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McNeal Lawn
01-31-2003, 09:48 AM
A long time customer has built a new gas station, the site is ready for sodding, he has ask me to submit a bid to provide and install the sod. The site will require minor site preps for sodding which I have arranaged to be sub contracted out. There are numerous beds to work around, but the majority of the area to be sodded is fairly open. I have caculated that 1700 sq yds of sod will be required. This would be the largest job I have undertaken, I certainly don't want to come up short on my bid.
I am uncertain of my estimate of manhours required to install the sod, am I under estimating these manhours of 100? Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks
Site preps $2600 Sod costs $3310 Labor $3100
total bid $9100.

devildog
01-31-2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by McNeal Lawn
...... site will require minor site prep for sodding which I have arranaged to be sub contracted out......Site prep $2600

Thats not minor.........?

PAPS
01-31-2003, 12:36 PM
1700 sq yard is about 15,000 sq. ft

$2600.00 is NOT minor site preps first off.

My Estimate:

Sod cost (15500 sq. ft. incl waste + mark-up) = $3300.00
Labor (2days @ 3men or 48 man hrs) = $2160.00
Site Preps: unknown $$$

TOTAL : about $5500.00 + site preps.

devildog
01-31-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by McNeal Lawn
....... I have caculated that 1700 sq yds of sod will be required...... Site preps $2600 Sod costs $3310 Labor $3100
total bid $9100.


SQUARE YARDS.....!

devildog
01-31-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by PAPS
Firstly... $2600 is NOT minor site preps.
Second..... your paying $3300.00 for 1700 sq. of sod... for that same 1700 sq. It would cost me about $340.00.!!!! Find a new sod distributor, because you are gettin robbed. It would take my crews 3.0 hrs to install 1700 sq. for that job which you have estimate at 100!!!!. $9100.00 I would laugh in your face and tell you to take a walk if I was the GC.

My estimate would be about $1000.00 + site preps.


I had to read it twice......

dougaustreim
01-31-2003, 01:40 PM
What kind of sod can you buy for .20 sq yard. It would seem to me that the sod price is the only one that might even be close.

There is obviously a difference of opinion as to what minor site prep is. I would think that for an area of 1700 square yards, paying over $2000. 00 would leave a site ready to lay with nor further prep. Our crew could easily lay 1700 yards of sod in less than 25 man hours, assuming the palletts are unloaded reasonably close to the areas to be sodded.

There is definately things in several of the previous posts that don't add up

Doug
Austreim Landscaping

dan deutekom
01-31-2003, 02:21 PM
Doug I am with you on the time to lay that sod. I usually figure about 80 yards per man per hour and that includes "minor site prep" (raking out minor imperfections). Don't know the price of sod in your area but the supplier does. Site prep sounds high to me for minor work but everybodies idea of minor is different.

Turfdude
01-31-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by PAPS
1700 sq yard is about 15,000 sq. ft

$2600.00 is NOT minor site preps first off.

My Estimate:

Sod cost (15500 sq. ft. incl waste + mark-up) = $3300.00
Labor (2days @ 3men or 48 man hrs) = $2160.00
Site Preps: unknown $$$

TOTAL : about $5500.00 + site preps.

I am on the money w/ Bryan. 15,500 @.35/sqft installed =$5425.00
Site prep should be 1 day w/ man on skid steer & poss. 1 laborer 1/2 day (add $550.00) Bid price $6000.00 even
Add more only if there are disposal fees and travel time for dump.

As far as time 2 men 1.5 days max for sod installation if pallets are spotted properly.

Bob

McNeal Lawn
01-31-2003, 07:53 PM
Thanks for everyone's inputs, your comments are very helpful. Maybe my wording of "minor site preps" was decieving, regardless of that, the $2600 for site preps prior to sodding is what the sub contractor quoted, his preps will include fine grading, the sod will be fescue, which was the only price I was close on, I will use your manhour estimates to install 1700 square yards as a guide to fine tune my bid. Thanks again.

Mike Bradbury
02-01-2003, 01:23 AM
What is he going to do exactly? I charge $400 a day for my tractor/time for finishing grading, surface prepped, pulverized. Can you spend more than a day on 1/2 acre?

devildog
02-01-2003, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by Mike Bradbury
What is he going to do exactly? I charge $400 a day for my tractor/time for finishing grading, surface prepped, pulverized. Can you spend more than a day on 1/2 acre?

My point also, till this got into sf/sy. The quote for 2600. for site prep is way too high. But, without seeing the site.........?

Anyway to get that high, it would have to be one of the worst construction sites ever seen, would need a 30 yard dumpster for construction debis, would need a 15 yard for landscape debris and 40 maybe 60 yards of topsoil for prep.

McNeal, what is the sub going to do for 2600? Your sod/labor portion of the quote is in line......with regards, devildog

McNeal Lawn
02-01-2003, 08:19 AM
From all of the comments so far, it appears I should be getting a few more prices from other subs to prep area to be sodded. That I will do today. As I see it, the site is fairly clean of debris, there is approx. 7000 square feet of existing weeds/grass to be removed, 5 yards of topsoil required to level area around sign bed, pulverize remaining 8000 square feet, fine raking sod areas. With that additional information, is that sub still way out of line with his price? Once again, thanks.

devildog
02-01-2003, 08:26 AM
IMO, yes... unless he is doing all this with rake/shovel & wheelbarrows......IMO, with regards, devildog

Lanelle
02-01-2003, 04:29 PM
The other point about sub work: Are you marking up his price? If not, why not? You should be making some money on his work.

BRL
02-01-2003, 06:33 PM
Hmmm.... Are you doing this job soon? I could use a nice mid winter vacation. Maybe I'll head to Virginia Beach. While I'm there I could go to a local rental place to rent the equipment I need & do that prep work for you. I'll charge you $1,500.00 and I could pay for my travel expenses. Let me know. ;)

wojo23323
02-01-2003, 09:55 PM
Couldn't you do the site prep yourself? Even if you aren't experienced doing it, you could rent the equipment and do it for less. Where are you buying the sod from? I usually get mine from Turf and Garden.

McNeal Lawn
02-02-2003, 08:23 AM
WOJO, Turf & Garden would be the supplier of sod, renting equipment and doing the prep work myself is an idea that I haven't thought much of, but something to consider deeper.
Lanelle the sub's price does have a mark up. BRL I will keep you in mind. Everyone's comments have been constructive, while providing thier knowledge and thoughts on this project has
soildified my feeling that this is a great website. Thanks again.