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adam.neusbaum
12-29-2012, 10:31 AM
Occasionally while making deliveries to wealthy clients I consider what it takes to enjoy a lifestyle of that nature. But would I be happier than I am now? If I were wealthy I wouldn't fit in a deed restricted community because I can be a little sloppy sometimes. Open acreage would definitely be in my best interest.
For some, winning the lottery is their possible big-break whereas my aspiration has been toward a unique product or service that makes it attainable. As I creep toward 34 I can't help but clearly see reality for what it is. On one hand I'm afraid of burning away time with friends and family to achieve the unachievable which may not bring satisfaction of life anyway yet if I'm having to work why not get all I can get while doing something enjoyable. I'm pretty happy with my little variety pack of services(Aeration, Topdressing, Compost & Pinestraw delivery). Even if I were wealthy I think I would still have an interest in the challenge of a small business but maybe not.
Viewing a documentary on the wealthy may assist with my priority check or some good feedback from all you rich folks here.
Best regards.
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Woody82986
12-29-2012, 11:03 AM
I think happiness is a state of mind. It's what you make "happiness" look like. For some people, I'm sure money does equal happiness. I know I am less stressed when I have money in the bank to solve problems that I can't solve myself. I don't think winning $100 million dollars in the lottery would necessarily make me a lot happier, but I bet it helps! And if I end up earning that $100 million in one way or another, I bet it would change the perspective again. Money brings on it's own stresses though. More money means more to manage. More to protect.

sjessen
12-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Contentment is the greatest form of wealth. People whose goal is to be rich never have quite enough. When I was your age I wanted to be rich in the worst way. For those of us who are middle aged and older ones health is worth more than all of the money there is.

My desire is in all things and at all times to be content.

adam.neusbaum
12-29-2012, 04:40 PM
As a peasant, do something nice & the gratitude is overwhelming.
As a wealthy person, do something nice & more is to be expected.
Look at him with his millions & only gave me $1,000. I know he's got a whole lot more than that!
This attitude probably surfaces often.
I really enjoyed lending $25 on KIVA yesterday to a guy in India to help with his small business.
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Kelly's Landscaping
12-29-2012, 04:53 PM
40-50 mill power ball win would make me happier! Id still own and run a landscaping company but debt free my property would be expanded from 4 acres to about 20 as I buy up my neighbors. Id knock my house down and make a one that fits my tastes and personality. Oh and there's a 314 acre island for sale in Maine that would be mine that day. http://www.pioneerloghomesofbc.com/index.htm would be getting a call and Id have me a killer vacation home.

Bunton Guy
12-29-2012, 10:30 PM
Im not sure if this post is heading the direction your wanting or not? But I will throw my 2 cents in...

For my very wealthy clients that I service I have noticed that it seems they are working long hours every day to get where they are. The stress levels match their pay scale.
Not to many have stress free lives & make the kind of money that put them in the position they are in. I do have a few clients that make 200-300K a year working 10-15 hours a week but they to me to not meet what I consider wealthy. I service one of Wells Fargo's senior vice presidents homes...I consider him one of my wealthiest.

If I won a huge jackpot I would more then likely support my addiction for anything with a diesel engine. I would buy multiples of each thing and stocking the same amount of parts a normal parts warehouse would have along with a full time mechanic and fabrication on staff to fix everything I break. A major pet peve for me is having the money for something but still no matter how much money you have you can't get whatever it is fast enough. I can't stand when im buying something and it has to be shipped from 2K miles away or even built yet. When I buy it I want to take it home with me NOW lol.

Weekend cut easymoney
12-30-2012, 01:36 AM
I work and enjoy what i do, the satisfaction and accomplishmnet. Being wealthy would allow the CHOICE of what to do each day and allow for more time spent with family and friends.
Not having the stress of bills or necessity to produce .

Being able to provide a better education or allow for more opportunities for my kids and a secure retirement. Being able to help my friends and family financially, giving more time to charity .....certainly woukd all make me happier.

Wealth affords choice....opportunities...freedom from the treadmill

cpllawncare
12-30-2012, 10:17 PM
I recently read a study about wealth vs happiness, it concluded that the 100K mark brings the most satisfaction. I would tend to agree, mainly because I've been there, at 100K'year you can pretty much do what you want, it's enough that you can live reasonably and afford most things the avg person wants without the stress that comes once you start trying to make millions. My goal is to get back to that mark.

bj1bmx
12-30-2012, 10:37 PM
many of these "wealthy" people are in debt over their eyeballs. the upper middle class types are typically the worst culprits of this. they live to impress neighbors, friends, etc. and often end up working way too much to support a meaningless life of materialism.

not sure which neighborhoods you are referring to but i would not strive to be like the people i just mentioned. if you are driving around huge estates, the likelihood is that many of these people created successful businesses, worked their butts off and are now enjoying the fruits of their labor, or inherited money.

i doubt many people are ever really completely happy from a monetary perspective. strive to earn enough money to easy support whatever lifestyle you have grown accustomed to. i agree with cpllawncare that life gets much easier around the 100k mark if your expenses are in check. (i read that number was closer to 75k but perhaps it has risen..)

life and happiness are relative to your expectations. if you like rancher homes, ford mustangs, diesel motors, etc. you will probably be a pretty content person earning 100k a year.

if you like exotic sports cars, summers in Italy, supermodel girlfriends, etc. you likely need much much more.

money in itself never buys happiness; its the things you do with the money, the stress level that comes with it (or without it), the challenge of earning it.

cpllawncare
12-30-2012, 11:00 PM
BMX, the thing about the 100K mark (expenses in check of course) is you can most likely save for things like a ferrari if that's what you want, If I was still at the 100K mark I would be driving a paid for 2013 Shelby GT 500 (currently the fastest production car in the world) just knowing it was paid for would make me happy. Just having the freedom to do and go as I please is enough happiness for me for now though.

adam.neusbaum
12-30-2012, 11:12 PM
Uniquely enough I just enjoyed this conversation with my father. He owns nothing more than a bag of clothes, a tent with sleeping bag, handgun, skinning knife all packed on his 250cc Honda Reflex Scooter. Three years ago he said to hell with work, homeownership which requires taxes & maintenance. He sold everything and mailed all his photo-albums & keepsakes to me for safe-keeping. He then headed out on the open road to see the country for the very first time in his life & by the way it sounds he's never been happier.
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cpllawncare
12-30-2012, 11:47 PM
^^^ Not sure I wanna go that far, but I'm sure he figures he can always go back to the other life if he chooses to, we always talk about choices on here and I think as long as you have the choice to do what you want, that's really what makes most people happy.

adam.neusbaum
12-30-2012, 11:56 PM
No doubt, I want a place to call home. He's been thinking back about his earlier working years from age 25-50 where he was going 6 days a week with 10-12 hour days. But really, what was it good for? Was his question to another camper. The worst thing about it all is how it takes nearly a lifetime to figure out what's truly satisfying.
His final analysis is that if you can get by with less which may mean not having to work so much then you're better off.
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cpllawncare
12-31-2012, 12:01 AM
if you can get by with less which may mean not having to work so much then you're better off.

Pretty much what I came up with, but I seem to be creeping back to my old ways of working more and more ARGH!!!!!

Duekster
12-31-2012, 12:07 AM
I do agree that happiness is a state of mind but money does not hurt either. There are just somethings I will not do to get it. Hard work is one thing I will do but it better be a good sum of money :)

adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 12:09 AM
Laying in bed the other night I thought about the Springtime calls that will come in for topdressing & I actually pictured myself telling the customer "Oh, I'm sorry but we don't offer that service any longer". Is that really possible I wondered. After working so hard at building & perfecting a service in a market I have cornered would I for the sake of peace be willing to let it all go? After rehearsing the notion with dad tonight I'm slowly becoming more convinced that it's a burden I might be happy to live without.
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adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 12:20 AM
$18,300 in the bank & $1120/month from social security & that's it after lots of hard work & supporting 3 boys. But he's living in the moment. Goes to a local diner for breakfast a couple times a week then enjoys reading at the library thereafter. He's free as a bird...
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Duekster
12-31-2012, 12:21 AM
Laying in bed the other night I thought about the Springtime calls that will come in for topdressing & I actually pictured myself telling the customer "Oh, I'm sorry but we don't offer that service any longer". Is that really possible I wondered. After working so hard at building & perfecting a service in a market I have cornered would I for the sake of peace be willing to let it all go? After rehearsing the notion with dad tonight I'm slowly becoming more convinced that it's a burden I might be happy to live without.
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Why is this? Do you have employees? Are you not charging enough.

adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 12:48 AM
100° heat with 90% humidity after working 6 days straight at my full-time job (indoors nonetheless) then managing it all into my 3 days off before going back for another solid 6. Here's my scoop on topdressing: I pay $19/yard for compost. I charge $55/yard spread. An average job requires 6 cubic yards which takes 70 minutes to get loaded & drive to the first house. Then about 90 minutes to complete. (Salute customer, unhook trailer from dumptruck, unload Spreader, set-up truck with tarp & start filling machine, spread/fill/spread/fill repeat, blow out all sprinkler heads, edging, driveway, roadway, rake out any thick spots, receive payment, reverse all original steps). Unless i'm using a second dumptruck I may need to go reload since the Isuzu only holds 10 yards safely. Then 1 & 3/4 hours to reload & come back. Labor can be killer cause I need all hands on deck since I still have to squeeze in the scheduled compost deliveries & aeration over the next 48 hours besides addressing any new calls that may come in. Can I squeeze them in or schedule them out nearly 10 days?
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Duekster
12-31-2012, 12:55 AM
100° heat with 90% humidity after working 6 days straight at my full-time job (indoors nonetheless) then managing it all into my 3 days off before going back for another solid 6. Here's my scoop on topdressing: I pay $19/yard for compost. I charge $55/yard spread. An average job requires 6 cubic yards which takes 70 minutes to get loaded & drive to the first house. Then about 90 minutes to complete. (Salute customer, unhook trailer from dumptruck, unload Spreader, set-up truck with tarp & start filling machine, spread/fill/spread/fill repeat, blow out all sprinkler heads, edging, driveway, roadway, rake out any thick spots, receive payment, reverse all original steps). Unless i'm using a second dumptruck I may need to go reload since the Isuzu only holds 10 yards safely. Then 1 & 3/4 hours to reload & come back. Labor can be killer cause I need all hands on deck since I still have to squeeze in the scheduled compost deliveries & aeration over the next 48 hours besides addressing any topdressing estimates that may come up.
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You charge $55 a yard to spread plus mulch or including mulch?

So you are not full time landscape? Do you do other services part time also?

adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 12:59 AM
$55 includes material & spreading. $330 invoice on 6 cubic yards. I added aeration last July & Pinestraw delivery or install in October.
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adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 01:05 AM
You charge $55 a yard to spread plus mulch or including mulch?

So you are not full time landscape? Do you do other services part time also?

I've been full-time with a furniture store for 9 years & started cranking this up 3 years back when I found out that I was going to be a father for the first time & wanted my wife to be able to leave her full-time job for good to stay home with him.
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Duekster
12-31-2012, 01:09 AM
$55 includes material & spreading. $330 invoice on 6 cubic yards. I added aeration last July & Pinestraw delivery or install in October.
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mmm, sounds like you are billing enough but it could be a little higher but not much. You are at a cross roads of getting in or out it seems.

Take the plunge into full time landscaping.

adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 01:24 AM
mmm, sounds like you are billing enough but it could be a little higher but not much. You are at a cross roads of getting in or out it seems.

Take the plunge into full time landscaping.

Funny you say that-
Last July they let me go but on excellent terms & I was so nervously excited to be free from being bound up to one place. So after that things are going along ok & we're doing fine & instead of hiring too much im doing most of the work myself since I have all week but every week was full. It was extremely rare if I didn't have a full day booked Mon-Fri & week after week too. But then one morning in October I had 2 calls back to back confirming their a.m. service & I was so mad at myself for not being more organized. That's when I mumbled "I wish I were back at the store so I didn't have this problem". You see I was super organized while working there full-time 'cause I had 6 days to get it all straight but when things are more On-the-Fly, occasionally a jotted note gets overlooked. Uniquely enough that very afternoon the store manager calls to ask if I'd be interested in a different position.
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adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 01:34 AM
So I agreed to come by & discuss it in a few days. My nerves were going crazy now. Do I want to lose this new-found freedom? What's the hours going to be like? What kind of pay are they thinking? Really, me, they are asking me, really? Man, I didn't know what to think, do I, don't I?
I had been thinking of going to work for Publix over the Winter anyway so what an opportunity this would be.
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adam.neusbaum
12-31-2012, 01:43 AM
Here I was nervous about leaving the full-time job in the first place to do my own gig & now I'm equally as nervous about leaving my gig & going back to punching the clock again.
During the interview they mentioned $17.90/hour Wed-Sunday which would leave me every Monday & Tuesday to schedule my work.
Needless to say I started 11/2/12 & things are ok so far. Of course aeration & compost services dropped off about then whereas Pinestraw exploded but thankfully so far things are peaceful even if Mon & Tues are extremely long days.
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Duekster
12-31-2012, 02:33 AM
Here I was nervous about leaving the full-time job in the first place to do my own gig & now I'm equally as nervous about leaving my gig & going back to punching the clock again.
During the interview they mentioned $17.90/hour Wed-Sunday which would leave me every Monday & Tuesday to schedule my work.
Needless to say I started 11/2/12 & things are ok so far. Of course aeration & compost services dropped off about then whereas Pinestraw exploded but thankfully so far things are peaceful even if Mon & Tues are extremely long days.
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Replacing both incomes will be hard with one and impossible with the other.