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zackvbra
12-23-2012, 01:55 PM
I know this isnt the right site, i should ask this in tree services.com or whatever, but i didnt feel like creating a new account over there just to ask this one question.

Any way, guy has 200 (foot and a half in diameter) pine stumps to be removed. They had been growing for close to 20 years, just cut back in 2010, so most of these stumps are good fat lighter.

I am going to rent a backhoe loader that is $1290 a week. He wants them dug up, so grinding isnt an option. and I own the stumps after they come out of the ground.

I know a guy with a couple dump trucks, and he is willing to haul these stumps off for me for free, since they are fat lighter and he can sell them to a wood products plant near me.

He doesnt want me to put in fill dirt, he will do that himself.

This job is going to take a little over two weeks, according to my calculations. 200 stumps@ 2 stumps up per hour = approx 100 hrs. The back hoe loader, based on a 40 hr work week is $32/ hr alone. I have to make $20 per hour and my operator is going to make $12.50 per hour.

so thats $65/ hr. i was thinking quoting this guy $6700. is this the right way to calculate my quote? This is going to be my biggest job yet, if he accepts my quote, and im just wondering if im on the right track.

Thanks,
Zack

Duekster
12-23-2012, 02:20 PM
Sounds very low to me.

Big Bad Bob
12-23-2012, 02:40 PM
Sounds very low to me.

First of all, you need to charge for the hauling, too. Also, you need more than $20.00 per hour for yourself. Are the utilities located. Just a few things to think about.

agrostis
12-23-2012, 02:46 PM
I think 2 stump's an hour is way too optimistic. I've seen stump's dug up with a backhoe and it is a giant mess. Do you realize what 200 big hole's is going to look like, if i coudn't grind those stump's i woudn't even consider it.

Duekster
12-23-2012, 05:31 PM
Sounds like you need a D 9 or 10 for this job.

alldayrj
12-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Pine stumps are easy but i would get the biggest excavator you could fit and afford.
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LandFakers
12-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Just because you are getting it hauled away for free doesnt mean that he doesnt have to pay. I would also bump up your hourly rate as others have mentioned. Good Luck

KrayzKajun
12-23-2012, 06:19 PM
I think 2 stump's an hour is way too optimistic. I've seen stump's dug up with a backhoe and it is a giant mess. Do you realize what 200 big hole's is going to look like, if i coudn't grind those stump's i woudn't even consider it.

Bingo. I would skip the backhoe idea, wheeled machines and stump holes dont mesh too well. I would factor in a price for the hauling, is there access to the whole property for the dump trucks to maneuver around, or will you be stockpiling the stumps then loading trucks at the end? I would either use a dozer of a fairly large excavator with thumb.
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CL&T
12-23-2012, 06:21 PM
Don't think I would touch it for less than $100/stump.

jrs.landscaping
12-23-2012, 08:03 PM
Bingo. I would skip the backhoe idea, wheeled machines and stump holes dont mesh too well. I would factor in a price for the hauling, is there access to the whole property for the dump trucks to maneuver around, or will you be stockpiling the stumps then loading trucks at the end? I would either use a dozer of a fairly large excavator with thumb.
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Going rate for a 312 sized machine is $120 per hour. A good operator should be able to grub those stumps out in 40-50 hrs depending on how large the lot is and how much walking the machine has to do to stockpile the stumps for loading. Rent an excavator, trust me, backhoes are useless at popping that many stumps vs. an excavator.

gene gls
12-24-2012, 10:05 PM
I know this isnt the right site, i should ask this in tree services.com or whatever, but i didnt feel like creating a new account over there just to ask this one question.

Any way, guy has 200 (foot and a half in diameter) pine stumps to be removed. They had been growing for close to 20 years, just cut back in 2010, so most of these stumps are good fat lighter.

I am going to rent a backhoe loader that is $1290 a week. He wants them dug up, so grinding isnt an option. and I own the stumps after they come out of the ground.

I know a guy with a couple dump trucks, and he is willing to haul these stumps off for me for free, since they are fat lighter and he can sell them to a wood products plant near me.

He doesnt want me to put in fill dirt, he will do that himself.

This job is going to take a little over two weeks, according to my calculations. 200 stumps@ 2 stumps up per hour = approx 100 hrs. The back hoe loader, based on a 40 hr work week is $32/ hr alone. I have to make $20 per hour and my operator is going to make $12.50 per hour.

so thats $65/ hr. i was thinking quoting this guy $6700. is this the right way to calculate my quote? This is going to be my biggest job yet, if he accepts my quote, and im just wondering if im on the right track.

Thanks,
Zack

Post this in the heavy equ. forum for the guys that do this stuff every day. I would sub contract with a friend that has a large excavator. I would expect to remove 4 an hour. 18" dia pine tree is not a very big tree and most likely has shallow root system.

zackvbra
12-26-2012, 01:00 AM
thanks guys, but he found someone that owns an excavator that will do it for $15 an hour, a price I cannot even begin to compete with. don't know how he'll make any money, but not my problem. oh well...

alldayrj
12-26-2012, 02:33 AM
Let him get the practice, he definitely needs it. However unless the guy is starting tomorrow, give him a price for when the guy doesnt show.
I gave a price of 500 when a customer found someone for 200. He called me after 2 weeks and had me do it after 3 no shows.
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Duekster
12-26-2012, 08:44 AM
Wow, 15 an hour including equipment

What is this world coming to?

Smallaxe
12-26-2012, 11:10 AM
I watched one guy take after a bunch of stumps after a storm went through with a little backhoe that he thought would do the job... big mistake... he looked like a grasshopper out there bouncing up and down trying to rip up the roots... even doing one root at a time it was a pathertic site...

Be absolutely sure that the backhoe is the largest around and the operator has a brain... I can't imagine that the guy I saw did anything but loose money and probably took 10 years off the life of the machine... :)

Smallaxe
12-26-2012, 11:19 AM
thanks guys, but he found someone that owns an excavator that will do it for $15 an hour, a price I cannot even begin to compete with. don't know how he'll make any money, but not my problem. oh well...

A real machine won't even be loaded onto a trailer for under $100.00... the posts above are correct in indicating this, 15/hr.,,, will never be a reality so expect to have a solution when the problems become clear to the client... :)

1idejim
12-26-2012, 11:53 AM
A real machine won't even be loaded onto a trailer for under $100.00... the posts above are correct in indicating this, 15/hr.,,, will never be a reality so expect to have a solution when the problems become clear to the client... :)

20-25 ton machine with thumb and skeleton bucket.

Expect to pay lowboy both ways.

Charge for trucking, nothings free.
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CL&T
12-26-2012, 12:07 PM
I know a guy with a couple dump trucks, and he is willing to haul these stumps off for me for free, since they are fat lighter and he can sell them to a wood products plant near me.

Is he going to haul them away too for that $15/hr? :laugh:

agrostis
12-26-2012, 12:34 PM
I'll bet that this is the kind of "excavator" you get for $15 a hour.

southern79
12-26-2012, 03:42 PM
Fuel cost alone will be more than $15.00 hr
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Smallaxe
12-27-2012, 09:02 AM
That's a pretty shiny John Deere there, Agrostis,,, I'd charge at least $17.00/hr. for running that thing... :)

dstifel
12-28-2012, 03:01 PM
Did a job similar to this not quite as many stumps but larger wanted me to pile and then burn them ,lives on an acreage and consisted of no metal trash cans or duct work. Some of you , Darryl, will get that. Anyway charged 125$ an hour plus trucking to get the machine out there. Then charged 50 an hour to burn once machine was offsite. Made out pretty well and had some fun too good February project for me.