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GMLC
12-18-2012, 09:49 PM
Looks like a high end homeowner mower. Lots of nice features. I wonder how it would hold up to commercial use?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HDMFy8Cv0&playnext=1&list=PLukwXYpA8c-KN1ugey-yL6acwO98yXsJm&feature=results_main

smallstripesnc
12-18-2012, 10:07 PM
It looks like a solid unit.
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lifetree
12-18-2012, 11:37 PM
I'd be willing to bet that it would hold up to commercial use !!

Ridin' Green
12-19-2012, 12:27 AM
That looks like a really nice mower. However, at 2:32 it shows the belt running from the crank to the trans and it is running underneath the deck just above the blade. Unless that was just added to show the belt's path for some reason which that wasn't really necessary at that point in the video, that belt is not going to last very well, and I can see it causing slippage in wet grass and possible trans problems down the road. Otherwise, a very nice looking machine that I would think should hold up pretty well to commercial use.

mowerknower
12-19-2012, 01:10 AM
That is the deck from the old blade runner that was introduced about 8-9 years ago. The deck was about the only thing good on the blade runner. This is definatly a homeowner machine. Not even a high end homeowner. I would put it in there with the HRR series Hondas.

lawnboy dan
12-19-2012, 08:58 AM
worthless one speed trans. and dont tell me its vara speed. cause its not

Exmarkboy13
12-19-2012, 07:28 PM
i deffinately wont hold up for me. Looks pretty flimsy if you ask me.

ed2hess
12-19-2012, 08:08 PM
When they put those plastic wheels on it I think cheap cheap. And the bag removal for dumping is kinda bad. And has anybody any luck with those variable speed drives? Not me the lawnboy we got is bad.

GMLC
12-19-2012, 08:19 PM
All my thoughts as well. Gravely doesnt claim its commercial quality but I know a lot, if not most here dont use commercial 21's. Gravely does offer the full commercial Pro 21 XD.
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StanWilhite
12-19-2012, 10:05 PM
That looks like a really nice mower. However, at 2:32 it shows the belt running from the crank to the trans and it is running underneath the deck just above the blade. Unless that was just added to show the belt's path for some reason which that wasn't really necessary at that point in the video, that belt is not going to last very well, and I can see it causing slippage in wet grass and possible trans problems down the road. Otherwise, a very nice looking machine that I would think should hold up pretty well to commercial use.

I was as surprised as you when I saw the belt underneath the deck with apparently no guard of any kind to protect it. It seems to me that wet grass could cause the belt to slip, and even worse, what would happen when you ran over (even small) sticks? Seems like that could cause the belt to be "thrown" on a regular basis.

I also read a post mentioning the plastic wheels, do you think they would last a reasonable time?

I know Gravely has been credited for listening to LCO's in the past, I wonder if they will now? Even though it's only "homeowner" quality, it would be interesting to find out what LCO's would tell Gravely to change about this mower.

Ridin' Green
12-19-2012, 10:12 PM
I'd say that Gravely def needs to do something with thaT belt if it indeed runs under the deck like that.:hammerhead:

I think the plastic wheels will hold up for quite a long time if made from good plastic(s). My old Jacobsen 19" trim and rough cut pusher is 42 years old and it has ran on the original plastic wheels for all but 5 or so years of that time. I swapped them out for steel wheels with bearings to make it even esier to push, but the originals are still in good shape. That old mower has covered more ground (and a lot of really rough ground at that) than probably about any mower on this site anywhere. Still going strong too.:)

GMLC
12-19-2012, 10:19 PM
My Ariens LM 21 classic has the drive belt under the deck but it has a shield that goes over it. I wonder if in this video it was just for show?

Im still a huge fan of my Honda HRC's hydro drive.
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Ridin' Green
12-19-2012, 10:22 PM
My Ariens LM 21 classic has the drive belt under the deck but it has a shield that goes over it. I wonder if in this video it was just for show?

Im still a huge fan of my Honda HRC's hydro drive.
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Surely there's a gaurd of some sort if that's where it runs. Sticks, leaves, grass etc., would ruin that belt in short order without one.

StanWilhite
12-19-2012, 10:25 PM
Surely there's a gaurd of some sort if that's where it runs. Sticks, leaves, grass etc., would ruin that belt in short order without one.

Seems that way to me too.

Well, I'm calling it a day....ya'll have a good one!
Stan

GMLC
12-19-2012, 10:32 PM
Surely there's a gaurd of some sort if that's where it runs. Sticks, leaves, grass etc., would ruin that belt in short order without one.

After watching the vid again that part looks computer animated. Its got to be just showing the under side without guards on.
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Ridin' Green
12-19-2012, 10:39 PM
After watching the vid again that part looks computer animated. Its got to be just showing the under side without guards on.
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Maybe you're right, but I paused it at the point where it shows the belt, and then blew up the pic. There are three holes in the center of the blade, one for mounting and two others. The top one is located right over the belt where it is at in the pic and it is dark behind the hole which indicates the balck belt is showing though. The bottom hole is located over the silver spindle housing and the silver is showing though the hole. If it were CGI or something similar, I don't believe they'd have gone to the trouble of blackening out the upper hole to simulate it being over the belt because it's doubtful many would nocite that.

GMLC
12-19-2012, 10:42 PM
Maybe you're right, but I paused it at the point where it shows the belt, and then blew up the pic. There are three holes in the center of the blade, one for mounting and two others. The top one is located right over the belt where it is at in the pic and it is dark behind the hole which indicates the balck belt is showing though. The bottom hole is located over the silver spindle housing and the silver is showing though the hole. If it were CGI or something similar, I don't believe they'd have gone to the trouble of blackening out the upper hole to simulate it being over the belt because it's doubtful many would nocite that.

Your probably right. Im on my iphone so the vid is small.
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Ridin' Green
12-19-2012, 10:44 PM
Well, as we both know, Gravely makes great equipment, so I have to believe that the belt is covered somehow when in use.

Gravely Commercial
12-20-2012, 01:28 PM
Well, as we both know, Gravely makes great equipment, so I have to believe that the belt is covered somehow when in use.

Did want to show you the deck with the belt cover in place:


http://www.lawnsite.com/picture.php?albumid=802&pictureid=6269

Ridin' Green
12-20-2012, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the picture. Are you planning a beefed up version of this mower for full time commercial use?

GMLC
12-20-2012, 02:17 PM
Any pics of the full commercial Pro-21 XD?

Thanks
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Gravely Commercial
12-20-2012, 03:48 PM
The Pro 21 XD is out here:

http://www.gravely.com/walk-behind-mowers/commercial-pro-21/Pages/default.aspx

And unfortunately we can't get into what's currently in development. Whenever we are able to talk about new/updated products though we'll certainly let you guys know.

kawasaki guy
12-20-2012, 08:07 PM
The pro one looks nice. I like the Kawasaki and the drive system engagement system looks better built than the resi one.

EVERYTHING LOOKS BETTER ON THE PRO MACHINE...

GMLC
12-21-2012, 07:50 AM
Got some prices from my dealer...

XD3-$369-$499(homeowner)

XD-21 Pro-$849(commercial)

Not bad in my opinion.

lawnboy dan
12-21-2012, 10:16 AM
another commercial mower with only ONE SPEED!-useless in real world mowing

GMLC
12-21-2012, 10:39 AM
another commercial mower with only ONE SPEED!-useless in real world mowing

Clearly states variable speed from 0-3.75 mph. I have to assume they are not lying...My LM21 classic is also variable speed and it works just fine, although I prefer my Honda HRC hydro drive.

BrunoT
12-28-2012, 02:29 AM
I've used some high end residential 21" toros for years w/o much trouble, but those were aluminium cast decks and pretty rugged drive systems. I have a commercial unit that is so much heavier it noticeably ruts in wet conditions. So I wouldn't rule out a nice residential mower, but Gravely isn't proven yet in that area like some other brands. I have a Gravely ZTR that is very rugged.

lawnboy dan
12-28-2012, 09:27 AM
the ariens pro and the classic do NOT share the same drive system! the classic has a disk and is varaible and the pro works by slipping the belt so its really one speed. yes they are lying when they say the pro is varaiable speed. there is a reason no one buys the pro. the drive system sucks