM
for $12,000 w/ plow. 58K miles
seems good
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/3455800447.html

RSK Property Maintenance
12-12-2012, 11:53 AM
for $12,000 w/ plow. 58K miles
seems good
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/3455800447.html

v10 motor, probably not gonna be very friendly fuel wise, and not sure on the longevity of those v10's i would just go with a diesel if you can, don't look for low mileage like that either, i wouldn't buy something that was sitting so much, I would go with 100,000+ mileage means, It wasn't always in the repair shop or down and broken. when you do find a diesel truck, ask about the maintenance.

RSK Property Maintenance
12-12-2012, 11:59 AM
thanks alot gentlemen

what kind of serious regular maintenance do f450s and f350s require?
for example, i know my tundra needs the timing belt/ water pump replaced around 100K. things like that

thank you very much

fuel filters, every 2 or 3 oil changes, oil changes, every 4-5000 miles, my water pump is still oem on my truck with 272,000 miles. might replace it sooner then later though its about 300 to have someone else to do, not at the dealer or a repair shop. ball joints, u-joints, tie rods, track arm bushings, brake pads, calipers if you let the truck sit for long periods of time. nothing out of the ordinary.

recycledsole
12-12-2012, 10:28 PM
ok thank you very much