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DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
12-04-2012, 08:43 PM
All right,
Here's the deal, doing a clean up today and we ended up briefly blocking the road while sucking up the wing row of leaves we created.
Of course at the same time a police car pulled up and a young officer gets out of the passenger side of the vehicle and starts flailing his arms and screaming at the top of his lungs. I fully understand we should not have blocked the road and that we were in the wrong for this.
The problem I'm having with this is the totally unprofessional ay in which he conducted himself. Screaming at us to get out of the way and to move our equipment and that if our truck is there when he comes by he is going to start writing tickets while the whole time screaming. He then says he is on a call and then gets back in the cruiser only to pull around our leaf truck , stop and begin yelling out of the window again! So as far as his call I'm pretty sure he was lying.

So to finish my rant I need advice on whether or not I should even bother heading to the police department tomorrow afternoon just to speak with the officer in charge about the incident or could this land me in more unwanted attention ? Or would it even do me any good at all? I just feel this officer was way out of line.

Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.

JB1
12-04-2012, 08:49 PM
so you are blocking a road which is unprofessional, ranting about a cop who is screaming which you think is unprofessional. Yes, do go and complain and stir up the hornets nest.

DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
12-04-2012, 08:53 PM
so you are blocking a road which is unprofessional, ranting about a cop who is screaming which you think is unprofessional. Yes, do go and complain and stir up the hornets nest.

Already said we were in the wrong but my question was should his behavior be tolerated?

Mark Oomkes
12-04-2012, 08:53 PM
Leave it alone unless he writes you.

Then ask him how yelling and screaming is being a public servant? Then ask his sergeant.

JB1
12-04-2012, 08:55 PM
Already said we were in the wrong but my question was should his behavior be tolerated?


two wrongs don't make it right, let it die.

Sprinkler Buddy
12-04-2012, 08:57 PM
Leave it be and watch your P's and Q's when doing that account in the future. Chances are a neighbor called and complained about you blocking the road. Be happy he let you off with a warning. Going to the station would only put a bulls-eye on your trucks in the future.

larryinalabama
12-04-2012, 08:58 PM
He was just looking for a "TIP"

badbart
12-04-2012, 10:17 PM
Report it to the Chief immediately. If that Officer can't maintain his composure in something as minor as a traffic infraction he needs to be re-evaluated by his supervisor. I am a retired Deputy Sheriff and if one of my men demonstrated that kind of unprofessional behavior he would written up and suspended for three days. With any luck it may have been recorded if he had an in-car camera. Did he turn his overhead emergency lights on? That usually engages the auto-record if his patrol car is equipped with a camera system. More and more agencies use the cameras these days. Don't be afraid to bring this to the attention of his department. They need to weed out the cowboys.

DLM155
12-04-2012, 10:56 PM
I'd probably drop his superior a line if you caught his badge number, name or car number. If not, don't bother.

Unless he came around the corner lights and siren going wild and you didn't get out of his way hes just being an ass, clearly you're working on something, attending the truck and don't plan on sitting there long. Local PD is pretty forgiving about this sort of thing around here if you aren't on a major road.

beano
12-04-2012, 11:28 PM
As a cop in a big city my opinion is leave it alone. Was it unprofessional, probably. But were you in the wrong as well....yes. Nothing is going to happen to you and you never know what kind of day he was having. Even if you complain, it wont do you any good and nothing will become of it on his end so go about your day tomorrow and forget about it. He probably dosent know what kind of issues we deal with as landscapers and anyone who isnt a cop has no idea what we could have delt with 5 min before as police officers....dont let it get to you and tomorrows a new day!

DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
12-05-2012, 07:13 AM
Thanks all i guess i will leave it alone as most have expressed.
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patrick6411
12-05-2012, 09:05 AM
I know you decided to leave it alone, great call!!

Here is my take on it:

Officer could have just been in a stressful situation and took it out on you. We are all guilty of doing that in one form or another. I myself wouldn’t complain what I would have done was noticed his name and badge number, if possible, then called and left a friendly message for him to call me. I would then start the call out like” We got off on the wrong foot.” You might be surprised with finding out the guy may have had a bad day or heck he could have been arguing with his wife. Who knows. I know this isn’t an excuse.

We have to remember that officers deal with scenarios that most of us couldn’t deal with on a daily bases or wouldn’t want to. After all they are not machines. I am not making excuses for the guy, it was not right the way he acted.

205mx
12-05-2012, 09:42 AM
I once had a mail man flip his lid on me... If my client wasn't out there speaking with me- I wouldn't have just said "ok i apologize" lol. There was literally no place to park on the street except in front of my clients mail box. I undrerstood that I wasn't supposed to park there
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badbart
12-05-2012, 11:11 AM
Law Enforcement Officers are carefully selected for the job that they have chosen. They are tested and evaluated while in the academy and while being trained in a particular agency to be sure they have what it takes to perform well under high stress situations. Regardless of what his prior call(s) may have entailed, losing his composure in the manner the OP described is not acceptable. LEO's cannot "go off" on people, no excuses. Truthfully, no one knows what caused his actions that day. But it needs to be dealt with before he becomes a liability to his department and his fellow officers. If his superiors don't know there's a problem they can't take corrective action. I say man up and deal with this issue.

Hawkshot99
12-05-2012, 11:25 AM
Law Enforcement Officers are carefully selected for the job that they have chosen. They are tested and evaluated while in the academy and while being trained in a particular agency to be sure they have what it takes to perform well under high stress situations. Regardless of what his prior call(s) may have entailed, losing his composure in the manner the OP described is not acceptable. LEO's cannot "go off" on people, no excuses. Truthfully, no one knows what caused his actions that day. But it needs to be dealt with before he becomes a liability to his department and his fellow officers. If his superiors don't know there's a problem they can't take corrective action. I say man up and deal with this issue.

If the guy had not said that he was sucking up leaves with his truck I would agree with you. When I am working with loud machines I wear my ear muffs and dont usully know what is going on outside of my task. Ill have clients come up to talk to me and I dont notice them. They usully start waving to catch my attention.
With that said maybe this cop had been waiting to get by for a while as he is blocking the road. Maybe the cop was yelling, but maybe it was because the OP just turned down the machine to idle or something.
You never get the absolute truth to a story and especially not when someone is complaing about the police.
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B-2 Lawncare
12-05-2012, 01:35 PM
I have mix emotions about this thread, while I have never been a cop, I have been a supervisor of men who who under some extremely stressful situations. Its never OK for someone of authority to loose there cool, even if they are having a "bad" day.
Was the yelling loosing his cool may bee. Was he out of line when he stop and rolled down his window and started yelling at you again? In my opinion yes sounds like a guy who has never been in a leadership role be four, and might need to evaluated by a his supervisor.
Now was having your truck out in traffic OK? Did drivers have to slow and merge into the other lane to go by? that's how your post reads which puts you in the wrong.
If you should contact his supervisor, I would say yes the supervisor can't fix a minor problem with out knowing about it. I say minor because that what this is, but if not corrected it could become a bigger issue for your community.

newguy123
12-05-2012, 01:47 PM
Tough call...I would probably let it go. Maybe this cop has a bad day, we should all be granted one mistake. You admitted you were wrong, but blocking one road is not the end of the world. Obviously this cop has issues, but I'm not sure reporting it will do you any good. As previously stated, you might stir up more trouble then good. Cops are like a brotherhood and chances are they'll hear you out but will probably tell your story to other cops and laugh about it behind your back.

I would just move on...it sucks because a uniformed cop is supposed to represent a certain image, and from what you told us he doesn't represent that at all.

badbart
12-05-2012, 05:25 PM
Cops are like a brotherhood and chances are they'll hear you out but will probably tell your story to other cops and laugh about it behind your back.

I would just move on...it sucks because a uniformed cop is supposed to represent a certain image, and from what you told us he doesn't represent that at all.

1. We are a Brotherhood, but we are a PROFESSIONAL Brotherhood. We police ourselves and know that we are held to higher standards.

2. My point exactly.

CL&T
12-05-2012, 09:09 PM
Several questions need answering. What kind of street was this? Quiet residential neighborhood with few cars, a secondary two lane road with several cars per minute? What? How long were you blocking the street? Did it appear that the cop was trying to get your attention but because of the noise or your work you didn't notice him right away?

Around here in NY this would be unheard of and it's always said that people in NY have a short fuse. If I was blocking the street for a short time to get my work done nobody would give me a hard time. It actually happens all the time. If this were a busy secondary road I would have to provide flag people but in a residential neighborhood they wait or turn around.

I don't understand the officers attitude either unless you aren't telling the whole story and you were in the wrong somehow. (Blocking the road is not in the wrong unless there were cars backed up.) If it went down like you said it was totally unprofessional. I might leave it alone, but then if it pissed me off enough I would put something in writing to either the chief or the town board (whatever it's called in MA) which acts as the police commissioners. Keep it very professional, not accusatory and just state the facts and that you feel that the PO acted in a very unprofessional manner.

DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING
12-05-2012, 09:47 PM
Hey guys,
I did decide to not pursue any further communication about this matter with the police department.
Just to set the story straight.
I gave the story straight, i have absolutely no reason to slant my story at all.
I admitted right off that i should not have blocked the road.
We were on a backroad with a road twenty feet on either side of us that join together.
We did promptly move our truck for two vehicles that didnt want to go around the block.
Unfortunately we do live in a relatively small community so i would worry about the target mentality from this department.
Thanks
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CL&T
12-05-2012, 11:21 PM
I gave the story straight, i have absolutely no reason to slant my story at all.
I admitted right off that i should not have blocked the road.
We were on a backroad with a road twenty feet on either side of us that join together.
We did promptly move our truck for two vehicles that didn't want to go around the block.

Ok I believe you. You should not have admitted any wrongdoing, you were not doing anything wrong by blocking the road any more than a car or other truck stopped in the road to load or unload. As long as there are no signs indicating "no stopping" you had every right to be there- within reason. Believe me, I used to work for a cable company and I used to stop everwhere with either a van or bucket truck and nobody ever gave me a problem.

It sounds like someone in one of those vehicles had some pull with the police, didn't like you, the person you were working for, or all of the above. The PO also was completely unprofessional in handling the incident.

That said, you say this is a small town. In my small town I have gotten to know some police officers, a detective is an old drinking buddy and the police chief is a nice guy. The parking enforcement officer is also the dog warden and I'm on a first name basis with him. I wouldn't abuse my relationships but he knows my trucks and car and would not give me a ticket if I were to overstay where I was parked in town. What I'm trying to say is that you get more flies with honey than vinegar. Whenever you get the chance get to know some of these guys and maybe they won't bust your balls the next time.

AI Inc
12-06-2012, 07:27 AM
As a cop in a big city my opinion is leave it alone. Was it unprofessional, probably. But were you in the wrong as well....yes. Nothing is going to happen to you and you never know what kind of day he was having. Even if you complain, it wont do you any good and nothing will become of it on his end so go about your day tomorrow and forget about it. He probably dosent know what kind of issues we deal with as landscapers and anyone who isnt a cop has no idea what we could have delt with 5 min before as police officers....dont let it get to you and tomorrows a new day!

well said....

herler
12-06-2012, 08:23 AM
I feel like yelling and screaming somedays.
Sometimes I'm not even in the right and I still feel like doing it.

GMLC
12-06-2012, 12:35 PM
I would drop it. That officer could have come from a fatal accident with children involved. Police have to deal with some nasty stuff that we will never have to see.
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integrityman
12-06-2012, 01:34 PM
Start scouting the local coffee hots spots in am. Watch for him to pull up and buy him a cup of joe.....maybe a donut or two. When he asks who paid for it....go up to him and tell him the guy you treated like a total a$$hole on such and such street.

TML
12-07-2012, 12:56 PM
Just curious if a leaf sucker, blower, or mowers were running at the time hence the yelling part? Sounds like he just yelled at a foolish situation that was not an immediate danger to anybody at that moment; however, if AJ squared away calmely walked up and was as professional as can be and started writng tickets I'm sure you would not of been happy with that outcome either. If it were me I'd just say to myself "whatever" and move on keep it in the back of your head if the same officer has multiple dealings with you or your company and acts the same way over very minor issues then I may bring up the combined incidents then. For all you know the departments hates the officer and would love to hear your complaint, but I'd let it die and wait for another day.

Ex cop
12-08-2012, 12:15 PM
As a former officer i can tell you that if youre blocking the road youre impeding the flow of traffic wether theres traffic or not. as far as complaining?? lol dont waste your time.
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Ex cop
12-08-2012, 12:29 PM
And as far as the overhead lights turns the camera on comment? ya it does but it can also be turned off with the push of a button. any advice given by someone who doesnt have law enforcement experience or from an attorney is as good as a pile of crap on the ground lol if further advice is needed just listen to the song " i fought the law and the law won" lol
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CL&T
12-08-2012, 03:34 PM
As a former officer i can tell you that if youre blocking the road youre impeding the flow of traffic wether theres traffic or not. as far as complaining?? lol dont waste your time.
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Perhaps "blocking the road" is a poor choice of words on the OP's part. He wasn't stopped there to pick his nose, he was doing his job picking up leaves on the side of the road. If he was impeding the flow of traffic it was necessary. Apparently in some academies they don't teach common sense. Most small town departments also take a dim view of their officers busting people balls for no reason. If the OP was drunk and beligerent have at him but if he's just trying to do his job help him out.

I think the only thing the OP was guilty of was not putting flag people or cones in front and behind at the intersections so stupid people wouldn't drive up to him and have to stop like a** holes.

Ex cop
12-08-2012, 04:13 PM
If a vehicle is blocking the road for any reason then its impeding the flow of traffic. Proper aurthorization is required to close any road for any amount of time. No sense in debating a pointless issue or making comments about no common sense being taught in academies. if you have a job that will block a roadway, go ahead and call local authorities, state reason why youre blocking the road, and see what kind of answer you receive lol B-)
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1idejim
12-08-2012, 04:39 PM
Regardless of the state you are in, your truck is licensed and registered as Commercial.

Unless posted you can double park for loading using just your flashers.

I am no cop but many of my family and friends are LEOs. The officer should be reported for his actions, he seems to have forgotten that he works for you and not the other way around.

For all of the good officers on the job, each dept. has a few culls that give the entire force a bad name.
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Ex cop
12-08-2012, 04:58 PM
Youre rite! you can double park BUT theres a difference between double parking and blocking a roadway. best advice is to check with local authorities to find out what you can and cant do
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Chilehead
12-08-2012, 05:47 PM
If I'm not mistaken, you can report him to your state's department of internal affairs, and you could also write a letter to the police chief & mayor indicating what happened. Threaten to bring this situation to your local media if you don't receive an apology from the offending officer. If you don't get an apology, picket with your crew in front of the police station, and notify every media outlet why you are there. Ferris Beuler said it best, "you can never go too far".

mmrunyan1
12-08-2012, 10:31 PM
I have many friends on my local p.d.. I can not imagine one of them behaving this. Although, I am sure this is common place in some places. However, take the advice of the people telling you to just let it go. Allow this experience to take you to a new level when you always be considerate not only to your customer, but to the neighbors and the community. Don't put a big X on your back. Just be more aware of the next level of professionalism. I was in the moving industry for over a decade, and we had to be constantly be aware of this very issue.