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retrodog
12-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Just gonna let you Bad Boy revamped their entire lower line from CZT down. They also incorporated the new smooth drive system from the XP on the entire line, improved the E-Brake, etc with no price increase.
They released the new MZ Magnum 54" 27hp Briggs professional $3499, 48" 26hp Kawasaki for $3899 54" $3999. The magnum has the 2800 serviceable transmissions now!. They have a 42" for 2999 for single 21hp, or 3399 for 22hp kawasaki twin.
The ZT and CZT have been dramatically changed, and gonna be called elite with some carbon fiber accents. They have the completely separate dual hydro reservoirs like the Outlaw, drives are dramatically smoother, the CZT being the smoothest mower I have ever drove. Have moved the operator back and increased the weight to the rear axle combined with the new drives, really improves the hill stability and waay less tire spin. Decks also all improved offering 48" 54" and 60", the 48 and 54 I got the pleasure of using the prototypes and I must say very smooth cut!
ZT is gonna have 3100's 48" 27hp Briggs pro for $4499, 60" 27hp Kohler Courage Pro $4999, 48" 26hp Kawa, heck I'll just post the whole price list. Keep in mind these are the cash promo prices and do not include dealer prep set-up and destination (shouldn't have much on the 2 star mowers as they are free if the dealers order right, and dont have to special order...), options, or whatever else your dealer charges you.
Big mowers all pretty much the same besides a kawa option on the standard outlaw now.... You guys these are massive 4 rail 2x2 11 guage frame and 5 guage decks on Outlaw+, they are not ashamed of the metal on these tanks! 2 year parts and labor warranty with life on frame and deck. Oh and to those who didn't notice the 50" zt and czt used our 48" blades already, really not a loss in inches this year, just the overlap in blades is better now with this design....
Ask your dealer about purchasing 5 at one time for a special pricing bracket!!

2013 Bad Boy, Inc Mower Pricing

Promo Price
MZ Series
MZ 42" 21 hp Briggs** $2,999.00
MZ 42" 726cc Kawasaki FR ** $3,399.00
MZ Magnum Series
Magnum 54" 27 hp Briggs Pro ELS** $3,499.00
Magnum 48" 726 hp Kawasaki FR** $3,899.00
Magnum 54" 726 Kawasaki FR** $3,999.00
ZT Series
ZT 48" 27 hp Briggs Pro ELS** $4,499.00
ZT 48" 27 hp Kohler Courage Pro** $4,999.00
ZT 60" 27 hp Kohler Courage Pro** $4,999.00
ZT 48" 726cc Kawasaki FR** $5,199.00
ZT 60" 726cc Kawasaki FR** $5,299.00
CZT Series
CZT 48" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic** $5,799.00
CZT 54" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic** $5,899.00
CZT 60" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic** $5,999.00
CZT 48" 26 hp Kawasaki FS** $5,999.00
CZT 54" 26 hp Kawasaki FS** $6,099.00
CZT 60" 26 hp Kawasaki FS** $6,199.00
Outlaw Stand On Series
Outlaw S 48" 30 Briggs Cyclonic $5,799.00
Outlaw S 54" 30 Briggs Cyclonic $5,899.00
Outlaw S 48" 26 Kawasaki FS $6,199.00
Outlaw S 54" 26 Kawasaki FS $6,499.00
Outlaw Series
Outlaw 54" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic $6,699.00
Outlaw 61" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic $6,999.00
Outlaw 54" 26 Kawasaki FS $6,999.00
Outlaw 61" 26 Kawasaki FS $7,299.00
Outlaw 54" 30 hp Kohler Command $7,199.00
Outlaw 61" 30 hp Kohler Command $7,499.00
Outlaw Extreme Series
Outlaw 54" 31 hp Kawasaki FX $7,699.00
Outlaw 61" 31 hp Kawasaki FX $8,199.00
Outlaw 72" 31 hp Kawasaki $8,699.00
Outlaw 61" 36 hp Vanguard $7,999.00
Outlaw 72" 36 hp Vanguard $8,499.00
Outlaw 54" 29 hp Kohler EFI $7,999.00
Outlaw 61" 29 hp Kohler EFI $8,499.00
Outlaw Xp
Outlaw 54" 31 hp Kawasaki FX $8,399.00
Outlaw 61" 31 hp Kawasaki FX $8,699.00
Outlaw 72" 31 hp Kawasaki FX $9,199.00
Outlaw 61" 36 hp Vanguard $8,399.00
Outlaw 72" 36 hp Vanguard $8,799.00
Diesel Series
Diesel 61" 28 hp Compact CAT Diesel LC $11,499.00
Diesel 61" 35 hp CAT Diesel LC $12,999.00
Diesel 72" 35 hp CAT Diesel LC $13,499.00

Any questions just hit me up, I love what I do folks if you haven't noticed...lol!!

crazyflyboy30
12-05-2012, 11:44 PM
I would Love to have a Outlaw 61" 30 hp Briggs Cyclonic $6,999.00 it looks like it would be a real Bad Boy for the money.

retrodog
12-06-2012, 08:20 AM
TOne of my best sellers this year, we sold way more than expected. Its the best value in the market. Most people bought with the 2.9% for 60 and walked out with a nice mower around $135 a month... most of my customers did get the grammer seat upgrade it makes a huge difference for $350 bucks.
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Brules
12-06-2012, 05:58 PM
Nice.....hope they update the website soon.

retrodog
12-06-2012, 06:08 PM
whoops, mighta been jumping the gun....lol. Its funny with other brands I could lose my dealership for posting the actual selling prices, like its a secret what we are supposed to sell for. You can run ads but cant put the price just say "Call for price". When I am comparing mowers for someone shopping or for someone shopping me on other brands I have to physically call, and even then some say I must come in for price....lol. They are not ashamed of their prices I guess as a company...

NJDLLC
12-07-2012, 09:27 AM
whoops, mighta been jumping the gun....lol. Its funny with other brands I could lose my dealership for posting the actual selling prices, like its a secret what we are supposed to sell for. You can run ads but cant put the price just say "Call for price". When I am comparing mowers for someone shopping or for someone shopping me on other brands I have to physically call, and even then some say I must come in for price....lol. They are not ashamed of their prices I guess as a company...

Or it's that prices can be different based on geography and dealers in high cost areas dont want lower prices advertised than they can make money on...

retrodog
12-07-2012, 10:00 AM
There is no difference in high cost areas accept shipping into these areas. In the mower industry there is an average percentage markup across the board. From maine to california an equipment dealer averages same percentage. Some badboy dealers charge more that suggested retail and get it, thats their biz, but 90% thats the percentage they get anyways. Take a 31hp kawasaki super z hustler for example. 60" deck msrp is $13199. Who have you ever heard of pay that for a super? Nobody right? Average selling price is around 12% off that nationally. I price mine 12% off retail. There will be small difference between dealers if its aged, drawing interest after a year of sitting etc. If they had one basic price the public could see that posted everywhere and make better descisions that way i think. I cant put the price on any of my advertising because another dealer might be selling a hundred more. I cant put the msrp on anything cause its like a magical made up number that will never bring its price in the market so scare people off. Not picking on hustler, there are 60 brands that do this and the standard in the market, but the parts at their msrp are right in line and we all sell for that (or add to if we dont like markup).
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NJDLLC
12-07-2012, 10:15 AM
It makes sense, and its great that Bad Boy is transparent in that way. But you are forgetting local tax situations, shipping is a big deal depending on the size of the dealership, competition in the area, etc. Prices are easily discoverable by everyone in the game, so for larger companies its not worth the headache of having dealers complain when the consumers (us) are going to know the price anyway. I just don't see that as a sign that the company is any more trustworthy or makes a better product in any way.

JCLawn and more
12-07-2012, 10:24 AM
hey what do you think of the standers? i am thinking of getting a ferris evolution but i could be persuaded.

retrodog
12-07-2012, 11:06 AM
Other thing that makes me mad is volume discount. If a scag dealer sells 50 mowers a year they get a better pricing bracket. So if i picked up scag, my customer could drive an hour away to rockwall and save 5% on their machine. In my eyes as a dealer considering the product, why dont they just let rockwall take care of this entire region and give them a 10% discount to help with shipping. Stupidest decision ever. I am just glad i didnt like the demoes more than what i got cause i would be fussing the whole time...lol
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NJDLLC
12-07-2012, 11:11 AM
Other thing that makes me mad is volume discount. If a scag dealer sells 50 mowers a year they get a better pricing bracket. So if i picked up scag, my customer could drive an hour away to rockwall and save 5% on their machine. In my eyes as a dealer considering the product, why dont they just let rockwall take care of this entire region and give them a 10% discount to help with shipping. Stupidest decision ever. I am just glad i didnt like the demoes more than what i got cause i would be fussing the whole time...lol
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I have a few dealer friends and typically they are given a territory (per say). But volume discounts are always going to be in place, and they should be. If you don't want them, and would like all dealers to pay the same price, then what you are suggesting is similar to socialism.

retrodog
12-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Hey man, i lije the standers, definately heavier built than any ever.... only negative i see is if you have guys that are on the heavier the way the platform is you will get a bounce effect on the front actually changing the suctiin on the deck. Little different than say the great dane where the platform is in the wheel wells. Bb is easier to work on the motor that way though, and the 54" outlaw deck is a homerun... frame and deck is nuts on a stander. Some guys dont like the fact that the gas tank is behind the swing out door. I think it gives the unit a very clean look without any wires or cables anywhere. I like the power deck lift to it makes alot of sense on that kinda unit... on the great dane we have you have to use tools to lower the deck its a fixed position setup...weird...lol
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retrodog
12-07-2012, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=NJDLLC;4603340]I have a few dealer friends and typically they are given a territory (per say). But volume discounts are always going to be in place, and they should be. If you don't want them, and would like all dealers to pay the same price, then what you are suggesting is similar to socialism.[/QUOTE
I think its better for mom and pop and smaller dealers. Not fair that someone can drive 20 miles to another dealer just because they sell more and get it less. Not socialism, same price point, less confusion and more fair in retail. I am the largest badboy dealer, and i pay the same as the guy 30 miles for me that only sold 20 this year. Only thing i get different is savings on shipping as i buy by the truckload (21 mowers) and i only pay what it costs to get the truck here as opposed to per unit. My price isnt better than his, i just saved around $50 a mower in shipping, that was my perk.
I would feel like a jerk if someone drove from his area and bought a mower from me just cause i could price lower cause i bought more. Bad for me cause hes mad, bad for customer cause he wouldnt want to service my mower i sold, and bad for the company cause i am gonna run their other dealer out of biz when everyone starts buying from me just cause i dont hold my price and just make a little more as my benefit. If the product i was selling made me hold the price and not discount then it would be fair to everyone like tracker boats for instance. Just cause bass pro is the dealer too, tracker has a policy that all dealers cant go below the promo set price. I like that policy, helps dealers hold profit margin, they are happier taken care of issues, and no low balling happening running people out of biz like that happens to our lcos... if all lcos got together and agreed to a minumum it would be more pleasant bidding, and no cut throat crap and more profitability... i will be honest, mower markup is not very good, its waay tighter than it used to be. But a set fair mark up set across the board helps out. If i am competing with a dealer selling for less i would be forced to match and then jack parts, shop rate, everything else up to make up the difference thus being labeled a bad dealer cause im too high on labor and parts, but blow out mowers for nothing.... i wouldnt stay in business with kinda competition forced on me by the products i sell. I know dealers that sell mowers less than cost when floor is due to keep from paying interest. I would drive out of state to get that deal, then the mower i bought gets bad name when my local dealer laughs in my face when i need warranty done....
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NJDLLC
12-07-2012, 12:15 PM
I like competition. Helping the smaller guys to spite the larger guys who have done it better for longer, is a form of socialism. By giving the same discount to everyone, you are attracting dealers who dont want to work hard to build a business, only those that want the ultimate benefit for the least amount of work.

Further, if the smaller guy refuses to service a mower I (as a larger guy) sold, then he wont be in business for very long.

retrodog
12-07-2012, 02:11 PM
I like competition. Helping the smaller guys to spite the larger guys who have done it better for longer, is a form of socialism. By giving the same discount to everyone, you are attracting dealers who dont want to work hard to build a business, only those that want the ultimate benefit for the least amount of work.

Further, if the smaller guy refuses to service a mower I (as a larger guy) sold, then he wont be in business for very long.

Competition is different, this is not competition I am talking about. Imagine this ok... this is exactly how this works, but when mowers, equipment, cars, expensive things its on a much higher scale, and in "supported product industry". I am not talking about differing areas or regions, I am talking in the same 100 mile radius. Yes a dealer has territory, but no one can say you cant sell to an area, just give so many miles that another dealer can be opened up in. Most brands do this, but it hurts the industry heavily, and could be avoided completely. Volume dealer of soda, and volume car, equipment, mower dealer is different. The brand represented should do everything in its power to lead its end users to the dealer that is closest to them because end user will have to have service and parts done to that equipment. Main reason none allow selling on ebay and any non localized internet or advertising.
Ok they are saying opposite of that when just because dealer A in Dallas (duh a bigger market with more traffic) sells more than dealer B say in Greenville, they get an extra 5% off. Ok on a Turf Tiger you are talking $500 less. Ok now dealer B has to price mower at say $11500 to retain a minimun 15% markup whatever to stay in business, pay advertising, floor interest, employees upkeep whatever... Dealer A only marks up 8% due to volume sales and internet biz traffic, but due to the added 5% discount upfront makes his price $10300. Price is not actual, just did $10000 cost to be easier to work with, a TT actually is higher...lol. So for dealer B to match price it would actually cost him money to sell it... unless it was bid assist. Dealer A is actually hurting Scags Biz as a company by doing things like this. If I had Scag I would say our machines need to atleast bring minumum promo no matter the discount to be fair to dealer b's everywhere and they will take care of end user better... If I can be a huge volume dealer with holding my price point across the board, then everyone else could do it too if they gave the difference back in favors in the shop, labor costs, and parts pricing. Heck I was a pretty big dealer every year even my first one out of my house basically, still moved like 130 units averaging $7500 or so a unit, so most of the smaller volume guys have been doing biz way longer than me, I am going into my 6th season for 13.. Makes sense that most dealers mark parts over retail and charge people outrageous prices for repairs cause they are giving away the big stuff they have all their money tied up in... Most dealers I talk to only sell like 30 mowers or less a year from each brand, unless they have cheaper homeowner stuff...
If scag simply just averaged say a 2.5% discount to everyone, had a great base price, had some more interest here (only 3 people I know of own one here, and the golf course was negative on his, but hearing all the chatter on here for them made me want to introduce them here), and they would've blown me away doing the demoing here with them last year, they would've had a great dealer here to work with and push the product for them...

jrs.landscaping
12-07-2012, 05:32 PM
I have a mower dealer the next town over. I travel 20 miles to the dealer I do business with. Price is only part of the equation, the other part is how I'm treated. Price is a good thing, but I'll pay more for a mower knowing if anything happens they'll help me as best they can.

oldcrappymower
03-23-2013, 10:46 PM
What type of out the door price is would you think on the 42" MZ? Is it also true there isn't a way to mulch on this mower? That would be kind of a deal breaker I think.

Thanks.

oldcrappymower
03-23-2013, 11:06 PM
The other option I'm looking into is the hustler raptor, which I saw you posted about elsewhere on the site. Also a 42" model that seems similar in quality. Looks like it can use a mulching attachment though and it's about 20 miles away instead of the 30 or so that bb is from me.

Any thoughts about the raptor?

Thanks.

retrodog
03-23-2013, 11:07 PM
What type of out the door price is would you think on the 42" MZ? Is it also true there isn't a way to mulch on this mower? That would be kind of a deal breaker I think.

Thanks.
Hey man, 42" with 21hpa briggs is $2999, and the 22hp kawasaki is $3399. On the mulch, i recommend the acs system, not quite full mulch set up but close to it minus a little windrow. I will look at the new ones i got to see if mulch holes are drilled in it, but i know last year it wasnt offered.
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oldcrappymower
03-23-2013, 11:16 PM
I got the 3399, but what does that turn into by the time everything is included?

And how about that Raptor?

Thanks.

retrodog
03-23-2013, 11:21 PM
I got the 3399, but what does that turn into by the time everything is included?

And how about that Raptor?

Thanks.
only thing you add to it is your taxes. If you want acs or mulch kit they are $200, raptor is like $150.. no other charges unless you do 0% and the bank adds a fee then but its all financed into price..
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oldcrappymower
03-24-2013, 12:19 AM
Okay, sorry for the completely novice question here, but the raptor has a welded 'deck' meaning the cutting deck? But the frame is not welded? The mz has a welded deck and a welded frame? So box store is not welded and not welded, raptor is welded and not welded and bb is welded and welded? I don't know if that question makes sense. I hope so.

Thanks.

lawnsaspire
03-24-2013, 12:26 AM
How much does the stander run?

cyclesteel
03-24-2013, 10:43 AM
The transmission on the bb has cooling fans where the raptor doesnt.



I just check my Raptor and it has cooling fans mounted on the EZT's at least the 52" does

retrodog
03-24-2013, 11:30 AM
I just check my Raptor and it has cooling fans mounted on the EZT's at least the 52" does
My bad i have had several customers say that looking at them both, guess i just never looked real heavy at the tranny yet. Havent had much time since i got em in. I didnt notice the spindle difference till i got em to put on the shelf. The frame has bothered a few customers, i recommend stepping up to the sport, but also ask them whats gonna go wrong with the frame mowing their acre yard...
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oldcrappymower
03-24-2013, 11:35 AM
What am I looking at for the cost of a 42" sport with a non b&s engine?

retrodog
03-24-2013, 11:50 AM
Sport msrp is $3729 and the mulch kit is $119 with 42" w/ 15hp kawasaki. Dealers vary on the price, so u might save $100 or 2 depending on location. It is heavier duty than the raptor and more of an mz equal in build quality...
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oldcrappymower
03-24-2013, 12:46 PM
I guess that pushes me out of my budget. I guess I am probably in line for a raptor then, but I suppose I might have to check out an mz with a kawi just to make sure.

Thanks all!